On forgiveness, the Amish, and justice

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On forgiveness, the Amish, and justice

Postby chiggerbit » Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:57 pm

Some insights on forgiveness from The Left Coaster. It really is interesting how the far right has worked to fuel hatred for the last twenty or thirty years, seeming to draw energey from that emotion. An excellent read. The EZboard transition makes the article confusing, I see. Link is best.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/008945.php">www.theleftcoaster.com/ar...008945.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Forgiveness versus Hate<br><br>by soccerdad <br><br>For me the only ray of light to emerge from the travesty of the school shooting in Pennsylvania last week was the reaction of the Amish people. It was captured nicely in this article originating from the Christian Science Monitor. <br><br>Their faith in the power of forgiveness led them to invite the widow of the non-Amish killer, Charles Carl Roberts IV, to the funeral for four of the slain girls. One Amish woman told a reporter, "It's our Christian love to show to her we have not any grudges against her." <br>This isn't surprising. It is common for the Amish to invite car drivers who have killed one of their community members to the funeral. Such a compassionate response reveals a belief that each individual is responsible to counter violence by expressing comfort - a sort of prayer in action.<br><br>After Monday's killings, the grandfather of one of the slain girls went to the home of Roberts's father, consoling and hugging him, pouring forth a love and innocence of the kind remembered of the girls in the school. "He extended the hope of forgiveness that we all need these days," said a Roberts family spokesman, the Rev. Dwight Lefever of Living Faith Church of God. "God met us in that kitchen."<br><br><br>Here's a crucial point<br><br><br>Like everyone, the Amish also seek justice for a crime, even as they struggle to forgive. Even so, as Abraham Lincoln said, "I have always found that mercy bears richer fruits than strict justice."<br><br>And what is one of the benefits of such thinking?<br><br>Such qualities are a corrective to the tendency to see evil as a real possibility and fear of it as necessary.<br>snip<br>While Roberts is now gone, the Amish example of forgiveness is a reminder that real safety lies less in acting out of fear to prevent violence and more on qualities such as forgiveness that better connect people. Such compassion reduces fears and reaches those prone to violence. <br><br><br>Which brings us to the response to these events by conservative pundit Jeff Jacoby titled Undeserved forgiveness<br><br>How do civilized human beings react to such an atrocity? With horror? Anger? Hatred?<br><br>Not the Amish.<br><br><br>So the Amish are criticized for not exhibiting rage and hatred. Mr. Jacoby clearly demosnstrates his lack of understanding when he writes:<br><br>To voluntarily forgive those who have hurt you is beautiful and praiseworthy. That is what Jesus did on the cross, what Christians do when they say the Lord's Prayer, what observant Jews do when they recite the bedtime Kriat Sh'ma. But to forgive those who have hurt -- who have murdered -- someone else? I cannot see how the world is made a better place by assuring someone who would do terrible things to others that he will be readily forgiven afterward, even if he shows no remorse.<br><br>So clearly Mr. Jacoby prefers hate and rage and makes the case that others should not forgive. One shouldn't be too surprised since it seems to be a staple of the far right who see their view as the only view and use the hate of others to advanced thier political agendas.<br>But Mr. Jacoby, the far right, and others insistent on elevating their rage, anger, and self-rightousness to such a status that any Christian act of forgiveness is seen as an assault on their right to such rage and an infringement of their victimhood. <br><br>But the essential point they don't understand, but the Amish do, is that forgiveness is not the same as justice. One can forgive the acts of the perpetrator, yet insist that he recieve the appropriate punishment as specified by the law. There is no contradiction. One is still insisting on accountability. I think that the act of forgiveness is less about the perpetrator and more about oneself. It does not necessarily reduce the pain of the personal loss that is involved, but it acts a first step in the continuation of one's life. Importantly, it helps one maintain a more positive view of life. It also implicitly sees everyone as part of the same humanity.<br><br>Mr Jacoby's view would have us reveling in our hatred, never happy with the amount of punishement meted out, seeing "those people" as useless, evil beings who must be shunned and isolated forever from "us". There is no room for rehabilitation or redemption in his view. He and the rest of the "compassionate conservatives" see humanity as intrinsically evil. Such a nihilist view leads to never ending wars, racism, classism, and authoritarian governments. No wonder Mr. Jacoby is so offended by the Amish. They challange his dismal view of the world. <br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 10/8/06 2:59 pm<br></i>
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Re: On forgiveness, the Amish, and justice

Postby yesferatu » Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:29 pm

Jacoby was raised on Disney films, like most amerikans. <br>Punitive revenge, death cult, and then add amerikan jezuz to the mix. The blood thirst is palpable in this society and EVERYONE is ALWAYS looking for the next news article in which, as the emperor encouraged Luke Skywalker, to "feeeeeeel the hatred. Yesssssss."<br>That is what amerika is about. Always. <br>That and penises.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2224" target="top">churchbot!</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=yesferatu@rigorousintuition>yesferatu</A> at: 10/8/06 7:35 pm<br></i>
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Re: On forgiveness, the Amish, and justice

Postby medicis » Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:44 pm

I have always very highly regarded the Amish, the Society of Friends, for their efforts to follow the teachings of Christ (not the bs the right wing fundies hurl). As a Unitarian, I try to follow the principles of Christ, Buddha etc., But.... I am personally having a hard time not feeling violent and murderous thoughts towards those who have orchestrated and carried out the hideous deaths of so many Americans and many, many more innocent mothers, children and fathers in Iraq, Afghanistan and now... are contemplating even more deaths in Iran ..... all for their dreams of global conquest and control of energy. If it were in my power to magically disappear all of the perpetrators of this hideousness - I know what I would choose. They are about equal to the scum ring in a toilet bowl as far as I can tell. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: On forgiveness, the Amish, and justice

Postby erosoplier » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:44 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>feeeeeeel the hatred. Yesssssss<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This sums up the media mind control strategy in one. Or one of the most utilised versions anyway. The general strategy is "feeeeeeel the [insert strong emotion here]. Yesssssss." Exclamation points optional.<br><br><br><br>And medicis, the Amish have an advantage over you (and I) in their specific situation - the injustice in their case has been recognised by all, and they're not having to live each day knowing that the perpetrators still walk free.<br><br>Not to belittle their response in any way - it is admirable. <p></p><i></i>
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More Amish weirdness

Postby Col Quisp » Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:08 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/26691">local.lancasteronline.com/4/26691</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Roberts to Amish: You'll pay for my girl<br>Extent of killer’s fury, victims’ bravery revealed by Amish, police.<br><br>By Janet Kelley And Cindy Stauffer<br>Lancaster New Era<br><br>Published: Oct 12, 2006 10:56 AM EST<br><br>LANCASTER COUNTY, PA - They stood strong and defiant until the end. The older Amish girls bravely supporting and encouraging one another in the face of an irrational, angry gunman.<br><br>Members of the Amish community believe it was the presence of a higher power inside the Bart Township schoolroom — the same power Americans relied upon for courage on Sept. 11 — that gave these girls strength in that horrible hour.<br><br>...<br><br>Charles Carl Roberts IV, after barricading the doors and dismissing all but the 10 Amish girls, pointed his gun at the children.<br><br>“I’m going to make you pay for my daughter,’’ state police said Roberts told them.<br><br>Police believe Roberts intended to sexually assault the girls, based on lubricating jelly they found in his belongings that morning, but never got the chance.<br><br>After dismissing the boys and adults and nailing boards across the doors, Roberts ordered the girls to lay down and bound them together.<br><br>At one point, an Amish man said he learned, Roberts ordered the girls to do something and the older girls told the younger ones in Pennsylvania Dutch: “Duh ’s net! Duh ’s net!” (“Don’t do it! Don’t do it!”)<br><br>There was fear in the schoolhouse, but also a protectiveness, with the older girls looking out for the little ones, said the Amish man, who asked not to be named.<br><br>But there was something else going on in the schoolhouse that day, too, he said.<br><br>“The same fate, the same higher power, was at that site that was at Flight 93,” the Amish man said, referring to the plane that went down in Shanksville on Sept. 11. “That same power was at Columbine, too.”<br><br>The deep sorrow felt by the Amish community after last week’s horrific tragedy has connected them to the events of a larger nation.<br><br>“This experience, to us, was like 9/11 was to the world,” the Amish man said.<br>___________________________________<br><br>What strikes me here is the repeated references to 9/11, but also Columbine. It's cant language, isn't it?<br>More evidence for the mind control theory!<br> <p></p><i></i>
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