German TV exposes chemtrails

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German TV exposes chemtrails

Postby Trifecta » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:20 pm

GERMAN ARMY EXPOSED CHEMTRAILS

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=51FcITBszj8

And that the maps have been manipulated?
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Postby nathan28 » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:33 pm

Nothing says "trustworthy" like low-res video, incomplete and inaccurate subtitles and most of all nu-metal drum and bass! Good thing I've got some orgonite sitting by my desk! Gee, I hope that itching sensation isn't Morgellon's!
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Postby orz » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:09 pm

Chemtrails exposed chemtrails.
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Postby justdrew » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:08 pm

I don't believe in chemtrails, I've never seen evidence. All I see is normal flight paters, people TALK about back-and-forth grid flight patterns, never once have I seen such a video taken by anyone.
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:32 pm

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Postby stoneonstone » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:36 pm

Justdrew...

Well, then where do you live?

I see them maybe 3 to 4 times a month on average...that's an average...usually a cluster of days, and then nothing.

Not the skies of my youth, when we'd watch high-fliers, with a short trail, and comment 'that's going to vietnam', which of course, was nonsense, living in downsview, just west of the Toronto main airport. But the pont is that the trail, even high (VERY high) only lasted, maybe five minutes. Now you can see the same trail waft through the air for 30 min to 2 hours after the intitial pass.

Something is different. And unlike the trails of my childhood, these ones Definitely spread out into sort of a scud cloud formation. The others just disappeared. And quickly.

On some days, at this point in lake ontario, it looks like a celestial x's and o's tournie...and THAT is what I think has some people wondering.

Not what it was. Not what we recal. It's unsettling.

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Postby medicis » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:10 pm

To dismiss it 'out of hand' appears irrational. To ridicule it is simply an irrelevant response. There appears to be evidence for these things... whatever the purpose. Whether it is sufficient evidence or partially so.. or whether the evidence is spurious, I don't know. It would be good if the evidentiary basis can be explored and analyzed. Does anybody know of a balanced site that attempts that? I did locate an article on Rense!? (I know, I know) but in spite of my misgivings, it does present some of the arguments. However, I confess that I have little clue as to the accuracy of the data, observations, conclusions in the following:

Contrails Vs Chemtrails -
Facts And Chronology
From Kim Weber <ohwarriorgoddess@earthlink.net>
5-23-00


I. Contrail vs. Chemtrail.

A. A contrail dispurses. A chemtrail spreads into cloud cover and sometimes has fallout (cob-web like filaments, red/yellow powders, milky-white fluid).

II. Purposes (??? weather modification, protection from ozone holes, bio-vaccination, culling - ???)

A. Weather modification.

* Openly stated goal of the U.S. Military is "owning the weather" www.au.af.mil/au/database/research/ay19 ... 9025ag.htm

* UN environmental Program "Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change" www.ipcc.ch

* UN "Capacity Development Initiative" on climate change ... in partnership with THE WORLD BANK as financiers (remember Seattle protests) www.gefweb.org/Capacity_Dev.pdf

* Dr. Bernard Eastlund took up the Tesla theories. Eastlund released his research and concernns on the internet AFTER the military took over, to cover his butt. www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/H ... stlund.htm

* When DOD took over Dr. Eastlund's research, the birth of HAARP took place. HAARP is based in Alaska and it is being applied to the Earth's ionosphere for weather control and mind control purposes. "Angels Don't Play This HAARP", Dr. Nick Begich [Earthpulse Press, PO Box 201393, Anchorage, AK 99520]; Concerned citizens group paper at www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/65 ... ct116.html

* US Air Force IS involved. Early April 2000, KC135s were grounded and during the period immediately following spraying reports across the US significantly dropped. See http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/chemtrailtrackingusa (OVER 700 members - daily reports to track) Also see the research of William Thomas (Author, "The Scorched Earth", "Bringing The War Home", "Probing the Chemtrail Conundrum") www.islandnet.com/~wilco/investsky.htm (Email: wilco@islandnet.com).

* Our weathermen KNOW. The data doesn't support the cloud cover. For instance, last year in Sante Fe, NM there was a 21-day period of continuous clouud cover when humidity/dew point levels were no higher than 30%. Clouds can only form when humidity/dew point levels are 60% of higher. HOW DID THE CLOUDS FORM?? (see www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm)

B. There has definitely been biological warfare testing of UNKNOWING U.S. citizens and OUR GOVERNMENT IS FULLY AWARE OF IT.

* 1977 hearings before the U.S. Senate Committee on Human Resources SubCommittee on Health and Scientific Research (see www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm)

* AGAIN 5/6/94 U.S. Senate testimony of Dr. Leonard Cole (Author, "Clouds of Secrecy") before the Committee on Veteran's Affairs (see www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm)

* 3 segments aired on ABC / Ted Kopple's "Nighline" which included the testimony of Peter Kawaja on the biowarfare exposure of Gulf War vets. Of the initial 697,000 soldiers deployed to the Gulf War, 489,400+ (70%) are now discharged, 1000s have died and are dying, 67% of their babies born after are born deformed, family/friends/doctors/nurses becoming sick. Mycoplasmas are a part of their sickness.

* UN Wildlands Project - the "re-wilding of America". 50% of the United States is being set aside for global parklands with NO HUMANS ALLOWED. Papers state "human population must be reduced." Concerned citizens site www.wildlandsproject.org/htm/summary.htm

* Damning patents. U.S. patent 5534413 for invasive mycoplasma infection (isolated from the urine of AIDS patients), and THE VACCINE YOU NEVER EVER HEAR ABOUT U.S. Patent 5242820. Mycoplasmas can cause Epstein-Barr/mono, lupus, ALS, MS, meningitis, lymphoma, leukemia, alzheimers, Crohn's Disease, PID, arthritis, fibromyalgia, allergies, asthma etc etc etc. http://members.aol.com/ghylak/mycoplasma.htm and www.gulfwarvets.com/article24.htm

* Lab results from ground samples taken from 2 unassociated parties (Sacramento and E.Oregon) after flyovers from unmarked aircraft reveal biowarfare bacterias named in over 160 Pentagon patents referencing biowarfare applications, toxic molds, ethylene dibromide (a pesticide banned by the EPA which damages lungs/heart/liver/kidneys). (See www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm). "The flu that's not the flu" - hospitals filled to capacity TURNING AWAY patients: "THIS VIRUS IS A MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL PARASITE", Dr. W. Paul Glezen of the Influena Research Center at Baylor. NEVER has "parasite" been associated with a "virus". A parasite FEEDS FROM THE HOST. A virus, on the other hand, NEEDS A SUSCEPTIBLE HOST'S CELLS TO MULTIPLY. What's Dr. Glezen talking about? Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz states: "Based on the evidence that my colleagues and I have accumulated, I conclude that this flu-like illness IS most likely associated with chemical and biological co-factors." His email: tetra@tetrahedron.org.

* Florescent black light reveals filaments - LOTS - which glows blue, red/orange. Contains barium titanate?, a dielectric used to keep electricity flowing. Using this to : trap moisture to create clouds; build up earth pressures to cause earthquakes, tornados, volcanic eruptions; to create extra tension and stress in humans. The fibers are in a twisted ribbon shape ~3-5 microns thick by ~10 to 13 microns wide. They have imperfections that manifest as small clumps of polymer whiskers ~.5 to 1 micron in diameter by ~5 to 10 microns long. There are large enough by themselves and in sufficient quantity to cause possible long-lasting lung disease. WHERE ARE YOU AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION??

* A microsopic particle count study in New Mexico shows a 16% increase in the magnitude of the average microscopic particle count data of 1999 vs. the average of the COMBINED YEARS of 1996, 1997 and 1998. The difference is significant - at the 99.9% plus level. The conclusion reached is that the microscopic air particle count in New Mexico in 1999 is STRIKINGLY different from that of the preceding 3 years combined. (See www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm).

C. Ominous developments.

* Unusual truck activity across the U.S. Trimac Western tanker trucks that DO NOT display DOT placard codes giving their contents, being WAVED THRU mandatory truck inspection stops! People who slow down to take a "look-see" are being shadowed 20-30 miles by civilian cars escorting the tanker trucks. Trimac is owned by Rentokil of the United Kingdom - they haul pesticides and chemicals for BASF, DuPont and Bayer. (See www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm).

* COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT ARE NOW BEING USED TO SPRAY - particularly BOEING planes. Also, an aircraft mechanic from a major airline received anonymous "warning" call, job suspension and threats left in his locker after his observing an extra 50gal. plus 2 smaller gal. tanks located near the aircraft waste disposal system. The extra tanks WERE NOT connected to the waste disposal system, but instead led to a box attached to the aircraft's central control and had piping leading to deliberately "hollowed out" wiring connected to the edges of the aircraft's wings. (See www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm).

* Also there are alot of anti-chemtrail activists reporting harrassment, but on 5/19/00 Cliff Carnicom, owner of the most proactive anti-chemtrail website, contacted the FBI regarding impersonation, libel, professional hacking and death threats. His site alone has submitted 3,087 letters to federal officials, and 828 letters to state officials and TO DATE NO RESPONSE HAS BEEN RECEIVED..

D. Announcements.

* Email Congressman Tom Udall. He told a constituent he would ask for Congressional hearings. Let's hold him up to that. tom.udall@mail.house.gov

* Nationwide organization "Citizens Against Chemtrails" is putting together a massive petition for Congressional hearing purposes. Submit your name/address/email at Cliff site: www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm, or email ohwarriorgoddess@earthlink.net

* Whistleblowers can do so anonymously at www.users.ev1.net/~seektress/tips.htm
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Postby vigilant » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:16 pm

I have no idea what chemtrails are or are not. But I do recognize the fact that jet trails linger and spread out for miles and they didn't when I was younger. When I was young, like any other kid, I spent hours looking at jets flying overhead, and daydreaming of flying them.

The trails usually disappeared just behind the jet. Sometimes they made a streak across the sky but it would disappear in a very few short minutes. They didn't spread out like they do now. I have no idea what is truly causing it but I see the difference.

My uncle was a fighter pilot. I asked him about jet trails and he said they should disappear in short amounts of time. He never noticed that they linger nowdays until I brought it to his attention. After he noticed they were lingering his only response was, "hmmmm, I have no idea why they stay so long"

I have also seen video of the reported checkerboard pattern. There is video of it on the internet, shot from an airplane. I think it was shot in the skies over Japan but I don't remember for sure. It did look to me like it was deliberate instead of the simple vectoring traffic of jets. It was perfectly spaced, and it went for miles, and miles...
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Postby justdrew » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:30 pm

yes, there are some points that seem odd. but this has been going on for at minimum 10 years. Ten years. I remember when talk of chemtrails was starting up in '98. So far I still haven't seen anything too convincing. Is there NO private pilot able to buzz these 'unmarked planes' up close? I just don't know. as for the dissipation part of it, that DOES tie in with something NASA's looked into about changes in the upper atmosphere I think, basically, as the warming continues, the atmosphere is getting bigger so pressure isn't as low as it used to be at altitude. This probably ties in somehow with the megacryometeors. Also there's a lot more air traffic now than there used to be. the engine exhaust is likely slightly different today as well due to changed in jet fuel composition.

I know these are just standard 'skeptic' points though, I don't have any real strong refutation, but damn... if they're doing such a massive effort, for at least ten years, (we've had no whistleblowers whatsoever), it must be for preventing or causing some major major shitstorm.

I'm willing to be convinced but most of the trails I see are standard north-south traffic patterns (LA to Seattle) and a few east-wests over Portland, and I have an excellent look at the sky most every day.
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Postby nathan28 » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:40 pm

justdrew wrote:as for the dissipation part of it, that DOES tie in with something NASA's looked into about changes in the upper atmosphere I think, basically, as the warming continues, the atmosphere is getting bigger so pressure isn't as low as it used to be at altitude. This probably ties in somehow with the megacryometeors. Also there's a lot more air traffic now than there used to be. the engine exhaust is likely slightly different today as well due to changed in jet fuel composition.

I know these are just standard 'skeptic' points though, I don't have any real strong refutation, but damn... if they're doing such a massive effort, for at least ten years, (we've had no whistleblowers whatsoever), it must be for preventing or causing some major major shitstorm.


Why are you referencing the Great Global Warming Hoax? You will ruinz our credibilitees!

Seriously, yes, jet contrails sure as shit linger for a long-ass time in some regions, like down where my folks live. But is that really "unmarked" planes? Is it really an ultra-massive operation? The current situation is unexplained but the speculation about it is ridiculous. On edit, it's ridiculous because you have people who have scratched themselves silly due to nervousness, anxiety, stimulant abuse or bug bites and claiming that it's b/c the Shadow Government is putting alien toxins into the air.
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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:46 pm

"evidence" of chemtrails is a tricky subject.
I use the term, although I think "persistent contrails" is more accurate and further removed from the 'tinfoil' effect.

There are sites such like carnicom.com or bariumblues that have articles from people claiming to have tested materials from chemtrails, but there is nothing to verify the legitimacy of the claims other than to run the tests yourself. I've seen "evidence" on Internet web pages about tests of rainwater and tests of air filters, but the subject IS ripe with disinfo, so its hard to know what to believe.

I've also read semi-convincing explanations that dismiss chemtrails as normal atmospheric phenomena. They might be wholly convincing if they didn't conflict with what I've seen and photographed myself.

Justdrew- forget Internet videos. Even if you saw one, would it really convince you of anything? (if the answer is yes, that's for another thread). Start watching the sky wherever you live, and see what your own eyes tell you. That's how I got sucked into the chemtrail issue. I don't know what materials are lingering in the sky, who is orchestrating it or why its being done, but my two eyes tell me something abnormal is going on.
I've watched jets fly back and forth on lazy Sunday afternoons spreading lines across the sky above rural areas that usually have no air traffic to speak of, let alone multiple planes criss-crossing back and forth in the same general airspace at the same time. I've watched the 'contrails' linger in the air and spread, turning blue sky and sunny days into a grey mass, and I've watched "scalar wave" formations appear.

It's funny, and scary really, how little attention industrial humans pay to the environment around them. Start paying attention, and if you want to disbelieve after that, go right ahead.

The last thread on this subject had some unhealthy influences, as et in arcadia ego is surely aware. I hope this one goes better.

on edit:

one of my old blogs, which I no longer keep up, has some pictures. Scroll toward the bottom for a time-lapse series that illustrates it well in a post called "Grey skies in about an hour"

http://iowaskies.blogspot.com/
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Postby vigilant » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:55 pm

For those truly interested in chemtrails, there is some government legislation somewhere that references them. It has been a long time since I have seen it and I don't remember what it was in reference to exactly. I don't remember the context. I saw it a long time ago when I was motivated enough to hunt it down. If you are motivated enough to hunt for it, you can probably find it.
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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:02 pm

109th Congress
S. 517: A bill to establish a Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes
Introduced: Mar 3, 2005
Sponsor: Sen. Kay Hutchison [R-TX]
Status: Introduced (By Sen. Kay Hutchison [R-TX]
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:30 pm

medicis wrote:To dismiss it 'out of hand' appears irrational. To ridicule it is simply an irrelevant response.


Go spread three years of your life eating this meme and find your own 'bored-to-fucking-tears-with=the-bullshit' smiley.

I am a Pro.

Or was one.

But please, dismiss nothing out of hand; there are ,millions of colorful energy sinks to allow to suck one's face off staring into.

A toilet will even do that.

Is a toilet a part of the Clemtrail Conspirarcy?

See, that's an angle I never followed until just now.

THANKS FOR SENDING ME BACK ON THE RIGHT TRACK!!!

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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:55 pm

phooff..

Kim Weber, eh?

You sure dug up nice old fossil with that one.

You're getting into the ranks of the first generation 'Chemmies', who most of which are blaming 'chemtrails' on environmental pollution(as it should be), or flat out admitted they LIED about the facts to garner more interest ala Foot Soldier and David Stuart's 'Shield Project', an alarming, arresting seat-of-your-pants admission to Government spraying.


That he admits later is 100% bullshit meant to get attention for himself and his 'cause'.

Don't have to wear a turban to be a fucking terrorist.

Do yourselves a favor and move on.

RIGHT, Socrates?

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