9/11 Solved: Tortured 'KSM' wants to plead guilty.

[MacCruiskeen]

According to the BBC, the man in the chef's hat, the Groucho specs and the Santa Claus beard now says he dunnit.


A Pastel Portrait of the Face of Utter Evil

Or at least we're told he says he dunnit, and we're told he is who they say he says he is. (Is that clear?) And we're told his 'confession' is worth even more than a dime, whatever universally-recognised legal principles may tell us to the contrary.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: And what happened to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed?

Suskind: He was really the prize. He is the 9/11 operational planner [in the same way that SpongeBob is the Pope - MacC.], a kind of general in the al-Qaida firmament. He was water-boarded, hot and cold, all matter of deprivations, beatings, threats. He told us some things, but frankly things that professional interrogators say could have been gotten otherwise.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: With waterboarding, the prisoner is made to feel as though he is drowing, even if he isn't really at risk of dying. There are reports that Mohammed was a kind of unoffical record-holder when it came to waterboarding.

Suskind: With extraordinary minutes passing he earned a sort of grudging respect from interrogators. The thing they did with Mohammed is that we had captured his children, a boy and a girl, age 7 and 9. And at the darkest moment we threatened grievous injury to his children if he did not cooperate. His response was quite clear: "That's fine. You can do what you want to my children, and they will find a better place with Allah." ...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1 ... 17,00.html

Any mention of these Gestapo methods is apparently beneath the BBC's dignity. It would spoil such a nice story.

But the really charming twist in the tale is that Suskind and co. could very well be pulling the entire thing out of their asses. How could we possibly know, one way or another?

- Here, allegedly, is Ramzi Binalshibh, allegedly one of KSM's co-plotters and co-confessors -- photographed, allegedly, at the time of his alleged capture, and never seen since:


Of Course It's Him, His Eyes Are Unmistakable

[ultramegagenius]

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed=20 letters= 9 + 11

no infidel dares to blaspheme upon his holiness SpongeBob Square-Pope

[JackRiddler]

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Spiegel starts by asking him, what do we know, i.e., what is known publicly? Watch what he does.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Mr. Suskind, the Red Cross recently visited all of the prisoners at Guantanamo who had been transferred from secret CIA prisons, including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh. Do we know more about these CIA prisons, or "Black Sites" as a result of this visit?

Suskind: We know that almost everything from the tool kit was tried: extraordinary techniques that included hot and cold water-boarding and threats of various kinds. We tried virtually everything with Binalshibh. But he was resistant, and my understanding of that interrogation is that we got very, very little from it. At one point, there was some thinking that we should put out misinformation that Binalshihb had been cooperative, he had received money and he was living in luxury. So that would mean that his friends and family, who obviously are known to al-Qaida, might face retribuition, and we ended up not doing that.

And on he goes. Transparent, probably unwitting overkill. I don't think he is aware of how much of a tool he is. He fully identifies with the spook master dogs (="United States") and anything they do (or tell him they did) is "we" and that's that.

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[blanc]

not much left to say really is there?

[MacCruiskeen]

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Spiegel starts by asking him, what do we know, i.e., what is known publicly? Watch what he does.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Mr. Suskind, the Red Cross recently visited all of the prisoners at Guantanamo who had been transferred from secret CIA prisons, including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh. Do we know more about these CIA prisons, or "Black Sites" as a result of this visit?

Suskind: We know that almost everything from the tool kit was tried: extraordinary techniques that included hot and cold water-boarding and threats of various kinds. We tried virtually everything with Binalshibh. But he was resistant, and my understanding of that interrogation is that we got very, very little from it. At one point, there was some thinking that we should put out misinformation that Binalshihb had been cooperative, he had received money and he was living in luxury. So that would mean that his friends and family, who obviously are known to al-Qaida, might face retribuition, and we ended up not doing that.

And on he goes. Transparent, probably unwitting overkill. I don't think he is aware of how much of a tool he is. He fully identifies with the spook master dogs (="United States") and anything they do (or tell him they did) is "we" and that's that.

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Yeah, well spotted. It's not often one sees such a fast, smooth and elegant switch from "we" (the independent investigative journalists) to "we" ("the USA" [= the CIA/the torturers]). "Probably unwitting", as you say. But probably very few of the leading corporate hacks would recognise that double loyalty as a problem, even if you pointed it out to them.

Note that the fearless sleuths from Hamburg didn't pick him up on it, presumably because they feared being accused of lèse majesté. (Andreas Hauss always refers to Der Spiegel as "the former news-magazine", unless he's calling it "the house-journal of the CIA in Germany".)

[MacCruiskeen]

A likely reason for this sudden confession and demand for immediate martyrdom: These guys will have to be convicted and killed* double-quick, so that Obama will have an opportunity to close Guantanamo without embarrassment in February.

*Or, for all I know, spirited out of jail and transferred secretly to Bush's finca in Paraguay, where they will cast off their beards, hats and specs and live the proverbial life of Riley.

[8bitagent]

Guys, holy crap!

You folks are missing the other big half of the story.
From msnbc.com
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28111501/

The five said they decided on Nov. 4, the day President-elect Barack Obama was elected to the White House, to abandon all defenses against the capital charges. It was as if they wanted to rush toward convictions before the inauguration of Obama, who has vowed to end the war-crimes trials and close Guantanamo.

WTF? From 9/11 to 11/4, does Obama hold that mystical a power?

The egregoric reverse 9/11 caused them to want to "come clean".

Dec. 8: Five detainees being held in Guantanamo Bay, including Khalid Sheik Mohammed, are said to be ready to confess their involvement in 9/11.

I wonder if Ron Jeremy and company are going to detail how they
were able to avoid detection of the FBI, CIA, Pentagon, NSA, ect for so long. Manage to sneak knives on board, manage to finance the whole 9/11 operation by themselves, get people to secretly help the hijackers in America, ect.

Man I feel bad for a lot of the 9/11 families. They really feel this kangaroo show trial, where KSM has "confessed" to every terror plot since the 70's, will bring closure. Will "solve" the whodunnit.
Like the OKC bombing victims families, truth and justice will not be served with the government findings.

[8bitagent]

By the way, why wont the left and others who are news junkies out there put two and two together: the US government has never wanted to get Osama bin Laden, and in fact theres been an active policy to stand down any time delta forces, cia, ect have him in their sites.

I always see liberals or others on forums, or even on tv say "You'd think Bush would have wanted to get bin Laden by now", or "why the heck were the special forces told to stand down at Tora Bora".

Bush, bin Laden, al Qaeda; all part of the same globalist dialectic like mere puppets.

[Penguin]

"..be ready to confess..."

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Bring the Comfy Chair!

("Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo")

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Imagine the dedication, professionalism, and deep knowledge of human psychology it must take to secure a confession from someone, when all you're allowed to do is isolate and torture them daily for several years.

According to a news report earlier, also on BBC, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is now recieving his first visit from members of his family since his capture (I wonder if they'll recognise him - or perhaps more to the point, if he will recognise them). The reporter said he might get to talk to them after they come out of the meeting. He seemed excited, in a scarily schoolboyish way, at the prospect of getting his scoop, and wasn't even trying to hide it on-camera for what was probably a worldwide broadcast. The urge to slap him was strong.

If this KSM is a serious enemy of the West, and an "architect" of 9/11, then news of his confession should be reported seriously. It is, after all, a pretty serious matter. And his family are seeing him probably for the last time - they're not murderers or terrorists (though I bet they're on a lot of lists now) - so show a bit of respect. In fact, just be unbiased. Like a reporter would be.

Ach, the guy was infuriating.

I can't disagree so much with the "we" part, because I like to say "What we are doing in Iraq" or "what we have done to the Congo" in order to not disclaim responsibility for it all. After all, I've done next to nothing to stop it, and very little to help, so we are responsible.

But I don't think that's how he meant it.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

The five said they decided on Nov. 4, the day President-elect Barack Obama was elected to the White House, to abandon all defenses against the capital charges. It was as if they wanted to rush toward convictions before the inauguration of Obama, who has vowed to end the war-crimes trials and close Guantanamo.

The Force is unusually strong with that one.

Although it could just be that if their convictions and deaths will hasten the closure of Guantanamo Bay then they are willing to make that sacrifice.

I wish we could really know if they are guilty or not, but the mere fact of their detention at Guantanamo and the torture used has ensured that we never will.

[8bitagent]

If this KSM is a serious enemy of the West, and an "architect" of 9/11, then news of his confession should be reported seriously.

About as much chance of WMD's and mobile WMD bio labs being uncovered in Iraq.

KSM, like most "terror masterminds" is just fed grand opera schemes
by deep state operatives(not even necessarily the CIA) and given a toy box of willing jihadist young dupes and surrounded by "al Qaeda" operatives, all with their strings being pulled. KSM only thinks he's the mastermind of anything.

9/11 traces back to Bojinka, which traces back to Ali Mohamed(CIA/FBI/ect) and the al Kifah(American al Qaeda, Bosnian jihad center in Brooklyn) center and back to the Rabbi Maher Khahane murder in 1991.

Even Time has reported that KSM was in the keep of both the Qatari royal family, Kuwaiti royals and the ISI.

[8bitagent]

The five said they decided on Nov. 4, the day President-elect Barack Obama was elected to the White House, to abandon all defenses against the capital charges. It was as if they wanted to rush toward convictions before the inauguration of Obama, who has vowed to end the war-crimes trials and close Guantanamo.

The Force is unusually strong with that one.

Although it could just be that if their convictions and deaths will hasten the closure of Guantanamo Bay then they are willing to make that sacrifice.

I wish we could really know if they are guilty or not, but the mere fact of their detention at Guantanamo and the torture used has ensured that we never will.

Of course they are guilty of being intimately involved in 9/11. But fuck if they were masterminding anything.

Whoever did 9/11 has got the idiots up in the US military and government convinced that the stakes are so grave...that somehow torture was the appropriate method. Someone, or...something, totally played al Qaeda and the US government. Not that I am calling al Qaeda(a construct of the globalists if there ever was one) and the US govt innocent...
just looking at 9/11 it seems bigger than some "US inside job" or Muslim cave plot.

Another thing is,

IT PISSES ME OFF seeing the mainstream media report this as the biggest War Crimes trial of the century

IS NOT what the US has done in Afghanistan and Iraq not considered massive war crimes?

[AhabsOtherLeg]

IT PISSES ME OFF seeing the mainstream media report this as the biggest War Crimes trial of the century

If this is how they report what they believe to be the biggest war crimes or terrorism trial of the century, then it pisses me off too. They're just not treating it seriously, and I can't shake the feeling that they're laughing at us above all, however paranoid that might sound.

To make an open mockery of the proceedings, to make it even more bizarre and nonsensical than it has to be by it's very nature, seems like a concious decision on the part of most news outlets.

I know what you mean, though. Charles Taylor never got this kind of coverage.

IS NOT what the US has done in Afghanistan and Iraq not considered massive war crimes?

I honestly believe they will be seen as such, one day - plenty of people can already see it, including many of our soldiers in those places. Don't despair. But as for anyone senior ever having to answer for it or be punished - not so sure.

Some of their "legacies" will definitely not be as shiny as hoped, but only Blair seems to worry about that.

On Iraq, I wonder if, historically, there has ever been a war where so many Generals and top military men (both US and UK) have resigned in open disgust at what they are being asked to do? There must be figures on this kind of thing. And I'm pretty sure Iraq would be unique. The Army, in both countries, is getting pretty pissed off - and if a dictator or an authoritarian state loses the support of the Army, it's finished.

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[Penguin]

2002, before Iraq war.