If David Icke's "reptilian humanoid" routine is a

[philipacentaur]

the thing that gets me about all this is the defamation of reptiles. reptiles defend a territory just big enough to support them, only kill what they need to eat, and even have consensual sex!

why do people take traits only found in humans and project them as being alien or from outside? we're so ignorant about our nature and the worlds of other creatures.

so, anyone here have any proof about the reptilian nature of our rulers they'd like to share with the board, seeing as we have some 'true believers' here?

Agreed, we can learn a lot from examining the way other species live and behave. And yes, proof would be nice -- even something approaching proof.

[philipacentaur]

Seems to me like he's just sitting outside by the entrance to the warren.

Definitely. And he will tell you a bunch of shit about what's in there that he blatantly pulled out of his ass. Icke is a science fiction writer. Science fiction writers with cult followings that think the science fiction is real... does that sound familiar?

Very familiar, but skipping the obvious, that would still be sizable list.

[Searcher08]

Bite me.

On your "Holy Shillelagh"? No thanks, I'm spoken for.

Try learning to read - I said Tsarion was an interesting guy - I did not say I agreed with a lot of what he said, or is that distinction a bit too much for your superficial scanning?

Where is the post with my "rabid" defence of Tsarion?

No, I read all of it. I'm quite a good reader, and I do it all the time. Okay, maybe not "rabid" -- I tend to veer into hyperbole and assholery when I have a severe sleep deficit. What's your excuse?

Whenever I see any of his work, I am always reminded of the information provided by people like Kay Griggs and Dee Carone - the dark intersection of military intel, Zionist mafia and mind control.

There must be a reason that Tsarion reminds you of these things. I wonder what that reason is. Actually, I don't.

You just stepped in here because you have an axe to grind, and your entree was in the form of feigning disinterest. Get to discussing or fuck off.

I have no axe to grind at all - my Zzzzz was actually a mispost and was not intended for this fekkin thread, so sorry about that.

My excuse is I have something else I should be doing but instead I am having a full and frank exchange with you as a distraction

My only intersection with Tsarion was watching one video that was recommended by 8bit over at the loosechange forums about six months ago. His take on things reminded me of Zeitgeist - the first third I was underwhelmed by, the second two thirds I loved. The numerology, astrology, Vatican thing - I'm neutral about.

As for Icke, I feel sorry for him - he appears to have been royally screwed over by his business partner, lives very modestly in a small flat and is in major pain with arthritis a lot of the time. I know a couple of people who worked with him years ago (pre 9-11); they said he was actually a very nice guy, but the atmosphere was pretty gloomy and they left because it was a bit of a downer. They said his main issue was he could be manipulated by people like Arizona Wilder (who I consider a disinfo artist / mentally ill)

As for the Reptile thing, I think we know zip about how aliens interact with humans (in terms of their motivation, culture etc) There are probably e.t. interactions with races that look like demons whose presence makes humans freak but which could be 'angelic' - other races could be very beautiful and make us feel - love or whatever, but ultimately look on us as food.

As a far out thought, if there are advanced lizards, maybe they are ultra-terrestrial rather than extra. I have always been slightly skeptical about the dinos getting wiped out. Hey, Ive seen Jurassic Park - it's going to take more than a measly Chicxelub to wipe out them Velociraptor critters

[lunarose]

hello searcher.

'As for the Reptile thing, I think we know zip about how aliens interact with humans (in terms of their motivation, culture etc) There are probably e.t. interactions with races that look like demons whose presence makes humans freak but which could be 'angelic' - other races could be very beautiful and make us feel - love or whatever, but ultimately look on us as food.

As a far out thought, if there are advanced lizards, maybe they are ultra-terrestrial rather than extra. I have always been slightly skeptical about the dinos getting wiped out. Hey, Ive seen Jurassic Park - it's going to take more than a measly Chicxelub to wipe out them Velociraptor critters Cool'

so basically you think its a neat-o idea that can't be ruled out or in? so why is Icke presenting it as fact, do you think? (i've read a substantial amount of his work).

p.s. we (humans as a whole) know a lot more than zip.

[philipacentaur]

Thanks for sincerely engaging in the discussion, I do appreciate it. It does seem like Icke is readily lead any which way by others. Thank you for giving an example. But yeah, as I've already stated, I feel sorry for him too just as I feel sorry for those who fall under his influence.

As for your first response on this thread, it certainly did look as though it was intentional.

Yeah, thank for enlightening me with such needle sharp observations about Icke. . ZZzzzzz.....
Can I have my last 30 seconds back?

If that's how you really felt, fine.

[Searcher08]

Actually, that comment of mine was snarky and quite inaccurate, In fact when looking back over this thread I actually have no idea why I posted that - which sounds really lame
I need a coffee break!

[philipacentaur]

Actually, that comment of mine was snarky and quite inaccurate, In fact when looking back over this thread I actually have no idea why I posted that - which sounds really lame :(
I need a coffee break!

Aye, I'm having one now, myself. If only the coffee would ease my aching joints and tendons. Sadly, my preferred remedy for that is illegal.

[Searcher08]

I just watched video of some of the information from Arizona Wilder which made its way into The Biggest Secret and AFAIK was the main source of the Reptile meme.

Her body language, her reports of her therapy indicate to me she is being "economical with the truth" - she may have been abused , be a MK-Ultra victim, but still being "run". She appears to be in some sort of dissociative state.

[philipacentaur]

I just watched video of some of the information from Arizona Wilder which made its way into The Biggest Secret and AFAIK was the main source of the Reptile meme.

Her body language, her reports of her therapy indicate to me she is being "economical with the truth" - she may have been abused , be a MK-Ultra victim, but still being "run". She appears to be in some sort of dissociative state.

It's possible that she's got mental problems, too. The human animal malfunctions often enough on it's own. For some, it starts with anything as simple long term sleep deprivation or extremely low blood sugar; maybe an organic brain disorder, something like post-traumatic stress, cumulative anxiety or any of the above, coupled with impaired reason and fantastic ideation -- perhaps triggered or reinforced by convincing fiction or imagery -- who knows. What I do know is that reciprocal delusion-feeding is sad, and there's not much that can be done about it.

[Joe Hillshoist]

"Interestingly the term mutwa in manda (1.a Dravidian language of southern India. 2.an aboriginal language of Australia.) also means chief or king."

I got this from http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Manda and http://www.websters-online-dictionary.o ... tion/mutwa

Joe, you certainly do have a lot of interesting stories.

Thanks for the links. Unfortunately wiki doesn't give details as to which language.

My old man speaks hindi and its amazing how similar it sounds to a number of aboriginal australian languages. Same rhythms, same sounds etc etc. And I know all black people look the same, ..I mean don't, but the similarity between people from certain groups in Australia and some Indians is freaky. They look like family members.

I have also heard various stories of interactions between India and Australia pre 1788. Thats why I am interested in the connection between them.

Ianeye, I've never seen Donnie Darko. I don't watch many movies, but a few people have suggested I should watch that one.

I used to think it had something to do with how black trackers did their thing. Having heard rumours of trackers following people along bitumen roads and across hard rock surfaces. But I've spent time in the bush with blackfellas who say things like "That rocks out of place, someones been here in the last six months..." So perhaps it plays a part, but so does careful observation and an intimate knowledge of the area.

[philipacentaur]

Regarding the linguistic thing, some people (unfortunately David Berg is included in that set) regard the Romani language as a possible carrier for certain anomalous coincidences of language in disparate cultures.

[Joe Hillshoist]

That would make some sense...

My old man did a personal study on the relationship between M (mmm) and words for mother in a variety of languages.

He found it turned up across the world from Europe to the Pacific, however I think he didn't check North east asian languages and new world ones. He, being Indian, related it to cows making moo sounds and a cows obvious role as supplier of milk for its kids, and human kids whose mothers couldn't supply milk for whatever reason. Doesn't really explain the South pacific people having the same connection tho.

I doubt the Rom made the trip from the sub continent to Australia, either, but you never know.

Bali is a Hindu island, predominantly, and its not that far from the mainland of Aus to be completely out of the question. (There is a history of trade between the NW/Kimberly region and Top End/Northern Territory, and the Islands of the Indonesian archipelago that goes back well.)

However that doesn't explain why people on the East Coast, where I live specifically, have stories about wars between them and indians that got so bad the Indian ocean was put there to seperate them.

Sorry this doesn't have alot to do with David Icke does it...

[rrapt]

If yr looking for proof Lunarose, look no further than Dick Cheney. I've never seen him shape-shift, but they never put that on the teevee do they. Shooting his hunting companion in the face is close enough for me. Oh right, that wasn't on teevee either. In my flawed judgement Cheney has alien blood and was more-or-less bred for the job.

Another interesting character is Wolfowitz. He hasn't been so good at staying off camera when little tells of his half-humanity show up, like the famous comb-licking scene. I know, it doesn't sound very serious, but he was on teevee at the time playing world leader role. Plus I see the clan arrogance when Condi hires him for another fat public officialdom after he fucked up so bad at the World Bank. Ya gotta wonder huh. He's in the club.

There was one other striking tell, this time with Rumsfeld a couple of years ago when he was still SecDef, in an interview on camera. I can't recall the exact words he used, but at that unguarded moment he let the cat outa the bag. I did a double-take - Omigawd this shitbag just proved he is no more than half human!

Take those little items along with tons of others we have seen and heard, the most glaring of which is Cheney's continuous secret criminal life complete with successful stonewalling, retaining power. I need no more proof than that. Or I suppose you could say its just a bunch of old fartbags playing with power for fun?

---another true believer

[lunarose]

howdy rrapt.

so they're evil. no argument here.

how does that equal reptilian? people down through the ages have excelled at oppressing others and comitting all type of violence. its much more characteristic of humans than snakes and lizards, and tortoises for that matter.

[orz]

interactions with races that look like demons whose presence makes humans freak but which could be 'angelic'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood's_End