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If things were fairly obvious from observing, the world really would be flat.
AlicetheKurious wrote:If things were fairly obvious from observing, the world really would be flat.
Ah, yes! The old "who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?"
Presumably, rather than "observing", we should all get our talking points from right-wing racist web-sites like "Little Green Footballs" and that propaganda mouthpiece Con Coughlin, whom you've used as your own sources.
But, really, you don't come right out and say what you stand for. Are you condemning the Palestinians for fighting the illegal occupation of their lands, of opposing the zionist project that is predicated on their destruction?
What is your POINT? You seem to be suggesting that the Israelis are victims of the Palestinians, rather than the other way around, in defiance of all the facts (rapid Israeli territorial expansion into Arab lands, countless war crimes, the disproproportionate number of civilians, especially children, killed by Israelis, the economic siege of Palestinian civilians leading to severe malnutrition and a humanitarian crisis, etc., etc.)
What FACTS have you presented to support your defence of Israel and condemnation of its victims?
What LOGIC?
None so far. Just "facts" culled from racist web-sites and "logic" that assumes that some ethnic groups should be allowed to oppress, even destroy, others.
Doodad wrote:If things were fairly obvious from observing, the world really would be flat. This is the problem with blanket accusations such as yours. It has nothing to do with closed eyes; it has to do with identifying stereotypes which most would abhor were they spoken about any other group but Israelis.
theeKultleeder wrote:Doodad, you seem quite unaware of the subtleties of propaganda/counter-propaganda. It is one thing to denounce stereotypes and blanket-statements, it is quite another thing to denounce such things from one side while endorsing the same from the opposite end of the spectrum. I believe it's called "hypocrisy."
Doodad wrote:theeKultleeder wrote:Doodad, you seem quite unaware of the subtleties of propaganda/counter-propaganda. It is one thing to denounce stereotypes and blanket-statements, it is quite another thing to denounce such things from one side while endorsing the same from the opposite end of the spectrum. I believe it's called "hypocrisy."
Gee, I would agree. Now if you could just show me where I ENDORSED any stereotypes and blanket statements from one side? Thanks in advance.
Doodad wrote:If you have to use fabricated quotes there is something very wrong with you. You are hate mongering. It also means you are allowing yourself to be influenced by liars and makes anything you say very suspect.
You view is agenda driven rather than intellectually honest. If it were intellectually honest it could make its case without the fabrications and hateful sources.
If things were fairly obvious from observing, the world really would be flat. This is the problem with blanket accusations such as yours. It has nothing to do with closed eyes; it has to do with identifying stereotypes which most would abhor were they spoken about any other group but Israelis.
I get really tired of the Jew bashing that goes on around here
theeKultleeder wrote:Doodad wrote:If you have to use fabricated quotes there is something very wrong with you. You are hate mongering. It also means you are allowing yourself to be influenced by liars and makes anything you say very suspect.
You view is agenda driven rather than intellectually honest. If it were intellectually honest it could make its case without the fabrications and hateful sources.
If things were fairly obvious from observing, the world really would be flat. This is the problem with blanket accusations such as yours. It has nothing to do with closed eyes; it has to do with identifying stereotypes which most would abhor were they spoken about any other group but Israelis.
Orange = blanket statements.
Red = stereotypes.
FYI it seems most of your comments are a tapestry of blanket statements and stereotypes. Although I do appreciate your ferreting out of the misquotes and fabrications earlier in the thread. Good stuff.
You are welcome in advance.
theeKultleeder wrote:Doodad wrote:theeKultleeder wrote:Doodad, you seem quite unaware of the subtleties of propaganda/counter-propaganda. It is one thing to denounce stereotypes and blanket-statements, it is quite another thing to denounce such things from one side while endorsing the same from the opposite end of the spectrum. I believe it's called "hypocrisy."
Gee, I would agree. Now if you could just show me where I ENDORSED any stereotypes and blanket statements from one side? Thanks in advance.
It seems everybody but you sees it. You're welcome retroactively.
BTW I like how you always ignore the substantive portions of my comments and instead turn the conversation to your wonderful little self.
Da dah dahhhdahhh it's the Doodad Show!
Doodad wrote:theeKultleeder wrote:Doodad wrote:If you have to use fabricated quotes there is something very wrong with you. You are hate mongering. It also means you are allowing yourself to be influenced by liars and makes anything you say very suspect.
You view is agenda driven rather than intellectually honest. If it were intellectually honest it could make its case without the fabrications and hateful sources.
If things were fairly obvious from observing, the world really would be flat. This is the problem with blanket accusations such as yours. It has nothing to do with closed eyes; it has to do with identifying stereotypes which most would abhor were they spoken about any other group but Israelis.
Orange = blanket statements.
Red = stereotypes.
FYI it seems most of your comments are a tapestry of blanket statements and stereotypes. Although I do appreciate your ferreting out of the misquotes and fabrications earlier in the thread. Good stuff.
You are welcome in advance.
Bullshit, I sourced the fabrications which were the evidence of my premise and conclusion. That same evidence supports the other premises and conclusions.
And in truth, observations make nothing OBVIOUS, except supposition; it offers little else on its own. This is why people were able to calculate the world wasn't flat.
I think your universe may be just a little bit TOO alternative, Kult. I understand you want to be even handed but logic has to take the upper hand here to speculation given the pain involved in the original .debate
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