New photo up on The Johnny Gosch Foundation site

[shefner]

timetunneler, I see a connection. Matter of fact, Paul Bonacci himself (and other like Troy Boner) admitted that they were "used" to blackmail politicians. I think you mean a bigger blackmail than this though.

Did you see the pics with Bush whispering into Jeff Gannon's ear? And kissing the top of his bald head? Too strange!

Not to be too controversial again but Rusty Nelson said he felt certain that Gannon and Gosch are one and the same. I'm not so sure about that but....

[timetunneler]

timetunneler, I see a connection. Matter of fact, Paul Bonacci himself (and other like Troy Boner) admitted that they were "used" to blackmail politicians. I think you mean a bigger blackmail than this though.

Did you see the pics with Bush whispering into Jeff Gannon's ear? And kissing the top of his bald head? Too strange!

Not to be too controversial again but Rusty Nelson said he felt certain that Gannon and Gosch are one and the same. I'm not so sure about that but....

I'm just curious to know where that angle of it leads. To WHO it leads. Then I think you would get to the bottom of the "UFO" photos on the Gosch site, why Jeff Gannon was injected into the media circus... why he willingly involved himself in the Gosch stuff. Personally I think they are blackmailing people. Gannon came on the scene right before the Iraq war about Feb. 2003. To blackmail the right people into go along with the war? Don't know buy my spider sense tells me this whole mess is about blackmailing people into compliance... like the Elliot Spitzer stuff in the news right now.

[shefner]

timetunneler, I see a connection. Matter of fact, Paul Bonacci himself (and other like Troy Boner) admitted that they were "used" to blackmail politicians. I think you mean a bigger blackmail than this though.

Did you see the pics with Bush whispering into Jeff Gannon's ear? And kissing the top of his bald head? Too strange!

Not to be too controversial again but Rusty Nelson said he felt certain that Gannon and Gosch are one and the same. I'm not so sure about that but....

I'm just curious to know where that angle of it leads. To WHO it leads. Then I think you would get to the bottom of the "UFO" photos on the Gosch site, why Jeff Gannon was injected into the media circus... why he willingly involved himself in the Gosch stuff. Personally I think they are blackmailing people. Gannon came on the scene right before the Iraq war about Feb. 2003. To blackmail the right people into go along with the war? Don't know buy my spider sense tells me this whole mess is about blackmailing people into compliance... like the Elliot Spitzer stuff in the news right now.

Wow that's a good thought. Don't you think all of this leads straight to the top of the ladder, regardless of whether its a democrat or republican? Surely there are some in top positions who know Gannon and if he is linked to Gosch or not. If certain someones did not go along with the war, then what would Gannon do to "embarrass" or "ruin" these people?

[shefner]

Oh yeah, and I think that any UFO related material could be linked to those who have a connection to Offutt AirForce Base and the Strategic Air Command (the "safest" place on earth?).

Ritual Child Abuse has been linked to Offutt for quite some time....

[compared2what?]

Saint Joseph's Home for Children looks like it is the king of the hill in the boy's-home/troubled-child treatment in the Twin Cities area.

I see an allegation of sexual harassment there by an adult woman against her supervisor, in a case she didn't win. And a settlement by a diocese in Vermont to someone who had been abused at a Saint Joseph's orphanage there, although the latter is really barely of any relevance to the outfit in Minnesota.

Anyway. Was Saint Joe's the orphanage DeCamp was in?

[compared2what?]

Many, many allegations of abuse by teens against many, many priests at Saint John's Abbey. It's Benedictine, has a monastery, dioceses include St. Cloud and St. Paul/Minneapolis, it looks like.

So maybe this is the orphanage in question? They have a boarding school.

[stackdag]

Hate to beat a dead horse here...

But this bloody British bloke dickdecent's brilliant reply warrants a response

My post was about defending et and others' position of being able to moot and examine other ideas/theories in the light of the caribou picture and naturally enough I still defend that...

If you defend statements and conjecture such as the following...

It's fucking disgusting if you ask me. She's whoring her own son.

Honestly, I don't think someone can go that far off the edge to be so perverse if they aren't involved to some degree with what happened.

Has anyone pondered the potential role of this woman in her own child's kidnapping?

...Noreen is using this angle as a distraction. What would Noreen's role have been in a kidnapping scenario...

The only thing I can think of is if she murdered the boy and tried to cover it with a kidnapping,

Are you saying Noreen induced some kids to pose like that to bolster her pedo ring theory?

I just think it's a mistake to automatically assume she's not involved.

...you can go ahead and defend that tripe dickdecent.

I stand by my statement that I think that kind of discussion is in bad taste and disrespectful to the victims involved, both mother and child.

Of course I probably shouldn't expect a young buck like yourself to even know what good taste means since you're from the U.K.

And the kicker is...ALL this bullshit speculation was based upon someone pointing out that the text on the laundry bag in the most recent photo "looked doctored".

SO we go from THAT to THIS:

The only thing I can think of is if she murdered the boy and tried to cover it with a kidnapping,

And you really expect Noreen Gosch to post on here and talk about the case????


Dickdecent said:

As for all these strange personal attacks about me being a "psychic new age" person, and this sort of stuff: ...I think it's pretty unnecessary and offensive, and particularly useless on a thread like this...

I think the aforementioned strange little bullcrap "theories" are pretty unecessary, OFFENSIVE, and particularly useless on a thread like this as well, which is WHY I made my ORIGINAL posting, which you then took it upon yourself to attack with an utterly ridiculous and hostile reply.

My point in the original post being...
before people speculate and accuse this woman of murdering her son and staging photographs of kidnapped kids, remember that she went on a crusade in the 1980's to help protect children from being abducted and exploited. Simple, plain logic.

...and yet you continue to defend the aforementioned conjectures and statements?

Seems like you're the one who's not getting the point.
Or maybe you just can't understand why theorizing that a kidnap victim's mother actually killed her own son and lied about it is really quite tacky?

If however, you feel you just can't post without childish personal attacks, calling fellow posters "fuck" and all the other outrageous flaming... well ... just don't post matey.

We have a saying in the states, it goes as such...

"If the shoe fits, wear it..."

You're a fuck, a limey fuck. So that's what I'll call you. In fact you're a barmy barmpot with small manky bollocks. I bet you're a complete minger as well you naff pillock.

I hope you can understand my point matey.

Now you can sit back and shut your bloody trap like the munter you are.
Fuck off.





BTW back to the actual topic, I heard somewhere Gannon was allegedly involved in the whole Valerie Plame CIA agent scandal through TALON news or some such thing.

I'd also like to know more about the whole Patricia Johnson Holme (or whatever her name was) issue. She came out right around the time the Gosch photograph story was originally breaking, and I personally felt she discredited the case to certain extent. Anyone have more info on this?

As far as Gunderson goes, I don't know what to think. Desertfae seems to think he's on the up and up, or at least on the right side of things. But who really knows? I have the book "The Mystery of the Carefully Crafted Hoax" in which Gunderson has written the foreword, and it all seems okay to me.

If people have a problem with Gunderson's "satanic-panic" vibe, then why are you interested in Franklin/Gosch? Bonacci's testominy is rife with satanic ritual experiences...

[sunny]

Whoa there stackdag, if you are going to hold me up for ridicule and condemnation, the least you could do is provide the whole quote:

Damn, you are really getting deep here. Are you saying Noreen induced some kids to pose like that to bolster her pedo ring theory? That's pretty ugly, but being a cynic I won't rule it out completely. Stil,[sic] I would prefer not to believe it and hope that she is sincerely trying to expose these rings.

The first bolded part of the above quote should be read aloud using an incredulous tone. The second bolded part speaks for itself.

But what could that possibly be? The only thing I can think of is if she murdered the boy and tried to cover it with a kidnapping, but there were numerous witnesses who saw Johnny that morning on his paper route.

You see what I did above in the bolded part? I dismissed the possibility.

And you left this one out entirely:

I have a hard time believing Noreen had anything to do with it. If she did, what could she possibly hope to gain by trying so hard to expose the connection to organized pedo rings? Her involvemnet with Gunderson just makes me feel sorry that she's being handled by a suspected disinfo agent-it doesn't detract from her overall efforts.

kthxbai.

[sunny]

And stackdag, this:

You're a fuck, a limey fuck. So that's what I'll call you. In fact you're a barmy barmpot with small manky bollocks. I bet you're a complete minger as well you naff pillock.

I hope you can understand my point matey.

Now you can sit back and shut your bloody trap like the munter you are.
Fuck off.

is totally unnecessary. I don't understand half of it, but it does not sound very sporting of you. Tone it down.

[Searcher08]

As another "limey fuck", what is your problem, you spazzin junket-pumping septic bleedin tanking knob-jockey ?

and I mean that in a caring, sharing way

[Jeff]

If people have a problem with Gunderson's "satanic-panic" vibe, then why are you interested in Franklin/Gosch?

Because Gunderson, his ilk and their "vibe" don't own Franklin/Gosch.

I hate the term, but they are this topic's "gatekeepers," and their off-putting vibes, misdirections and false assumptions have kept it from gaining any sort of credible traction.

[shefner]

LOL on the kitty pic, Searcher08! I have four cats myself and this photo looks like one of them on a bad day!

Isn't it wonderful to have so many people emotionally charged up about this important case?! Let's keep it up...

The "Patricia Johnson Holme" part of Johnny's case was certainly controversial. She claimed her son was in one of the photographs that Noreen received. At first, Noreen took her at her word....she still may, for all I know. But pretty soon, Patricia made no sense at all. I've forgotten some of this part of the story so I guess I should go back and freshen up before commenting further. Otherwise, there's no telling what may happen.....

[shefner]

If people have a problem with Gunderson's "satanic-panic" vibe, then why are you interested in Franklin/Gosch?

Because Gunderson, his ilk and their "vibe" don't own Franklin/Gosch.

I hate the term, but they are this topic's "gatekeepers," and their off-putting vibes, misdirections and false assumptions have kept it from gaining any sort of credible traction.

Jeff, what do you see as being their misdirections and false assumptions?

[chiggerbit]

Jeff Gannon injecting himself in Gosch Case

timetunneler, I was going to say that Gannon didn't seek attention with regards to Gosch, from what I remember, attention was imposed on him. Was it Andy at DU who first speculated on the possibility? But then it occurred to me to wonder what the heck Gannon's johns mustt have thought, suddenly seeing him sitting in on nationally televised White House news briefings, actually participating in them. Can you imagine, here are important military people, religious people, media types, watching the news on tv, and before their very eyes appears on the screen the gay prostitute they had boinked last week or last month, and he looks to be on very good terms with the President? OMG!

[shefner]

....And what about Gannon's free pass in and out of the White House? There is something going on there. But, of course, the mainstream press dropped it like a hot potato.