9/11 Foreshadowed by X-Files' "Lone Gunmen"?

[FourthBase]

What hack writer worth his salt couldn't come up with bombing New York City with a plane?

Who did? And specifically, the WTC.

[theeKultleeder]

What hack writer worth his salt couldn't come up with bombing New York City with a plane?

Who did? And specifically, the WTC.

If I had the answer, I would tell you.

But:

In the 1993 World Trade Center bombing (February 26, 1993) a car bomb was detonated by Radical Islamic terrorists in the underground parking garage below Tower One of the World Trade Center in New York City. The 1,500-lb (680 kg) urea nitrate-fuel oil device was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into Tower Two, bringing both towers down and killing 250,000 people. [1] It failed to do so, but did kill six people and injured 1,042

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing

[FourthBase]

How is that crashing a plane into it? It's not. Still waiting.

[8bitagent]

Well, yeah, I was GONNA say that...

Looking at lineages, the CIA's parent agency OSS was largely created and trained by British intelligence; MI6 and MI5 have long ties to Muslim Brotherhood (basically, they created it as a stay-behind), and many or most of the models of covert action, disinfo and etc. that we find come from Britain, just as our modern world commerce system derives from the activities in the Square Mile. Radical Islamic revival? mosques in London. World-spanning empire, greatest since Roman Empire, country without constitution and where elite get enormous special privileges and, essentially, their own House of Parliament? Country mostly responsible for bringing Western civilization to the four corners of the Earth? Country that hasn't been invaded by land in God knows how long, that hasn't been the subject of a revolution in, what, 300+ years? Anglo-American conspiracy?

I'm not Lyndon Larouche, but it often seems that most paths lead back to London. Oh yeah, I forgot, origin of Freemasonry.

Oh let's be honest. London is one of the main arteries of all this mess.

It was Abu Hamza and his Finsbury mosque in London that was outed as an MI6/MI5 recruitment hut, where Moussaoui, Shoebomber, etc came from

The mosques in Hamberg and Spain as well that recruited some of the star 9/11 players and Pakisani jihadists for future missions has been proven to have used high level brainwashing mind control techniques(PBS Frontline "Al Qaeda's New Front, 2004) AND has been outed as MI6 controlled

The 7/7 operation looked to be a joint MI6/ISI/Mossad operation, as Pakistan is always used as the "monster factory"

Im sure if you look back through time, Wahhabists and even 11th century Nizari assassin cults in the middle east were traced right back to England. Someone more articulate and well read than I could make a great case of Salafi Wahhabists in Saudi Arabia being nothing more than pawns of the English establishment

Look at Hitler, he may have bombed London but there's no doubt that London financial was at the nexus of Third Reich funding.

Now then, you mention stay behind networks.

Turkey's leading paper quotes Turkish intelligence as calling al Qaeda a strategy of tension network for the Western elite
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detay ... link=22982

[8bitagent]

What hack writer worth his salt couldn't come up with bombing New York City with a plane?

Who did? And specifically, the WTC.

If I had the answer, I would tell you.

But:

In the 1993 World Trade Center bombing (February 26, 1993) a car bomb was detonated by Radical Islamic terrorists in the underground parking garage below Tower One of the World Trade Center in New York City. The 1,500-lb (680 kg) urea nitrate-fuel oil device was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into Tower Two, bringing both towers down and killing 250,000 people. [1] It failed to do so, but did kill six people and injured 1,042

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing

Carried out by the CIA using Ali Mohammed, Mujahadid Menepta, FBI agent John Anticev, Emad Salem and paid for and bought CIA Mujahadeen dregs.

The "WTC as a target" and "planes used as a weapon into WTC" comes from the CIA visa vis Ali Mohammed, finding its way into "Bojinka"

[professorpan]

From my previous post on this thread (though the usatoday link no longer works):

www.usatoday.com/news/was...orad_x.htm

In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties. One of the imagined targets was the World Trade Center. In another exercise, jets performed a mock shootdown over the Atlantic Ocean of a jet supposedly laden with chemical poisons headed toward a target in the United States. In a third scenario, the target was the Pentagon — but that drill was not run after Defense officials said it was unrealistic, NORAD and Defense officials say.

So even the government had simulations of EXACTLY what happened.

Also, a 1999 analysis warned of suicide plane hijackings.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/ ... 9488.shtml

And the history of attempts to use planes as weapons:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... i_96268286

Al Qaeda had planned attacks in London, Paris, Marseilles, Strasbourg, Singapore, and Rome, but most of the conspirators were arrested a short time after the Sept. 11 attacks. Meanwhile, no one had hijacked an aircraft in the U.S. using a "real" weapon in almost 15 years, although crashing planes into structures is not new. The Israelis shot down a Libyan jetliner they said was headed for a building in Tel Aviv in the 1980s. A Cessna 150 fell 50 yards short of the White House in September, 1994. French commandos prevented a jumbo jet, hijacked in Algeria by the Armed Islamic Group, from crashing into the Eiffel Tower the following December. In the mid 1990s, terrorist Ramzi Yousef plotted to have his friend Abdul Hakim Murad fly a light plane loaded with chemical weapons into CIA headquarters at Langley, Va., or to have him spray the area with poison gas. A Turkish hijacker attempted to crash an aircraft into the tomb of former Pres. Kemal Ataturk in Ankara in 1998. With enhanced security on at airports and passengers on commercial airliners who will react to any danger, this threat has diminished.

And you think a group of conspiracy writers couldn't have come up with the idea of flying planes into buildings?!

[8bitagent]

From my previous post on this thread (though the usatoday link no longer works):

www.usatoday.com/news/was...orad_x.htm

In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties. One of the imagined targets was the World Trade Center. In another exercise, jets performed a mock shootdown over the Atlantic Ocean of a jet supposedly laden with chemical poisons headed toward a target in the United States. In a third scenario, the target was the Pentagon — but that drill was not run after Defense officials said it was unrealistic, NORAD and Defense officials say.

So even the government had simulations of EXACTLY what happened.

Also, a 1999 analysis warned of suicide plane hijackings.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/ ... 9488.shtml

And the history of attempts to use planes as weapons:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... i_96268286

Al Qaeda had planned attacks in London, Paris, Marseilles, Strasbourg, Singapore, and Rome, but most of the conspirators were arrested a short time after the Sept. 11 attacks. Meanwhile, no one had hijacked an aircraft in the U.S. using a "real" weapon in almost 15 years, although crashing planes into structures is not new. The Israelis shot down a Libyan jetliner they said was headed for a building in Tel Aviv in the 1980s. A Cessna 150 fell 50 yards short of the White House in September, 1994. French commandos prevented a jumbo jet, hijacked in Algeria by the Armed Islamic Group, from crashing into the Eiffel Tower the following December. In the mid 1990s, terrorist Ramzi Yousef plotted to have his friend Abdul Hakim Murad fly a light plane loaded with chemical weapons into CIA headquarters at Langley, Va., or to have him spray the area with poison gas. A Turkish hijacker attempted to crash an aircraft into the tomb of former Pres. Kemal Ataturk in Ankara in 1998. With enhanced security on at airports and passengers on commercial airliners who will react to any danger, this threat has diminished.

And you think a group of conspiracy writers couldn't have come up with the idea of flying planes into buildings?!

Well one has to ask, whose writing "al Qaeda"'s scripts?

[theeKultleeder]

How is that crashing a plane into it? It's not. Still waiting.

With something like two decades of an Islamic-radical history of hijacking planes PLUS bombing attempts on the WTC, in an attempt to bring the towers down, it is no strained stretch of the imagination that could put the two things together.

That is how the creative mind works.

[FourthBase]

From my previous post on this thread (though the usatoday link no longer works):

www.usatoday.com/news/was...orad_x.htm

In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties. One of the imagined targets was the World Trade Center. In another exercise, jets performed a mock shootdown over the Atlantic Ocean of a jet supposedly laden with chemical poisons headed toward a target in the United States. In a third scenario, the target was the Pentagon — but that drill was not run after Defense officials said it was unrealistic, NORAD and Defense officials say.

So even the government had simulations of EXACTLY what happened.

Also, a 1999 analysis warned of suicide plane hijackings.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/ ... 9488.shtml

And the history of attempts to use planes as weapons:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... i_96268286

Al Qaeda had planned attacks in London, Paris, Marseilles, Strasbourg, Singapore, and Rome, but most of the conspirators were arrested a short time after the Sept. 11 attacks. Meanwhile, no one had hijacked an aircraft in the U.S. using a "real" weapon in almost 15 years, although crashing planes into structures is not new. The Israelis shot down a Libyan jetliner they said was headed for a building in Tel Aviv in the 1980s. A Cessna 150 fell 50 yards short of the White House in September, 1994. French commandos prevented a jumbo jet, hijacked in Algeria by the Armed Islamic Group, from crashing into the Eiffel Tower the following December. In the mid 1990s, terrorist Ramzi Yousef plotted to have his friend Abdul Hakim Murad fly a light plane loaded with chemical weapons into CIA headquarters at Langley, Va., or to have him spray the area with poison gas. A Turkish hijacker attempted to crash an aircraft into the tomb of former Pres. Kemal Ataturk in Ankara in 1998. With enhanced security on at airports and passengers on commercial airliners who will react to any danger, this threat has diminished.

And you think a group of conspiracy writers couldn't have come up with the idea of flying planes into buildings?!

How in the FUCK are those examples of pop culture?

Where. Are. The. Examples.

[FourthBase]

How is that crashing a plane into it? It's not. Still waiting.

With something like two decades of an Islamic-radical history of hijacking planes PLUS bombing attempts on the WTC, in an attempt to bring the towers down, it is no strained stretch of the imagination that could put the two things together.

That is how the creative mind works.

It's no stretch, sure.

So why was the Lone Gunmen pilot the only cultural instance of it?
And if it was the only instance, how is that "not at all unusual"?

[theeKultleeder]

So why was the Lone Gunmen pilot the only cultural instance of it?
And if it was the only instance, how is that "not at all unusual"?

It wasn't. Go back to page one of this thread and review.

Seriously, I don't mean to be condescending, but your question has been covered on this thread already.

Look, when people are participating in a shared intellectual environment, sometimes ideas that are similar or even exactly alike form in different heads. And with satellite and cable and all sorts of international news, bin Laden and the Gunmen writers were sharing the same (or parts of the same) intellectual culture.

It is quite conceivable that the idea was developed independently in both camps. They shared a moment in history. Unfortunately, truth is more brutal than fiction...

[Seventhsonjr]

So why was the Lone Gunmen pilot the only cultural instance of it?
And if it was the only instance, how is that "not at all unusual"?

It wasn't. Go back to page one of this thread and review.

Seriously, I don't mean to be condescending, but your question has been covered on this thread already. 8)

Look, when people are participating in a shared intellectual environment, sometimes ideas that are similar or even exactly alike form in different heads. And with satellite and cable and all sorts of international news, bin Laden and the Gunmen writers were sharing the same (or parts of the same) intellectual culture.

It is quite conceivable that the idea was developed independently in both camps. They shared a moment in history. Unfortunately, truth is more brutal than fiction...

We can kick this dead horse around a lot and it won't change anyone's opinion that - in my case - I believe that the lone gunman episode was DESIGNED in advance to discredit those who would later say that the top spooks in our government were behind 9-11.

Inoculation theory, to me, is the most plausible explanation of the scary accurateness of the episode which occurred in reality on 9-11.

Sure coincidence theory is a possibility here, It is not a huge stretch to say it MAY have been a coincidence,

But I believe that the parallels are simply too great to ignore what I believe is the LIKELIHOOD that the story was planted for the primary purpose of discreditting conspiracy theorists who saw the bloody hands of Bush and Cheney involved in the carrying out of the 9-11 attacks.

I guess I am trying to drum into this board the extent of the use of inoculation in black or psyops. I think this is a good example of it even though absolute proof may not be there, plenty of evidence IS there that this is the case. I think the argument for a planned psyop of inoculation was at work in this case is very strong.

[thurnundtaxis]

Seventhson JR:

what I believe is the LIKELIHOOD that the story was planted for the primary purpose of discrediting conspiracy theorists who saw the bloody hands of Bush and Cheney involved in the carrying out of the 9-11 attacks.

I think its safe to say that the whole X-Files t.v. series was green-lighted with the primary purpose of discrediting conspiracy research en mass. The internet was just beginning to show its unique ability to give a forum to suppressed histories and present them to an informed and growing audience. The days of small press publications, newsletters, and 'zines had coalesced into an alternative data landslide via the web. It was inevitable that this type of anti-establishment ungoverned information flow would filter out beyond the web-savvy and begin to influence mainstream culture at large. Chris Carter may very well have been acting like any other well informed creative writer of his day, mining alt.culture . But the show was, after all, funded by FOX networks...

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

.....I believe that the lone gunman episode was DESIGNED in advance to discredit those who would later say that the top spooks in our government were behind 9-11.

Inoculation theory, to me, is the most plausible explanation of the scary accurateness of the episode which occurred in reality on 9-11.

.....
I guess I am trying to drum into this board the extent of the use of inoculation in black or psyops. I think this is a good example of it even though absolute proof may not be there, plenty of evidence IS there that this is the case. I think the argument for a planned psyop of inoculation was at work in this case is very strong.

100% right, seventhsonjr. Mnemonic inoculation is exactly what I've found to be all over mainstream media, especially TV and movies. Movies are almost nothing but because the USG has a growing pile of garbage to cover-up and so we are inoculated against seeing it.

Inoculation Theory is exactly what is behind the use of keyword hijacking and semantic dismemberment and decoy movies, to pre-bias cognition to benign fictional narratives at the expense of hostile non-fiction narratives. Few can tell the difference.

A black FBI agent named Don Wilson found a note in a car allegedly used by James Earl Ray which implicated the FBI in the murder of Martin Luther King. So Wilson pocketed it and stayed mum because he realized the FBI at the time was like the KKK. Soon he quit the FBI and only came forward with his evidence and testimony for a 1997 civic trial that resulted in a jury reaching the verdict that the US government killed Martin Luther King.

This black FBI agent with the note from the past is both invoked and discredited in the 1997 movie, 'Conspiracy Theory,' the 1997 television show, 'Spawn,' and the 2006 movie, 'Deja Vu.'

In 'Deja Vu' Denzel Washington evokes yet another black law official, Oklahoma police officer Terrance Yeakey. Yeakey was first on the scene of the Murrah building bombing who realized the OKC bombing was an inside job, investigated, and was tortured and murdered yet his death was declared a 'suicide.'

So both 'Conspiracy Theory' and 'Deja Vu' inoculate the audience against incriminating components of narratives including JFK-RFK-MLK-OKC-Katrina.

Inoculation Theory.
Mnemonic Inoculation.

They dont' want us to forget. They want us to not be able to see.

[theeKultleeder]

I think its safe to say that the whole X-Files t.v. series was green-lighted with the primary purpose of discrediting conspiracy research en mass.

I think it's even safer to say that conspiracy culture is chock-full of so many interesting ideas and themes that it only took a talent like Chris Carter to mine it for gold.

75% of conspiracy theories are fiction, anyway, so where's the harm?

Besides, the show started off with more of a Weekly World News/National Enquirer feel than a John Judge feel. The first few seasons dealt more with monsters and bigfeets than it did with UFOs. And it never really strayed far beyond that.