Giuliani: Worse Than Bush

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Giuliani: Worse Than Bush

Postby nomo » Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:00 pm

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Giuliani: Worse Than Bush

He's cashing in on 9/11, working with Karl Rove's henchmen and in cahoots with a Swift Boat-style attack on Hillary. Will Rudy Giuliani be Bush III?

Matt Taibbi
Posted May 31, 2007 8:59 AM


Early Wednesday, May 16th, Charleston, South Carolina. The scene is a town-hall meeting staged by GOP presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani, only a day after he wowed a patriotic Republican crowd at a nationally televised debate with a righteous ass-kicking of the party's latest Hanoi Jane, terrorist sympathizer Ron Paul. A bump in the polls later, "America's Mayor" is back on the campaign trail -- in a room packed with standard-issue Adorable Schoolchildren, in this case beatific black kids in elementary school uniforms with wide eyes and big RUDY stickers pinned to their oblivious breasts.

Giuliani has good stage presence, but his physical appearance is problematic -- virtually neckless, all shoulders and forehead and overbite, with a hunched-over, Draculoid posture that recalls, oddly enough, George W. Bush, the vestigial stoop of a once-chubby kid who grew up hiding tittie pictures from nuns. Not handsome, not cuddly, if he wins this thing it's going to be by projecting toughness and man-aura. But all presidential candidates have to play the baby-kissing game, and here is an early chance for Rudy to show his softer side.

"So," he whispers to the kids. "What do you all want to be when you grow up? Do any of you know?"

A bucktoothed boy raises his hand.

"I wanna be a doctor," he says, "and a lawyer."

The crowd laughs, then looks at Rudy expectantly. The obvious line is "A doctor and a lawyer? Whaddya want to do, sue yourself?" and you can see Rudy physically straining for the joke. But this candidate's funny bone is a microscopic thing, like one of those anvil-shaped deals in the ear, and the line eludes him.

"A doctor and a lawyer, huh?" he says, grinning nervously. "Uh . . . whaddya want to do, sue the doctor?"

My notes from that moment read: Chirping crickets.

Rudy moves on. "How about you?" he says to the next boy.

"I want to be a policeman!" the kid says.

Rudy smiles. Then the next boy says he wants to be a fireman, and the crowd twitters: Wow, a fireman and a policeman, in the same room! Rudy is beaming now, almost certainly aware that every grown-up present is suddenly thinking about 9/11. His day. As he leans over, the room is filled with popping flashbulbs. Then, instead of capitalizing on the sense of pride and shared purpose everyone is feeling, Giuliani utters something truly strange and twisted.

"A fireman and a policeman, huh?" he says. "Well, the first thing that I want to do is make sure that you two get along."

Huh? Amid confused applause, Rudy flashes a queer smile, then moves on to the heart of his presentation, a neat little speech about how the election of a Democratic president will result in certain nuclear attack and the end of the free market as we know it. I'm barely listening, however, still thinking about the "make sure you get along" line.

Although few people outside of New York know it yet, there is an emerging controversy over Giuliani's heroic 9/11 legacy. Critics charge that Rudy's failure to resolve the feuding between the city's police and firefighters prior to the attack led to untold numbers of deaths, the most tragic example being the inability of firemen to hear warnings from police helicopters about the impending collapse of the South Tower. The 9/11 Commission concluded that the two departments had been "designed to work independently, not together," and that greater coordination would have spared many lives.

Given all that, why did Rudy offer this weirdly unsolicited reference to the controversy now? Was he joking? And if so, what the fuck? It was a strange and bitter comment to make, especially right on the heels of his grand-slam performance in the previous night's debate. If this is a guy who chews over a perceived slight in the middle of a victory lap, what's he going to be like with his finger on the button? Even Richard Nixon wasn't wound that tight.

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Rudy giuliani is a true American hero, and we know this because he does all the things we expect of heroes these days -- like make $16 million a year, and lobby for Hugo Chávez and Rupert Murdoch, and promote wars without ever having served in the military, and hire a lawyer to call his second wife a "stuck pig," and organize absurd, grandstanding pogroms against minor foreign artists, and generally drift through life being a shameless opportunist with an outsize ego who doesn't even bother to conceal the fact that he's had a hard-on for the presidency since he was in diapers. In the media age, we can't have a hero humble enough to actually be one; what is needed is a tireless scoundrel, a cad willing to pose all day long for photos, who'll accept $100,000 to talk about heroism for an hour, who has the balls to take a $2.7 million advance to write a book about himself called Leadership. That's Rudy Giuliani. Our hero. And a perfect choice to uphold the legacy of George W. Bush.

Yes, Rudy is smarter than Bush. But his political strength -- and he knows it -- comes from America's unrelenting passion for never bothering to take that extra step to figure shit out. If you think you know it all already, Rudy agrees with you. And if anyone tries to tell you differently, they're probably traitors, and Rudy, well, he'll keep an eye on 'em for you. Just like Bush, Rudy appeals to the couch-bound bully in all of us, and part of the allure of his campaign is the promise to put the Pentagon and the power of the White House at that bully's disposal.

Rudy's attack against Ron Paul in the debate was a classic example of that kind of politics, a Rovian masterstroke. The wizened Paul, a grandfather seventeen times over who is running for the Republican nomination at least 100 years too late, was making a simple isolationist argument, suggesting that our lengthy involvement in Middle Eastern affairs -- in particular our bombing of Iraq in the 1990s -- was part of the terrorists' rationale in attacking us.

Though a controversial statement for a Republican politician to make, it was hardly refutable from a factual standpoint -- after all, Osama bin Laden himself cited America's treatment of Iraq in his 1996 declaration of war. Giuliani surely knew this, but he jumped all over Paul anyway, demanding that Paul take his comment back. "I don't think I've ever heard that before," he hissed, "and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11th."

It was like the new convict who comes into prison the first day and punches the weakest guy in the cafeteria in the teeth, and the Southern crowd exploded in raucous applause. Coupled with yet another implosion by aneurysm-in-waiting John McCain a few days later ("Fuck you! I know more about this than anyone else in the room!" McCain screamed at a fellow senator during a meeting about immigration), the Ron Paul ass-whipping revived Giuliani's standing among conservatives who lately had begun to abandon him over his pro-choice status.

The Paul incident went to the very heart of who Giuliani is as a politician. To the extent that conservatism in the Bush years has morphed into a celebration of mindless patriotism and the paranoid witch-hunting of liberals and other dissenters, Rudy seems the most anxious of any Republican candidate to take up that mantle. Like Bush, Rudy has repeatedly shown that he has no problem lumping his enemies in with "the terrorists" if that's what it takes to get over. When the 9/11 Commission raised criticisms of his fire department, for instance, Giuliani put the bipartisan panel in its place for daring to question his leadership. "Our anger," he declared, "should clearly be directed at one source and one source alone -- the terrorists who killed our loved ones."

Whether Rudy believes in this kind of politics reflexively, as the psychologically crippled Bush does, or as a means to an end, as Karl Rove does, isn't clear. But there's no question that Giuliani has made the continuation of Swift-Boating politics a linchpin of his candidacy. His political hires speak deeply to that tendency. Chris Henick, formerly Karl Rove's most trusted deputy, is now a key aide at Giuliani Partners, the security firm set up by the mayor to cash in on his 9/11 image. One of his top donors, Richard Collins, is a longtime Bush supporter who was instrumental in setting up "Stop Her Now," a 527 group modeled on Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that will be used to attack Hillary Clinton. And the money for the smear campaign comes from the same Texas sources behind the Swift Boaters, including oilman T. Boone Pickens and Houston home builder Bob Perry.

To further emulate the Bush-Rove model, Giuliani has recruited some thirty Bush "Pioneers," the key fund-raisers who served as the president's $100,000 bagmen. In addition, he hired the woman who spearheaded the Pioneer program to be his chief fund-raiser. "Rudy definitely got some of Bush's heavier hitters, including all the Swift Boater types," says Alex Cohen, a senior researcher at Public Citizen, who tracks the president's top donors.

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Rudy's stump speech on the trail these days is short and sweet. He talks about two things -- national security and free-market capitalism -- and his catchphrase for both is "going on offense." When he talks about "economic offense," Giuliani is ostensibly communicating the usual conservative contempt for taxes and big government. But he means more than that. Like the Bush-Cheney crew, Rudy believes everything should be for sale, even public policy -- particularly when he's in a position to do the selling.

In his years as mayor -- and his subsequent career as a lobbyist -- Rudy jumped into bed with anyone who could afford a rubber. Saudi Arabia, Rupert Murdoch, tobacco interests, pharmaceutical companies, private prisons, Bechtel, ChevronTexaco -- Giuliani took money from them all. You could change Rudy's mind literally in the time it took to write a check. A former prosecutor, Giuliani used to call drug dealers "murderers." But as a lobbyist he agreed to represent Seisint, a security firm run by former cocaine smuggler Hank Asher. "I have a great admiration for what he's doing," Rudy gushed after taking $2 million of Asher's money.

As mayor, Rudy had a history of asking financially interested parties to help shape important government policies. At one point, he allowed a deputy mayor who was on the payroll of Major League Baseball to work on deals for the Yankees and Mets; at another point he commissioned a $600,000 report on privatizing JFK and LaGuardia from a consultant with ties to the British Airport Authority, Rudy's handpicked choice to manage the airports.

And let's not forget Bernie Kerik, Rudy's very own hairy-assed Sancho Panza, who was nixed as director of Homeland Security after investigators uncovered a gift he received from a construction firm with alleged mob ties that wanted to do business with Giuliani's administration. It is a testament to the monstrous breadth of Rudy's chutzpah that he used his post-9/11 celebrity to push his personal bagman for a post that milks the world's hugest security-contracts tit -- at the very moment when he himself was creating a security-services company.

Then there's 9/11. Like Bush's, Rudy's career before the bombing was in the toilet; New Yorkers had come to think of him as an ambition-sick meanie whose personal scandals were truly wearying to think about. But on the day of the attack, it must be admitted, Rudy hit the perfect note; he displayed all the strength and reassuring calm that Bush did not, and for one day at least, he was everything you'd want in a leader. Then he woke up the next day and the opportunist in him saw that there was money to be made in an America high on fear.

For starters, Rudy tried to use the tragedy to shred election rules, pushing to postpone the inauguration of his successor so he could hog the limelight for a few more months. Then, with the dust from the World Trade Center barely settled, he went on the road as the Man With the Bullhorn, pocketing as much as $200,000 for a single speaking engagement. In 2002 he reported $8 million in speaking income; this past year it was more than $11 million. He's traveled in style, at one stop last year requesting a $47,000 flight on a private jet, five hotel rooms and a private suite with a balcony view and a king-size bed.

While the mayor himself flew out of New York on a magic carpet, thousands of cash-strapped cops, firemen and city workers involved with the cleanup at the World Trade Center were developing cancers and infections and mysterious respiratory ailments like the "WTC cough." This is the dirty little secret lurking underneath Rudy's 9/11 hero image -- the most egregious example of his willingness to shape public policy to suit his donors. While the cleanup effort at the Pentagon was turned over to federal agencies like OSHA, which quickly sealed off the site and required relief workers to wear hazmat suits, the World Trade Center cleanup was handed over to Giuliani. The city's Department of Design and Construction (DDC) promptly farmed out the waste-clearing effort to a smattering of politically connected companies, including Bechtel, Bovis and AMEC construction.

The mayor pledged to reopen downtown in no time, and internal DDC memos indicate that the cleanup was directed at a breakneck pace. One memo to DDC chief Michael Burton warned, "Project management appears to only address safety issues when convenient for the schedule of the project." Burton, however, had his own priorities: He threatened to fire contractors if "the highest level of efficiency is not maintained."

Although respiratory-mask use was mandatory, the city allowed a macho culture to develop on the site: Even the mayor himself showed up without a mask. By October, it was estimated, masks were being worn on site as little as twenty-nine percent of the time. Rudy proclaimed that there were "no significant problems" with the air at the World Trade Center. But there was something wrong with the air: It was one of the most dangerous toxic-waste sites in human history, full of everything from benzene to asbestos and PCBs to dioxin (the active ingredient in Agent Orange). Since the cleanup ended, police and firefighters have reported a host of serious illnesses -- respiratory ailments like sarcoidosis; leukemia and lymphoma and other cancers; and immune-system problems.

"The likelihood is that more people will eventually die from the cleanup than from the original accident," says David Worby, an attorney representing thousands of cleanup workers in a class-action lawsuit against the city. "Giuliani wears 9/11 like a badge of honor, but he screwed up so badly."

When I first spoke to Worby, he was on his way home from the funeral of a cop. "One thing about Giuliani," he told me. "He's never been to a funeral of a cleanup worker."

Indeed, Rudy has had little at all to say about the issue. About the only move he's made to address the problem was to write a letter urging Congress to pass a law capping the city's liability at $350 million.

Did Giuliani know the air at the World Trade Center was poison? Who knows -- but we do know he took over the cleanup, refusing to let more experienced federal agencies run the show. He stood on a few brick piles on the day of the bombing, then spent the next ten months making damn sure everyone worked the night shift on-site while he bonked his mistress and negotiated his gazillion-dollar move to the private sector. Meanwhile, the people who actually cleaned up the rubble got used to checking their stool for blood every morning.

Now Giuliani is running for president -- as the hero of 9/11. George Bush has balls, too, but even he has to bow to this motherfucker.
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Postby judasdisney » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:35 pm

Anybody recall the thuggish, ominous slogan of Giuliani supporters during his mayorship?

"It's Giuliani Time."

Did Bush ever have a slogan which evoked such thuggish authoritarianism?

Of course "Benito" Giuliani is more dangerous: He made the NYC trains run on time. He's not incompetent like Bush.

Bush was a test of the U.S. public. Bush was the easy guy to get rid of. Bush's incompetence was naked from Day One.

If the U.S. public couldn't vanquish Bush at the (rigged) ballot box, then how dark does it look for Giuliani?

I maintain my prediction for 2008:

The Republicans need a weak Democratic president to mobilize resentment again and raise enough support for a military coup. This will happen by rigging the election in favor of a weak Democrat.

McCain/Lieberman will declare a 3rd Party in the name of "National Unity." This will automatically produce an "Election of 1824" scenario where no candidate receives the minimum number of electoral votes, and the election is thrown into the House of Representatives. The Democratic House will choose Hillary, which taints her presidency as "illegitimate" and "stolen" and "authoritarian" (ironic, ain't it?).

The GOP will take back the Senate and Senate Majority leader Elizabeth Dole will call a GOP walkout on the "illegitimate president" during the second year of the HRC presidency when she tries feebly to dismantle the stacked-CIA and the stacked-NSA machinery of Cheney/Rove.

When there is a "GOP Walkout" in Congress, watch out. That's when a single USAF "Al Qaeda Sympathizer" can crash an F-16 into the Dome and wipe out the entire national Democratic Party in one act. The Republicans will already have a "New Constitution" drafted (ala the Patriot Act) to ratify.
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:59 pm

Very interesting and well thought out theory, Judas. My prediction is a little more simple. I dont think Bush will be leaving office in 2008, there will be an event prior to the election and martial law declared.



Image I remember when I was ten years old, for halloween I put a tator on my dick and went as a dictator. Heh Heh.
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Postby philipacentaur » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:01 pm

"So," he whispers to the kids. "What do you all want to be when you grow up? Do any of you know?"

A bucktoothed boy raises his hand.

"I wanna be a doctor," he says, "and a lawyer."

The crowd laughs, then looks at Rudy expectantly. The obvious line is "A doctor and a lawyer? Whaddya want to do, sue yourself?" and you can see Rudy physically straining for the joke. But this candidate's funny bone is a microscopic thing, like one of those anvil-shaped deals in the ear, and the line eludes him.

"A doctor and a lawyer, huh?" he says, grinning nervously. "Uh . . . whaddya want to do, sue the doctor?"

My notes from that moment read: Chirping crickets.

This part made me burst out laughing.
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Giuliani Makes 9/11 His Brand

Postby nomo » Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:15 pm

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/06/05/ny ... 05nyc.html


Giuliani Makes 9/11 His Brand
By CLYDE HABERMAN

The Republican candidates for president will go at it again tonight,
debating in New Hampshire. Terrorism and national security are bound
to figure as topics, and we all know what that means: Former Mayor
Rudolph W. Giuliani will have another chance to assert proprietary
rights to Sept. 11 and how we should understand that day.

Not that Mr. Giuliani is alone in believing that his perspectives on
this subject are special. Like him, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
claims a unique status by virtue of being a New Yorker.

During the Democratic candidates’ own New Hampshire debate on Sunday
night, former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina dismissed the
“war on terror” as a political slogan — a “bumper sticker,” as he
called it. In disagreeing, Mrs. Clinton established her street cred.

“I’m a senator from New York,” she said. “I have lived with the
aftermath of 9/11.”

It will be interesting to see what happens should she and Mr.
Giuliani go toe to toe as their party’s nominees. One can imagine the
former mayor hauling off on her should she use that aftermath line
again. Aftermath? I was there, he’d say.

That was Mr. Giuliani’s tactic during a debate last month when he lit
into a fellow Republican, Representative Ron Paul of Texas. Mr. Paul
had suggested that American policies in the Middle East, going back
to the Persian Gulf war of 1991, have contributed to the Muslim anger
that has produced atrocities like the 2001 terrorist attacks. Though
it wasn’t his turn to speak, Mr. Giuliani piped up as the indignant
proprietor of 9/11 memory.

“That’s an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the
attack of Sept. 11, that we invited the attack because we were
attacking Iraq,” he said. No Clintonesque aftermath for him. He was
there.

Mr. Giuliani has made the attack so much his province — the satirical
newspaper The Onion says he is running for “president of 9/11” — that
you have to wonder why he doesn’t try to trademark “9/11” as his own.

For a trademark claim, “he’d have to say that every time people saw
‘9/11,’ there was an association of that phrase with him, that there
was an immediate link to him and his product, whatever that might
be,” said Tim Wu, a professor of copyright law at Columbia University.

Indeed, that is essentially what Mr. Giuliani does say. His
presidential race rests heavily on his performance on Sept. 11 and
his hope that, when Americans contemplate antiterror strategies, the
first name to pop into their heads is Rudy. Like every other
candidate, he definitely has a product to sell: himself.

Nor is he shy about protecting himself in this regard. He has
trademarked “Rudolph Giuliani” and “Giuliani Partners L.L.C.,” the
company he formed after his mayoral term expired at the end of 2001.
As The Daily News reported a few months ago, the company asserts that
anything that “tarnishes, degrades, disparages or reflects adversely”
on the Giuliani name could be grounds for terminating a contract.

The former mayor’s sensitivities about his name are well known.

You may recall how he went ballistic a decade ago when New York
magazine ran advertisements on city buses that said of itself,
“Possibly the only good thing in New York Rudy hasn’t taken credit
for.” The mayor leaned on the Metropolitan Transportation Authority
to remove the ads, and that led to lawsuits over free speech. The
magazine prevailed in court. To fight a no-win battle in Mr.
Giuliani’s behalf, the bus people tossed away $183,766 of riders’
money in legal fees.

GIVEN that background, the notion of trying to trademark “9/11”
doesn’t seem so outlandish. But it would be an uphill climb and most
likely an unsuccessful one, specialists in copyright law say.

A date on the calendar is “something so generic,” said Edward J.
Davis, a Manhattan lawyer. Susan P. Crawford, a professor at the
Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University, agreed. “It’s in broad
use by so many people that it doesn’t uniquely distinguish any good
or service,” she said. “It has no trademark heft.”

Professor Wu said much the same — that the date is “sort of a
collective property,” beyond any individual claim. Still, he said, he
could envision a debate in which “another candidate, let’s say
McCain, gets up and says, ‘9/11 is important.’ And Giuliani says, ‘Do
you realize that “9/11” happens to be a Giuliani trademark? You’re
not allowed to talk about it.’ ”
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Postby Nordic » Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:12 am

Don't forget -- in the Palast interview at Buzzflash, Palast says that the Repugs have already stolen 2008, and it's gonna be Rudi who takes it.

It's been set up for some time.

Hillary has been the official "opposition party" nominee since, oh, about December of 2004. Now it looks like nobody can stop her, even though I don't personally know one damn person who supports her.

It's all getting very obvious. Brazen. They sure waste a lot of time and money on this illusion, don't they?
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Postby nomo » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:09 am

Nordic wrote:Don't forget -- in the Palast interview at Buzzflash, Palast says that the Repugs have already stolen 2008, and it's gonna be Rudi who takes it.


I don't see him mentioning Giulliani anywhere. What makes you think Rudy's the shoe-in? Or that he would be acceptable to most Americans (I know, I know, as if that even matters)?
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Postby nomo » Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:26 pm

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/9/9012/51293

Rudy Wanted To Become Dictator of NY In 2001
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Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 06:18:25 AM PDT

I am amazed that anyone is seriously considering Rudy Giuliani as President, in no small measure because I am from New Jersey and read the New York papers daily. And I have a pretty good memory for obscure crap I read. Giuliani before 9/11 was an unpopular, arrogant, abusive Mayor who was term limited out of office.

But the main reason why I cannot believe anyone – and I mean anyone from any party including the most rabid neocon – can support Rudy Giuliani for President is that his first reaction to the 9/11 attacks was to seek an extension to his term in office.

Most folks forget that September 11, 2001 was the day of the primary for Mayor of New York. Mike Bloomberg was the frontrunner for the Republicans, but was more than 15 percent behind the Democrats. The reason why a liberal former Democrat like Bloomberg got any play in the Republican primary was that no one – and I mean no one – expected a Republican to win. It was an outlandish joke and no serious Republican wanted to get creamed.

We all watched the Mark Green/Fernando Ferrer Democratic primary with gusto, expecting September 11th to be the day a new Mayor of New York was selected. None of us knew, obviously, that day would have far bigger consequences for the future of the city, our country and our world.

But the horrors struck our nation in New York, Pennsylvania and Washington DC and things changed. Obviously, one of the major changes was that the primary for New York City Mayor was scuttled and had to be postponed.

Rudy Giuliani rose to the occasion that day. Even those of us who think he was a bully and lousy administrator admit that. Even those who think he is a terrible person for the way he has treated his family admit that. He was central casting hero standing in front of the cameras telling us that while we'd lived through a horror, we had lived and we would get our revenge.

But in the following days we got to see the real Giuliani. It's easier to be heroic in front of cameras while people are afraid. Strongmen for all time have been able to do that, gathering the fears of the people together into a small place and whipping them up into a frenzy of passion that lifts the strongman to greater power.

Giuliani knew that, and tried to benefit. On September 26, 2001 – two weeks after the worst attack on our mainland since the Civil War – Giuliani proposedthat he be able to hold on to his office for three more months.

How to extend his term -- something the mayor and his advisers insist is needed to ensure a more rapid recovery for the city -- has been very much on the mayor's mind for at least part of the week. Mr. Giuliani and his aides have contacted lawmakers and business leaders to see if there is support for a challenge to the term-limits laws adopted twice by voters, and to see if legislators would accept an emergency extension of his term. Some argue that either move would require state legislation; lawmakers have responded coolly to altering the term-limits law.


There was no law that supported such an extension, no tradition that offered it, no constitutional power that allowed it. Giuliani simply thought that the law of his city, state and nation should be aborted for his own personal glory.

Let me say that again: Rudy Giuliani used the most horrific moment of the last fifty years to try to maintain power for himself.

For some reason, this attempted and rebuffed coup d'etat is a matter of non-history. It never happened, and has been conveniently forgotten by the bulk of not only American people but also the media and the political intelligentsia.

But it is a big freaking deal. In a time when we could be hit by terrorists at any moment Rudy Giuliani is seeking to be our leader. He wants to be the guy with the most power in our country, not only over the proverbial button but also able to suspend habeas corpus and arrest people and torture them without court review.

And when his city was touched, horribly, by terrorism he spent two weeks of considering his options. Even after democracy continued and the primary had been revoted in the face of a terrorist attack, Rudy Giuliani still thought the best thing to do was suspend the law of the land and give him the power for "just a little longer" until the crisis was averted.

That's bad enough in itself. But it was the courage of Democrat Fernando Ferrer to tell Rudy to stuff it that stopped this usurpation of democratic control of our country. Ferrer was the only primary candidate who opposed this plan. Democrat Mark Green said it was OK as long as he still got four years after Giuliani was done. Bloomberg was fine with it. Republicans Governor George Pataki and Senate Majority Leader Joseph L. Bruno were willing to let Giuliani do whatever he wanted.

But Ferrer stood in the way. A Democrat, one of those people Giuliani recently decried as unable to respond to terrorism, said that we should allow the democratic process to proceed in the face of terrorism. In essence, he said we cannot allow our ideals and our democratic way of life to be changed because some assholes attacked us. That was a tough stand to take, and it hurt his political career while helping our country.

Ferrer was right, and Giuliani was wrong.

And we know that because the normal American election happened on the first Tuesday after the first Monday of November. As a result of his courageous stand Ferrer lost the runoff to Mark Green, and as a result of Giuliani's fear mongering Mark Green lost the general election to Mike Bloomberg.

And on January 1, 2002, as scheduled and as determined by the rule of law, Mike Bloomberg took office as the Mayor of the City of New York, the state of New York, the United States of America.

In the face of terrorism, in the face of fear, in the face of the greatest national moment since Pearl Harbor the normal election process continued and the people peaceably and freely elected a new leader. And the transition went smoothly, and nothing was the worse for wear.

Fernando Ferrer was right, the American Way of democracy and the rule of law was proven right. Rudy Giuliani and the impulse to trash the rule of law was proven dead wrong.

Now he wants to be President, with even more power. If the country were to face another major attack on our soil, Giuliani is likely to once again seek a power grab that would make President Bush's look like nothing. He has already tried it once, but he didn't have the power to make it stick.

And he would do it again if he had the chance.
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Postby nomo » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:31 am

http://wonkette.com/politics/dept%27-of ... 268732.php

dept. of changed everything forever
Rudy Giuliani Is In Trouble

So it turns out nobody in New York has any memory of 9/11, as far as when it happened and maybe who did it or whatever:
(YouTube video)
Yay for Do Not Recall!
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