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Re: Joe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:59 am

New Kid<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What he totally fails to address in my view, is why do they do that particular ritual at all? Where did that come from? That's not stuff you do at summer camp or even in regular fraternities. It's just not stuff that any normal person, even rich person, would come up with all on their own, much less convince everyone else there that it was some neat thing to go do.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I completely disagree. Not that i am that normal.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>That burning of care ritual, if that is all it is, is nothing to worry about. My old girl recently said she'd been to some seminar on dealing with trauma, and some speaker had said that although writing down issues as a form of therapy was largely ineffective, writing things down, especially stories that are about pain and anger inside yourself, then burning them, actually had a theraputic value. Hearsay from my mum I know. But her hearsay is pretty good actually.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>She said this in a context. I have known about this process via a sort of folklore/practical experience thing since I was young. Its an ongoing conversation we have had for years.<br><br>I went to a catholic school, and we used to have retreats, with kids from other schools - at the start we would have a group ritual very similar, but not in a weird dress up way. we'd sit around introduce ourselves, say a little prayer sing a song, and write then burn our cares.<br><br>it worked too.<br><br>Thats one example, but it goes back further than that. I may have first done it instinctively.<br><br>In that context the whole ritual and all that seems as benign as it seems.<br><br>Except its too big and colourful.<br><br>But that rock/owl. <br><br>And the bombast. maybe thats just America, or the Hollywood part of it, or maybe thats just something that reflects the size of the egos of the people taking part, but that overblown crap. the burning of care thing should be a quiet comtemplative thing as well. Kind of intimate. So you can let the external be mirrored internally.<br><br>And the fact that care resists. You let go, perhaps building the tension is what that voice of care thing is all about, at bogroll grove. But it doesn't seem right. I'll have to reread the descripton again.<br><br>And the owl.<br><br>It just looks wrong. Plus you do that buring thing in front of the divinity in your own heart. Not an ugly scary looking stone that looks like a focal point/transmitter for psychic energy.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Domhoff does with me too, Joe. He's a classic Berlet, right at the boundary, gatekeeper. Keeps you talking about structural issues of power and assorted gibberish that will never be a threat to anybody, all the while ignoring all of the obviously criminal conspiracies right in front of everybody's face, exposure of which really would do something.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yeah tell me about it. see my rant above.<br><br>Plus hes a Professor at UCSC, and he sounds like a bogroll grove member.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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If you can't beat 'em...

Postby thurnandtaxis » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:42 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>The feminist movement pushed hard to open exclusive men only "social clubs" to women for this very reason<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>What's good for the gander:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/2001/01_08/b3720156.htm">www.businessweek.com/2001...720156.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Move Over, Bohemian Grove<br>Belizean Grove is just one of the networking groups that have sprung up to serve top female execs <br><br>Women may not have a longstanding old-boy network to hook into for job leads, government appointments, or venture-capital deals, but they're rapidly making up for lost time. Groups of professionally accomplished women are building powerful networks of their own.<br><br>I saw this firsthand in January, when I was the only journalist to attend the first Belizean Grove retreat on Ambergris Caye in Belize, Central America. Belizean Grove is an invitation-only meeting of 29 women in business, government, and academe. It's modeled after the 130-year-old Bohemian Grove, an all-male encampment deep in the redwoods of Northern California. About 1,500 of America's corporate and government elite gather there each summer for two weeks of talks, discussions, recreation, and rituals.<br><br>Some women once sued to gain access to Bohemian Grove, to no avail. ''We aren't waiting for an invitation to Bohemian Grove anymore, because we have our own,'' says Mary Lehman MacLachlan, president of Chicago's EnvestNet Group, a wealth-management network for financial advisers.<br><br>''READY TO GIVE.'' Belizean Grove was the brainchild of Susan Stautberg, president of PartnerCom, a New York firm that creates advisory boards for companies worldwide. Her criteria for admission? The women have to be ''bright and accomplished, fun-loving, and have a sense of adventure,'' she says. Furthermore, ''they have to be ready to give to their communities and to each other.''<br><br>Participants included venture capitalists and entrepreneurs from Atlanta and Boston, fashion and dot-com executives from New York, and former top-level federal appointees from Washington D.C. Attendees spoke on panels that covered such topics as how to obtain money and power and use them to transform yourself and your community.<br><br>Once we arrived at this beachfront outpost, where cell phones don't work and Web connections are a boat ride away, the women quickly shed their professional personas with little prompting. While soaking in the hot tub and snorkeling with the sting rays, the women shared personal experiences and feelings. One 54-year-old woman spoke candidly to me of her three life-threatening kidney-transplant operations. Others spoke of ex-husbands who became financially dependent on their professional success.<br><br>The women's modus operandi contrasted sharply with that of powerful men, who often connect during a round of golf--and who, when they're not talking about their business activities, tend to talk about other things they do rather than how they feel. ''When women get together without men, we engage in an extremely personal way, and our conversation is different,'' says Judy Rosener, a professor at the Graduate School of Management at the University of California at Irvine, who specializes in men and women at work.<br><br>By revealing themselves in such a way, ''they create an emotional bond that will lead these women to help one another in any way they can,'' says Edie Weiner, president of a New York consulting firm that specializes in trend analysis. That desire to join together for a common good motivated participants to undertake several philanthropic efforts to benefit Belizean women.<br><br>I walked away from the gathering inspired. These women stressed cooperation and the need to help other women. You don't have to be an invitee to Belizean Grove--or any other elite networking group--to learn from their message.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Fools

Postby Pah » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:45 am

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Re: Fools

Postby bvonahsen » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:52 am

Remember folks, do not feed the troll. You know what happens if you do, they never ever go away. <br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8120/donotfeedtrollvq3.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Fools

Postby NewKid » Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:07 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I went to a catholic school, and we used to have retreats, with kids from other schools - at the start we would have a group ritual very similar, but not in a weird dress up way. we'd sit around introduce ourselves, say a little prayer sing a song, and write then burn our cares. <br>it worked too.<br><br>Thats one example, but it goes back further than that. I may have first done it instinctively.<br><br>In that context the whole ritual and all that seems as benign as it seems.<br><br>Except its too big and colourful. <br><br><br>But that rock/owl. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Well, if it's not in a weird dress up way, not involving a giant creepy owl, and not involving any ancient Druidic, Bablyonian rites or the accompanying rhetoric, and it involves kids and not leading politicians and plutocrats, then I would hesistate to say it's really similar at all. <br><br>These are grown men, who have serious positions in the world. They're not kids at camp who sing songs and tell ghost stories. They're performing bizarre plays which are modeled after some very strange and very old rites and customs. <br><br>It may very well be harmless but, <br><br>It's. not. normal. <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Fools

Postby Pah » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:44 am

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Re: Fools

Postby xsic bastardx » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:59 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I`ve been readin` this board for years, and your kind thankfully have been thin on the ground until now.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> ahhhhh...years?????? Jeff just started this board last year......<br><br><br>         Comment<br>Rigorous Intuition<br>ezOP<br>Posts: 2<br>(4/12/05 1:02 pm)<br>        Welcome Er, that's all.<br><br>Post away, if you'd like, and let's see how this goes.<br><br>        << Prev Topic |<br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=xsicbastardx>xsic bastardx</A> at: 7/17/06 5:01 am<br></i>
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Re: Fools

Postby jc » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:17 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>ahhhhh...years?????? Jeff just started this board last year......<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>careful there sb, the man might have been readin the board backwards from the future. 's why he's out of sync, maybe? <br><br>or he was sent from the future to disrupt which deosn't bode too well for the PTB. they might have lost up ahead and are trying to come back and correct that (?).<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 0] --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/alien.gif ALT="0]"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> the trollminator <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jc@rigorousintuition>jc</A> at: 7/17/06 6:22 am<br></i>
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Deleted the Post?

Postby xsic bastardx » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:54 am

<br><br> Are you trying to imply he was a editorial Jhon Titor....come come now.......<br><br><br> noticed he deleted his post, funny that happens around here when people get called on thier shit and it makes them look crass and uneducated or just plain dishonest.<br><br> <br> <br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>somewhere jhon titor is smiling.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Fools Gold

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:34 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>They're not kids at camp who sing songs and tell ghost stories. They're performing bizarre plays which are modeled after some very strange and very old rites and customs. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The camp where we did that, well we stayed at an old house in Templestowe, on about 30 acres. It was primo. We were 17, not really kids anymore.<br><br>And the thing we did definitely was a ritual, in a ritual context and all that.<br><br>And it had a definite effect of removing a weight from my mind. I still use it now and then. I can image that it would actually be very useful to them.<br><br>I think it is normal too, maybe not in their specific case. But in every culture worldwide there has been a tradition of dressing up for song and dance rituals involving what sem to be weird rites.<br><br>But thats why I don't buy the Cremation of Care ritual and the funny clothes and the big owl. The dressing up and the big owl don't fit.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>They're performing bizarre plays which are modeled after some very strange and very old rites and customs.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It is a normal process, but in a very different context to that burning of care ritual.<br><br>Its about creating a "portal" if you like, a space where the barriers between worlds become very thin. I personally think humans have this ability because it enables us to do a process that the aboriginal Australians use. The use of bizarre plays and rituals and the actual old rites and customs in their culture enables the practitioners to re enact creation stories in creation space. in the actual "Dreamtime" if you like.<br><br>This sympathetic magic powers the creation process outside of time and space and more importantly, gives it form and shape.<br><br>Something the indigenous Australians used to create the most biodiverse continent on earth. Well I keep hearing it is, er was the most biodiverse place, but given the Amazon rainforest thats pretty hard to credit.<br><br>Either way there was a remarkable diversity of life, there are about 200 species of edible plant in the major valley just NE of here, the Tweed valley. At least, and not including animal products. Some of the plants have to be treated or they are poisonous btw, but the one particular untreated poisonous plant (cunjavoi) is actually an incredibly effective poultice for serious wounds.<br><br>Having said all that, I am wondering what the actual reason for the rituals and the outfits could be.<br><br>I mean it is possible that they are just dressing up for the Cremation of Care thing. But I just don't think so. Maybe for some other harmless play acting bunk. It is California after all, and Hollywood has had a presence at the Grove (I am assuming).<br><br>But if not... And it doesn't necessarily have to involve human sacrifice either. (But it might.)<br><br>All this is just speculation of course. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Fools Gold

Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:21 pm

Arcadia, the Jon Stewart thing sounds like the kind of rumor that the Bohemian Grove attendees would have wet dreams about, so I'm thinkin' it's probably Not True. Seems like Jon would have done a LOT of jokes about it, if it was true, if for no other reason than to defuse any career-killing cracks about it from anyone else. We don't see all of the shows, so has anyone else heard him mention it? <br><br>Re: important, secret business not getting done there--within the Grove "camps", there is a very rigid caste system (these ARE mainly Conservatives, remember?) and what goes on inside the top-most ones is unknown to all other camps' residents. It's not the rank-and-file snobs we need to worry about--it's the ones in the most exclusive little "clubs within the clubs".<br><br>And that article explained why the Green group that marches around Lake Merritt was so thin this weekend--the leaders are at the Grove. Cool! But I am sorry that the protestor turnout was so low this year. I've been wanting to go there myself, ever since I heard about the MC slaves that are brought in for the delectation of the higher-ups. My first visit to the Bay Area (back in 1971) just happened to occur at the same time that BG was going on. And my ex The Sociopath just happened to be my handler at the time. So I'd love to see if the area is familiar to me at all.<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>
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No Conspiracies, eh?

Postby johnny nemo » Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:09 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Finally, the conspiratorial view assumes that illegal plans to change the government or assassinate people can be kept secret for long periods of time, but all evidence shows that secret groups or plans in the United States are uncovered by civil liberties groups, infiltrated by reporters or government officials, and written about in the press. Even secrets about wars and CIA operations -- Vietnam, the Contras, the rationales for Bush's invasion of Iraq in 2003 -- are soon exposed for everyone to see. As for assassinations and assassination attempts in the United States, from McKinley to Franklin D. Roosevelt to John F. Kennedy to Martin Luther King, Jr., to Robert F. Kennedy to Reagan,<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> they have been the acts of individuals with no connections to any power groups</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Oh, really?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://germany.indymedia.org/2003/11/68265.shtml">germany.indymedia.org/200...8265.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>John Hinckley Jr., who shot Ronald Reagan in 1981, is about to be partially released from confinement after testimony from government psychiatrists. Hinckley's family and the family of President George W. Bush have long, complicated ties that have been little reported.Hinckley's brother was scheduled to have dinner at the home of the current President Bush's brother the day after the assassination attempt. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Bush and Hinckley families go back to the oil-wildcatting days of the 1960s in Texas. (Ironically, they go back even farther in a genealogical sense, since the have a common ancestor in Samuel Hinckley, who lived in the late 1600s.)</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>The relationship was much closer between George Bush, Sr., and John Hinckley, Sr., whose families were neighbors for years in Houston. John Hinckley, Sr., contributed to the political campaigns of Bush, Sr., all the way back to Bush's running for Congress, and he supported Bush against Reagan for the 1980 Republican presidential nomination. Bush, Sr., and Hinckley, Sr., were both in the oil business.<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> When the Hinckley oil company, Vanderbilt Oil, started to fail in the 1960s, Bush, Sr.'s, Zapata Oil financially bailed out Hinckley's sompany.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Hinckley had been running an operation with six dead wells, but he began making several milliion dollars a year after the Bush bailout. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Scott Hinckley, John's brother, was scheduled to have dinner at the Denver home of Neil Bush, Bush, Sr.'s, son (and of course the current president's brother) the day after the shooting.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> At the time, Neil Bush was a Denver-based purchaser of mineral rights for Amoco, and Scott Hinckley was the vice president of his father's Denver-based oil business. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>On the day of the shooting, NBC news anchor John Chancellor, eyebrows raised, informed the viewers of the nightly news that the man who tried to kill the president was acquainted with the son of the man who would have become president had the attack succeeded.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> As a matter of fact, Chancellor reported in a bewildered tone, Scott Hinckley and Neil Bush had been scheduled to have dinner together at the home of the (then) vice-president's son (Neil) the very next night. <br><br>The story of the Bush-Hinckley connection was reported on the AP and UPI newswires and in some newspapers, including the Houston Post, which apparently originated the story. It was also reported in Newsweek magazine. Then the story about one of the strangest coincidences in presidential assassination history simply disappeared. (The AP story is quoted in its entirety at the end of this article, not for commercial use but solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.)</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=johnnynemo>johnny nemo</A> at: 7/17/06 1:13 pm<br></i>
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Boh Rituals

Postby professorpan » Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:56 pm

Alex Jones' video convinced me that the "Cremation of Care" was innocuous and not some kind of ancient, sinister ritual. It's hokey and silly, the kind of goofy, pseudo-occult "rituals" that take place in summer camps across the U.S. My Boy Scout troop had something called "The Order of the Arrow" which employed Indian tropes and a mystical ceremony to honor the older scouts.<br><br>BG is a summer camp for the elites. It's one of the only places they can go and act like the spoiled jackasses they really are without worrying about the paparazzi snapping a photo of them drunk with cocaine boogers and hookers on their laps.<br><br>If malign rituals do take place, the Cremation of Care would be a good way to deflect attention from the *real* rituals, of course. . . . <p></p><i></i>
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Boh rituals

Postby Jezebelladonna » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:05 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/cremation-of-care">www.answers.com/topic/cremation-of-care</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>/snip/<br><br>Full Transcript<br><br>This is the transcript of the ceremony videotaped by Alex Jones on July 15 2000. <br><br>The Owl is in His leafy temple<br>Let all within the grove be reverent before Him.<br>Lift up your heads oh ye trees<br>And be lifted up ye everlasting spires<br>For behold here is bohemia's shrine<br>And holy are the pillars of this house.<br><br><br>Weaving spiders come not here!<br><br><br>Hail, Bohemians!<br>With the ripple of waters<br>The song of birds<br>Such music as inspires the sinking soul<br>Do we invite you into Midsummer's joy.<br>The sky above is blue and sown with stars<br>The forest floor is heaped with fragrant grit<br>The evening's cool kiss is yours<br>The campfire's glow<br>The birth of rosy fingered dawn.<br>For behold, here is Bohemia's shrine<br>And holy are the pillars of his house<br>Shake off your sorrows with the city's dust<br>And cast to the winds the cares of life.<br>But memories bring back the well-loved names of gallant friends<br>Who knew and loved this grove<br>Dear boom companions of a long ago<br>Aye, let them join us in this ritual!<br>And not a piece be empty in our midst.<br>All of these battles to hold<br>In this gray autumn of the world<br>Or in the springtime of your heart.<br>Attend our tale<br>Gather ye forest folks!<br>And cast your spells over these mortals<br>Touch their world-blind eyes with carry-on<br>Open their eyes to fancy<br>Follow the memories of yesterday<br>And seal the gates of sorrow.<br>It is a dream<br>And yet, not all a dream<br>Dull Care in all of his works<br>Harbored it<br>As vanished Babylon and goodly Tyre<br>So shall they also vanish<br>But the wilding rose blows on the broken battlements of Tyre<br>And moss rends the stones of Babylon<br>For beauty is eternal<br>And we bow to beauty everlasting<br>For lasting happiness we turn our eyes to one alone,<br>And she surrounds you now.<br>Great nature, refuge of the weary heart,<br>And only balm to breasts that have been bruised.<br>She hath cool hands for every fevered brow<br>And gentlest silence for the troubled soul.<br>Her councils are most wise<br>She healeth well<br>Having such ministries as calm and sleep<br>She is ever faithful<br>Other friends may fail<br>But seek ye her in any quiet place<br>Smiling, she will rise and give to you her kiss<br>So must ye come as children<br>Little children that believe do not ever doubt her beauty or her faith<br>Nor deem her tenderness can change or die<br>Bohemians and priests!<br>The desperate call of heavy hearts is answered.<br>By the power of your fellowship, Dull Care is slain<br>His body has been brought yonder to our funeral pyre<br>To the joyous singings of a funeral march;<br>Our funeral pyre awaits the corpse of Care<br>O thou, thus ferried across the shadowy tide<br>In all the ancient majesty of death<br>Dull Care, ardent enemy of beauty<br>Not for thee the forgiveness or the restful grave<br>Fire shall have its will of thee<br>And all the winds make merry with thy dust<br>Bring fire!<br><br><br>Fools!<br>Fools!<br>Fools!<br>When will ye learn<br>That me ye cannot slay?<br>Year after year ye burn me in this grove<br>Lifting your puny shouts of triumph to the stars.<br>When again you turn your faces to the marketplace<br>Do you not find me waiting as of old?<br>Fools!<br>Fools!<br>Fools to dream you conquer care.<br><br><br>Say Thou mocking spirit!<br>It is not all a dream<br>We know thou waiting for us<br>When this out sylvan holiday has ended<br>We shall meet thee and fight thee as of old<br>And some of us prevail against thee<br>And some thou shall destroy<br>But this too we know<br>Year after year within this happy grove<br>Our fellowship bans thee for a space<br>Thine malevolence which would pursue us here<br>Has lost its power under these friendly trees.<br>So shall we burn thee once again this night<br>And, with the flames that eat thine effigy<br>We shall read the sign<br>Midsummer sets us free!<br><br><br>Ye shall burn me once again!<br>Not with these flames!<br>Which hither ye have brought<br>From regions where I reign<br>Ye fools and priests<br>I spit upon your fire!<br><br><br>O Owl! Prince of all mortal wisdom<br>Owl of Bohemia, we beseech thee<br>Grant us thy council<br><br><br>No fire…<br>No fire…<br>No fire…<br>Let it be in the world<br>Where care is nourished<br>On the hates of men<br>And drive Him from this grove.<br>One flame alone must light this fire<br>One flame alone must light this fire<br>A pure eternal flame<br>At last, within the lamp of Fellowship<br>Upon the altar of Bohemia.<br><br><br>O Great Owl of Bohemia!<br>We thank thee for thy adjuration.<br>Begone detested care!<br>Begone!<br>Once more, we banish thee!<br>Begone Dull Care!<br>Fire should have its will of thee!<br>Begone Dull Care!<br>And all the winds make merry with thy dust<br>Hail, fellowship's eternal flame!<br>Once again Midsummer sets us free!"<br><br>-------------------------------------------------------<br><br>/snip/<br><br><br>The "Fools! Fools!" is uttered by Dull Care, <br><br>Dull Care speaks two stanzas: The "Fools! Fools!" stanza and the "I spit upon your fire" stanza.<br><br>The Officiant seeks counsel from the OwlMostWise, who then speaks the "No fire....No Fire...." stanza. <br><br>(I remember reading that, after Dull Care extinguishes the flames (a good spitter, that Dull Care) except for the flame in the lamp of fellowship, the Owl, in response to the Officiant's inquiry, tells the Officiant that only the pure eternal flame of the lamp of fellowship can drive Dull Care away. The Officant then uses the flame from the lamp of fellowship to torch the pyre with Dull Care atop.)<br><br>I've been to several pagan gatherings and was, long ago, initiated into the basic, welcome, baby-level of Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis (with zero follow-through). I have witnessed or participated in some the rituals and ceremonies, and I've noticed that the ones that invoked power in some way or another were remarkable for the relative powerlessness of the participating folk. This relationship added much to the toothy, grinning hokeyness of the ritual even as it seemed to explain the desire for the psychological effect the rituals had on the participators.<br><br>The participants in the B.Grove ritual are a much more powerful demographic. The Ceremony of Care as certianly a banishing ritual (driving Dull Care's spirit away year after year). Not surprisingly, the words are fairly benign. Still, at the very least, it indicates a certain receptivity to arcane ritual. Reminds me of the congressional reception in 2004 where Rev. Sun Myung Moon was crowned as "humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent". <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61932-2004Jun22.html">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...Jun22.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Maybe acceptance of "meaningless" ritual is what Skulls & Bones prepares these boys for. Power ups the ante. <p></p><i></i>
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Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon at BG in 1967

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:08 am

...along with nuclear scientist Dr. Glenn T. Seaborg, from Seaborg's website-<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://dsd.lbl.gov/Seaborg.talks/presidents/20.html">dsd.lbl.gov/Seaborg.talks...ts/20.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://imglib.lbl.gov/ImgLib/COLLECTIONS/BERKELEY-LAB/images/96B05411.lowres.jpeg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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