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11:11 wrote:Jeez, I've just read half of this, and not yet heard the interviews.
I have a friend who is monarch cult abused multiple. She was totured at SRI where she was trained in remote viewing and used by the JASONS. She was also used in special access programs in the middle east - UAE. She was taken to Egypt, where she met Atta. She won't say a lot about it, because she's afraid that someone innocent (an Egyptian) could get killed over it. She was in Egypt as a slave for Mossad handlers, and she said Attah was both Muslim Brotherhood and working with the Mossad.
I'm telling you all this to tie in the cult aspects. She is an SRA MK ULTRA survivor. The military industrial complex, their science, intel (CIA, MOSSAD, MI6, etc.) is ALL CULT. These people are one and the same. NWO, Satanic cult going WAY back to ancient Babylon. Don't forget that Aquino co-authored (with Gen Paul Vallalee), From Psyop to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory. Here you can tie in that 9/11 was not only the biggest crime, but the biggest mind fuck ever. These ARE the mind control people. When you look at that strange video of Lloyd the cab driver, then it becomes more plausable that his witness account was a result of what these people do. Lloyd was mind fucked by the masters of the Matrix. Now, maybe some will understand why I thought Icke's book was a calling card.
slow_dazzle wrote:I wonder if Ptech's software is used to analyse the data that gets trawled up by spyware and back doors within legit software?
Many years ago I recall the controversy over a well known media player (non-M$) phoning home unbidden. It managed to bypass software firewalls in many cases unless the firewall was configured to require user authorisation to connect. I have seen it working myself.
Admittedly, a lot of the spyware, adware and so on is probably used for marketing purposes. But the stuff is just so widespread I often wonder as to its real purpose. Then there is the automatic update utility within some OS's. Is it simply that the vendors want to make sure you are safe and sound? If so their servers must take a fair hammering.
Although I'm not convinced by Wayne Madsen he has pointed out the phenomenon of data theft on a big scale. Again, it might just be commercial...but then again it might not.
We are getting into tin foil hat territory but think rigorously. Why steal all the personal data? Rhetorical question perhaps because we are all aware of the move towards a surveillance society.
As for the stuff posted by 8bitagent on the occult side of world event I'm reserving judgement until I've looked at the issues in more detail. There are factual points such as the abuse of children and the interlocking cabal of powerful interests. Where I'm sceptical is the occult drivers for it all. I'm not dismissing the notion of occult practice at a micro level. However, I think all that stuff is a consequence of power and not vice versa which makes me highly sceptical about the twin towers as occult symbol theory.
If we accept occult theory as THE driver we are immediately placed in a group of people who possibly believe in a higher power (awful term). And that sort of debate interests me.
slow_dazzle wrote:
8bitagent...we have lost something important that I can't articulate properly. And I'm not introducing God via the back door here.
The 'contolling interests'----TPTB, are 'supra-governmental' in nature. To say things like "our own government(the U.S.) was behind 911", or, "the Israelis were behind 911", this is not going to be accurate. Those who operate within this 'shadow government', even those in 'official' government positions, DO NOT represent, nor are they representative OF, the citizens of their 'home' countries. Of these, those who call Israel "home" are no different. The 'modern' Nation of Israel was not founded out of any 'religious' zealotry. It was purely 'business'-----to gain a 'foothold' in the region, to allow that very 'powerful' Jewish clique whose origins are in continental Europe, to allow them to operate unfettered of the laws of 'foreign' nations-----and by the constaints of a, albeit 'adopted', 'foreign' culture. There are quite a large number of individuals operating within the Mossad, Shin Bet, Israeli 'intel' in general, and within the government 'proper', who have NO allegiance to the State of Israel or to its people. 'These' people haver NEVER been "friends" of the United States or its citizens. It is a small number of these individuals, along with a few of the 'Nazis' that control the 'military industrial complex'(Majic) in the US, that facilitated the events of 911.---------"Jews" and "Nazis"----------can't seem to separate 'em-----eh?
The 'shadow government' is not so hidden anymore. In Israel you might look into the following:
Sami Ofer
Nochi Dankner
Shari Arison
The Cerberus-Gabriel Consortium
Charles Bronfman
Yitzchak Tshuva
The Saban Group
Lev Leviev
Matthew Bronfman
Tzadik Bino
The Borovich Family
Eliezer Fishman
Teva Pharmaceutical Industries
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Eleven writes:
"We are dealing with the most diabolical evil fuckers that ever existed and they are the masters of this kind of manipulation."
I can tell you from personal experience that this is a big stumblingblock with many people. That is, this discussion of "evil".
There are those who don't believe "evil" exists-----that all things are 'relative'-----what may 'be' evil to one person is not so to another---- and that both 'views' are valid. I believe this to be absolute rubbish, representing a lazy and cowardly thought process. Nevertheless...
There are some who believe evil exists, but who are realistic enough to know that they have been relatively 'sheltered' from 'it', never really experiencing 'it' in any substantial way. They may even consider themselves 'blessed' in this regard.
Then there are those who believe evil exists and that they in fact have experienced it directly, either being a victim of 'it', or maybe just 'witnessing' it first hand. However, what the majority of these people experience is just 'petty' evil------petty animosities---
petty jealousies-----violence with petty motivations. Even some really horrible acts are the resutls of 'petty evil'.
But there is another kind of evil which only a minority of people are familiar with. It is something so dark, so alien to their own nature and to what they had thought could even exist, that with their first encounter of 'It', they are astonished--------'it can not be so, this can not possibly be'. And they are 'diminished' by the encounter. There is a loss of 'innocence' so profound that it seems almost irrepairable. And this is a problem, for, in order to defeat this evil you must be able to recognize it, to recognize it you must be able to understand(know) it, and to know it a part of you must die. To hope and to pray for the destruction of this evil is all fine and well. But so long as no 'divine' intervention comes, the price of confronting 'It' will be paid with blood----yours----or 'Its'. It will never be placated. It can not be appeased. And these are the 'Powers' who rule this day.
We are getting into tin foil hat territory but think rigorously. Why steal all the personal data?
11:11 wrote:blanc, I'm sorry to hear that you've encountered this. My own experience is second hand, from MK ULTRA victims. I can read about it, but I can't fathom it. One friend, a victim, told me of being in the presense of "something" that was so terrible she called it excruciating. That was all she could say about it because it was beyond words.
I now know that that is what's behind 9/11. I don't think the 9/11 truth movement can even go there. They will have to stick with the physical evidence and the money trail. To follow the evil "it" will be too unbelievable for the masses, and discredit any attempts to prosecute. And, that prosecution can only come from the people, because the system is "it".
I have an ex who was a Los Angeles P.I. He did a lot of work on missing children. Many cases of murdered kids, that did come to trial, contained evidence of "it", and the public never knew about it. Prosecutors rightly made the call that revealing that information would have sabotaged their cases.
11:11 wrote:8bit, I'll go there as far as I'm able to comprehend, but there is no way in hell that the public, who doesn't hang out on conspiracy sites, or know about this stuff, is going to buy it. The learning curve is too steep. Can you even imagine a prosecution getting into non human entities? Prosecutions can only focus on evidence and actors - in the physical world. Try bringing this (the super evil occult) to the public and any chance of locking up any of these peolple will crash and burn. Of course, the cult knows that.
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