9/11 Foreshadowed by X-Files' "Lone Gunmen"?

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I haven't read 'Six Days of the Condor' but the movie 'Three Days of the Condor' is based on that book.

The CIA analyst character that Robert Redford plays says that 'the CIA reads everything and analyzes plots and characters to find covert plots and messages.'

That was back in 1974.

The FBI had unsuccessfully looked for the author of a bad porn book that seemed to be the script for the SLA-Patty Hearst events. The match was that close.

So 'Six Days of the Condor' may have been written to fictionalize that situation since the idea of scripted political events is dangerous to power. Can't have the kids knowing about psy-ops and generating psycho-political events.

This suggests that even if the writers of 'The Lone Gunmen' were just riffing on the WTC as Bullseye meme that had developed ever since 1993, the spooks would have noticed the script and thought, 'Putin did it so why can't we?'

People steal script ideas all the time.

[8bitagent]

Well it is weird, that someone behind the worlds biggest show based on conspiracy theories would think real life theories are "hogwash".

But this is how it went down.

In the 1990's "conspiracy theory beliefs" were mainstream and family entertainment. Men In Black, Xfiles, JFK, Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson, Roswell/Area51/Aliens/UFOs, Millennium, etc.

After 9/11, out those went and in came the anti terror pro government and pro authority shows.

Isnt it funny how all the anti government shows, be it Family Guy...Simpsons, Xfiles, American Dad, etc have mostly all been on Fox?

The shows with the strongest "the government is run by crooked elites"
messages in shows air on Fox..as in Fox News and Rupert Murdoch.

In other words, believing in alien coverups by the government, JFK inside job, etc has long been considered "safe".

Questioning the Iraq war and calling the neocons evil is mainstream.

But daring to question 9/11? Dangerous territory that even the left is against.

So yes, what you say is very plausible...but it also means that
what went down on 9/11 is close to the Lone Gunmen pilot if were assume it was "leaked" for a script.

OR...

it was leaked as preemptive muddying of waters, like Rumsfeld and his "missile" Freudian slips.

[FourthBase]

So yes, what you say is very plausible...but it also means that
what went down on 9/11 is close to the Lone Gunmen pilot if were assume it was "leaked" for a script.

OR...

it was leaked as preemptive muddying of waters, like Rumsfeld and his "missile" Freudian slips.

I'm inclined to say it was leaked to poison the well not muddy the waters.

[8bitagent]

I haven't read 'Six Days of the Condor' but the movie 'Three Days of the Condor' is based on that book.

The CIA analyst character that Robert Redford plays says that 'the CIA reads everything and analyzes plots and characters to find covert plots and messages.'

That was back in 1974.

The FBI had unsuccessfully looked for the author of a bad porn book that seemed to be the script for the SLA-Patty Hearst events. The match was that close.

So 'Six Days of the Condor' may have been written to fictionalize that situation since the idea of scripted political events is dangerous to power. Can't have the kids knowing about psy-ops and generating psycho-political events.

This suggests that even if the writers of 'The Lone Gunmen' were just riffing on the WTC as Bullseye meme that had developed ever since 1993, the spooks would have noticed the script and thought, 'Putin did it so why can't we?'

People steal script ideas all the time.

Its a chicken and the egg concept.

The Long Kiss Goodnight, a mainstream 1997 movie ends with a rogue agent saying that the WTC 1993 was a staged CIA plot, and that the next one will be "much bigger" killing at least 4000 people.

9/11 was in the planning for way longer than even the first draft of any Lone Gunmen scripts; so I dont think it was a case of Pentagon people saying "Well Putin just staged terror on his people, hey thats a great idea!"

No, there had to be a careful creation of the al Qaeda network to convince the world of the new post cold war threat.

Also, we are too assume staged terror is masterminded in the Pentagon or "the government" as we know it. I highly doubt that, Northwoods not withstanding.

[8bitagent]

So yes, what you say is very plausible...but it also means that
what went down on 9/11 is close to the Lone Gunmen pilot if were assume it was "leaked" for a script.

OR...

it was leaked as preemptive muddying of waters, like Rumsfeld and his "missile" Freudian slips.

I'm inclined to say it was leaked to poison the well not muddy the waters.

What do you make of Rumsfeld "slipping" and saying a missile hit the pentagon and a missile downed Flight 93? I consider it total disinfo, like how the media propigated the "Jews did 9/11 is a big belief" meme weeks after 9/11 to make any future 9/11 questioning seem buffoonish

[FourthBase]

So yes, what you say is very plausible...but it also means that
what went down on 9/11 is close to the Lone Gunmen pilot if were assume it was "leaked" for a script.

OR...

it was leaked as preemptive muddying of waters, like Rumsfeld and his "missile" Freudian slips.

I'm inclined to say it was leaked to poison the well not muddy the waters.

What do you make of Rumsfeld "slipping" and saying a missile hit the pentagon and a missile downed Flight 93? I consider it total disinfo, like how the media propigated the "Jews did 9/11 is a big belief" meme weeks after 9/11 to make any future 9/11 questioning seem buffoonish

Rumsfeld's slips were obvious disinfo, meant to muddy the waters and herd the dogs into barking up a wrong tree. I think the "Jews did it!" and "4,000 Israelis skipped work" disinfo memes were designed to 1. discredit all 9/11 skepticism with the taint of anti-semitism and 2. distract from the actual involvement (for whatever purpose) of military-intel Israeli Jews on 9/11.

I don't think the Lone Gunmen pilot is disinfo in the same way, because I happen to think that's pretty much exactly how and why 9/11 was carried out. Even if it wasn't carried out in exactly the same way, the plot itself is not the poison, the poison is the association with the X-Files.

[theeKultleeder]

Isnt it funny how all the anti government shows, be it Family Guy...Simpsons, Xfiles, American Dad, etc have mostly all been on Fox?

Huh?

[8bitagent]

Isnt it funny how all the anti government shows, be it Family Guy...Simpsons, Xfiles, American Dad, etc have mostly all been on Fox?

Huh?

Fox Corp is ran by Rupert Murdoch who also runs Fox News.

But all the shows with a heavy anti government bias are on Fox.

The Simpsons, Family Guy and American Dad always have full episodes
making fun of the post 9/11 world, bashing the Bush regime, saying how war is based on lies, etc. Xfiles too, of course another anti government show.
All on Fox. Just an interesting observation.

[8bitagent]

I think the "Jews did it!" and "4,000 Israelis skipped work" disinfo memes were designed to 1. discredit all 9/11 skepticism with the taint of anti-semitism and 2. distract from the actual involvement (for whatever purpose) of military-intel Israeli Jews on 9/11.

Pretty much.

That may have been one of the reasons for the cells of roaming white vans of Mossad agents playing the role of Arab terrorists in NYC, Florida and NJ on the morning and day of 9/11. The Comverse, ICTS and other Israeli communication and security firm *possible* involvement in 9/11, along with the Israeli spy network, Mossad following the hijackers, etc is so in your face and over the top...its a wonder more people dont talk about.
Not that I believe that "Israel", or any actual country was "behind" 9/11...merely elements of many countries were used.

[theeKultleeder]

Isnt it funny how all the anti government shows, be it Family Guy...Simpsons, Xfiles, American Dad, etc have mostly all been on Fox?

Huh?

Fox Corp is ran by Rupert Murdoch who also runs Fox News.

But all the shows with a heavy anti government bias are on Fox.

The Simpsons, Family Guy and American Dad always have full episodes
making fun of the post 9/11 world, bashing the Bush regime, saying how war is based on lies, etc. Xfiles too, of course another anti government show.
All on Fox. Just an interesting observation.

Oh. The "anti-government" phrase baffled me. I don't think that phrase describes any of them, least of all "Family Guy."

And actually, I haven't seen any of those shows bash Bush.

X-Files anti-government? Vaguely, very loosely.

Left-leaning shows? Yeah. But quite mainstream at the end of the day.

Conservatives learn to say 'ay carumba!'


By: Helena Andrews
Jul 27, 2007 10:32 AM EST


It was a moral quagmire no 10-year-old should be tortured by: On Thursdays at 8 o’clock, I could either pedal up Canyon Road to my Awana Club meeting, memorizing Bible verses for the chance to fasten a new pin on my vest, or stay home and watch “The Simpsons.”

Most weeks I chose eternal damnation.

In 1990, “The Simpsons” -- once crude drawings on the “The Tracey Ullman Show” and now rude heroes for the nation’s youth -- were borderline heretical.

In 1992, at the annual meeting of the National Religious Broadcasters association, former President George H.W. Bush famously vetoed the show: “We seek a nation that is closer to ‘The Waltons’ than to ‘The Simpsons.’”

When the show first debuted, the “moral majority” folks felt Fox was marketing bad manners to kids (“The Simpsons” reportedly sold 1 million T-shirts per week at the height of Bartmania). This was before “Adult Swim” and cartoons for grown-ups.

Nearly one-third of “The Simpsons’” adult audience describe themselves as conservative, according to the Simmons Research National Consumer Study conducted in fall 2006.

Of respondents who had viewed the show in the last week, about 34 percent said they were “any conservative,” compared to about 42 percent of average American adults who’d describe themselves the same way.

Conservative columnists have lauded Homer has a hero, and GOP strategists discovered that the show does well among young Republican male viewers. The experts say it’s because the longest-running sitcom in history paints every political gag with the same brush.

Many of the early shows were centered on the Bartman and his latest catchphrase, which was never “Mother, may I?”

He was the rude dude with a ’tude, and those on the right didn’t want their children eating each other’s shorts, having cows or underachieving, being proud of it and having a T-shirt to prove it.

“I remember that T-shirt,” laughed Marcus Skelton, D.C. Young Republicans’ chairman and national director of minority outreach, “and my parents saying, ‘There’s no way you’re getting that shirt.”

Friday, Evergreen Terrace is blowing up to fit the big screen in “The Simpsons Movie,” which involves Spider Pig, Bart’s doodle, the environment and President Arnold Schwarzenegger -- and right-wingers will be woohoo-ing it in the theater alongside all the heathens.

Bart must’ve slipped Bush Sr. an invisible pen, because almost a generation after his decree, the show has managed to attract a significant swath of young Republican males.

In 2004, according to an oft-cited Ad Age article and, later, Thomas B. Edsall’s “Building Red America,” Republican strategists used data gathered by Scarborough Research to trace the entertainment preferences of potential voters.

Matthew Dowd and crew used that info to sharpen the GOP’s media-buying budget, focusing on those shows that appealed to the “missing” Republicans.

What they found out was pretty simple and perhaps disquieting to fans of the subversive sitcom: Young Repubs really like “The Simpsons.” They even watch “South Park.”

“It doesn’t surprise me at all that these guys like it,” said Johanna Blakley, deputy director of the Norman Lear Center, a think tank based in Los Angeles that analyzes the impact of entertainment on society.

“It was a very calculated decision on the part of Rupert Murdoch to attract a young, male, educated audience,” added Blakley, “… and it totally worked.”

A reviewer of “The Simpsons Movie” wrote similarly in The Guardian this week: “Over the years, liberals have learned to clench their teeth and admit that it was News Corp.’s demon king Rupert Murdoch who sponsored the world’s greatest TV programme.”

Continue reading the article here:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0707/5127.html

[FourthBase]

I would describe the Simpsons, and especially Family Guy and American Dad, as nihilistic more than anti-government.

[Penguin]

So... did anybody HERE have any premonitions or dark forebodings about 9-11?

I had as well. Ive posted it here on some other thread before..I had a vivid waking dream at exactly the time it happened. Ive checked the time afterwards, the first plane hit at 15.46 my local time. At this moment I was walking in the city back towards my workplace at the time, having been on affairs out.

While walking I suddenly got a very vivid daydream, almost like a hallucination-quality vividness. I saw buildings on my both side erupt into massive flames/explosions and come tumbling down. I felt the disaster.

Then I continued on to work, and about an hour later my brother called me at work and told me what had happened. I instantly realised what I had seen an hour earlier in my minds eye.

After work, around 1700, I went to a nearby supermarket. There were tens of people staring at the electronics departments huge tvs, plane impacts replaying over and over. I was the only person even walking, everyone else stood fixed still and totally quiet. I felt a sense of something really wrong with it, felt like shouting something. Felt really oppressing.

I, for one, know a phenomenon like collective (un)consciousness to exist, I have experienced the reality of it on several occasions. I dont know what the mechanism of this phenomenon is, but it is real, I have empirical subjective proof of its reality and thats all that matters to me I believe that time I autonomously tapped into it when it was happening since it was resonating so strongly thru so many minds synchronized to concetrate on the incident thru mass media.

On edit: on thinking more, it couldnt have only been a media concentration effect on the collective, since I too experienced this as is was happening, and not a little while later...As many others who had premonitions. It must be more like a ripple effect going in all directions of a splash, time irrespective. And what little we know of time, what little indeed...

[professorpan]

That's where I draw the line with people on this forum. I'm sorry, say that again: Tapping into a psychic grid of ideas seems more plausible than actual advanced knowledge somehow leaking to writers of the world's #1 conspiracy-themed TV show who have a history of collaborating on story ideas with agents from the FBI and NASA?

What's much more plausible, especially taking into account the details in my previous post, is that the idea of flying hijacked planes into the WTC wasn't an outrageous idea. It is not surprising to me that the writers of the Lone Gunmen might tap into a scenario that had already been envisioned by others, including the U.S. government.

Granted, the Lone Gunmen episode came very close to the actual events. But the idea of the WTC being the focus of terrorist attacks was widespread, particularly after the first bombing. Barring evidence to the contrary -- and I have seen none, other that guilt-by-association of the writers to individuals in government -- it seems most plausible that the similarities are coincidental.

[professorpan]

And actually, I haven't seen any of those shows bash Bush.

I can only speak about the Simpsons, because I don't watch any of the other shows. But the Simpsons actually ridiculed Bush the elder back in the day, and there have been many jokes/criticisms of GWB, the war in Iraq, etc. The writers are smart, savvy guys, so it's not surprising.

I think Murdoch cares little about the content, as long as the money keeps rolling in.

[Penguin]

Inoculation


inoculate, inoculating, inoculated
1. To communicate a disease by inoculation.
2. To bud; to insert, or graft, as the bud of a tree or plant in another tree or plant.
3. To insert a foreign bud into; as, to inoculate a tree.
4. To communicate a disease to (a person) by inserting infectious matter in the skin or flesh; such as, to inoculate a person with the virus of smallpox, rabies, etc.
5. To introduce into the mind; used especially of harmful ideas or principles.
6. To imbue; such as, to inoculate someone with treason or infidelity.
7. Etymology: from Latin inoculatus, past participle of inoculare "to ingraft"; in-, "in, on" + oculare "to furnish with eyes", from oculus, "an eye"; also, "a bud".
inoculation
5. Informal, a preemptive advertising tactic in which one party attempts to foresee and neutralize potentially damaging criticism from another party by being the first to confront troublesome issues.

An interesting idea...Maybe precognition, premonitions and visions can act as inoculation against the effects of events like 9/11 (or any type of experience otherwise) ? I for one surely viewed the whole thing with different eyes from the beginning than most people around, not in the least part because I made the connection between my "outside normal channels" experience of it firsthand. It gave the event a dark foreboding, like a warning from the mind: watch out! Keep eyes open! Danger ahead!