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Postby brekin » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:37 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollhouse_(TV_series)

Dollhouse is an American science fiction television program created by Joss Whedon and set to premiere February 13, 2009 on Fox.

Premise

In Dollhouse, Eliza Dushku plays a young woman named Echo, a member of a group of people known as "Actives" or "Dolls." The Dolls have had their personalities wiped clean so they can be imprinted with any number of new personas, including memory, muscle memory, skills, and language, for different assignments. They're then hired out for particular jobs, crimes, fantasies, and occasional good deeds. On missions, Actives are monitored internally (and remotely) by Handlers. In between tasks, they are mind-wiped into a child-like state and live in a futuristic dormitory/laboratory, a hidden facility nicknamed "The Dollhouse". The story follows Echo, who begins, in her mind-wiped state, to become self-aware.

Beyond Dushku's character, the show will also revolve around the people who run the mysterious "Dollhouse" and two other "Dolls", Victor and Sierra, who are friendly with Echo. Although the Actives are ostensibly volunteers, the operation is highly illegal and under constant threat on one end from Paul Ballard, a determined federal agent who has heard a rumor about the dolls, and an insane rogue Active on the other.
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Postby marmot » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:37 am

Ain't She a Doll?

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In an Extra interview Eliza Duska said her role was 'semi-biographical.'

Topher: “Hello Echo.”

Echo: “Did I fall asleep?”

Topher: “For a little while.”


The names of the Dolls are all words from the NATO phonetic alphabet. This alphabet is used for radio communication because many letters sound the same over such connections. Thus one says "Alpha" instead of "A", "Bravo" instead of "B", and "Echo" instead of "E".
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Postby LilyPatToo » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:57 am

Thank you for the heads-up, brekin--this is interesting not just because it's Joss Whedon, but also for the weird suggestive-of-mind-control plot. I liked Eliza Dushku's character on Buffy, too--it'll be interesting to see her in a different role.

Did you mean to link to this Dollhouse site though?

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Postby esotericmetal » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:09 am

I'd like to hear what Hugh has to say about this.

Anyone else been watching that show fringe? I don't watch tv at all, but there's a couple of shows that i download. This one's got an interesting premise, although the execution is as cheesy as almost all tv shows are these days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_(TV_series)

Fringe follows the exploits of FBI Special Agent Olivia Dunham, scientist Walter Bishop, and his son Peter as they investigate aspects of fringe science (telepathy, levitation, invisibility, reanimation, genetic mutation, etc). All over the world, a series of apparent experiments collectively referred to as "the Pattern" (e.g., a newborn baby who rapidly ages and dies within a few hours, a bus full of passengers trapped in a strange substance like mosquitoes in amber) are occurring for reasons unknown. Olivia, Peter, and Walter are in charge of investigating these strange events to determine their source. Connected to the Pattern is a company called Massive Dynamic, which is a leading global research company that holds the patents for a number of new and important technologies. Throughout the first half of the first season, Mitchell Loeb, a rogue FBI agent, orchestrates some of these events as part of a larger plan to break a man out of prison and kidnap Olivia.



I always assume most tv shows are propaganda, and that they can be organized into two categories:

- Stuff like the x-files that has a ridiculous premise with elements of truth. The overall ridiculousness of the premise discredit's the parts that could be true.
- The 24-esque shows that are full-on bullshit, aimed at justifying the government's agenda.

The only really respectable show on tv IMO is Mad Men. The watered down piss on showtime is bearable, but definitely no where near the glory days of HBO. Hopefully David Milch's new cop show will see the light of day. The man is an artist.




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Postby brekin » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:48 am

LilyPat wrote:

Did you mean to link to this Dollhouse site though?


Oops, the rest of the link got truncated. I wasn't able to fix the original entry above, which goes to a wiki about actual doll houses.
And trying again below I'm not successful for some reason. If you
copy and paste though it should work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollhouse_(TV_series)

esoteric metal wrote:
Anyone else been watching that show fringe? I watch tv at all, but there's a couple of shows that i download.
This one's got an interesting premise, although the execution is as cheesy as almost all tv shows are these days.


I was intrigued with Fringe, but like you said it's all premise and the actual execution gets bogged down in endless tv drama rabbit trails.

I could listen and watch the opening title sequence over and over again though. It's as mesmerizing as the Dr. Who opening themes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBky3jhB ... re=related

Interestingly the theme music came to the head writer as he was going to bed:
http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/07/jj_a ... eme_so.php
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Postby Penguin » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:31 am

Its interesting also that :

http://www.fireflywiki.org/Firefly/SummerGlau
A prima ballerina (also training in flamenco and tango) born and trained in San Antonio, Texas, Summer Glau made her television debut as the ballerina in the "Angel" episode "Waiting in the Wings", as well as appearances in several commercials. She plays River Tam.

River Tam:

"River - the Strange Little Girl (played by Summer Glau)

A hyper-intelligent child of privilege, River discovered that the Academy in which she'd enrolled was more of a torture center than a school. No one knows yet what The Academy did to her before her brother Simon stole her back, because she's still too traumatized to tell them.

But she and Simon need to keep running—because the Academy wants their experiment back.

River was born with a mind of unparalelled brilliance. While Simon was smart enough to become a gifted doctor in the top 3% of his class at the finest medical institution, River was so bright she corrected her older brother's spelling by the time she was three years old, and even found mathematical errors in his textbooks. Their parents spoiled them and lavished them with luxuries, even signing River up for the most challenging of education programs: The Academy. Simon and his parents thought nothing of it; she was an exceptional child and belonged in an educational institution that could cater to her needs—but after a few months, Simon received a perplexing letter from her. There were misspellings and references to individuals who did not exist, to events which never happened. Simon theorized that the letter was written in some kind of code. His parents refused to take Simon's fears seriously, believing River was just being playful and Simon was irrationally overreacting to River's absence. They were wrong.

While her family thought she was safe, The Academy was actually a scientific installation (likely funded by the Blue Sun corporation). Simon decoded his sister's letters and set out to try to get her back, seeking someone, anyone—even those living in Blackout Zones—who could help him help his sister escape. Money changed hands, and soon thereafter Simon found himself captured by the local federal authorities—his father had to come down to bail him out. Upset that bailing his son out had tarnished his reputation, Gabriel Tam told Simon to give up his ridiculous mission, and Simon cut his ties to his parents by refusing to do so.

So.

Simon made arrangements for stealing River from The Academy, then made his way to Persephone and the Eavesdown Docks slums. There, he met with the people delivering cargo containing his sister in stasis from which she was later awakened on the Firefly Transport Serenity. Blue Sun still considers River their property, and they will stop at nothing to get River back.

Unfortunately, exactly what River is now remains uncertain. River's brain was operated on countless times while The Academy had her in its clutches, and she was treated for all intents and purposes like a laboratory animal. Simon was able to perform diagnostic tests and now knows for certain that, among other things, they cut into her brain multiple times. They even stripped her amygdala, which is a part of the brain used to control emotional responses and 'filter' incoming information. As he describes it: "She feels everything; she can't not." The R. Tam sessions, recorded at The Academy, show River's slow descent into her current state.

Precisely why they did these things to her is unknown. The most likely purpose was to turn her into a sort of assassin or spy. However, since the series was unceremoniously cut short, any answers to the uncertainties of motivation are assumptive. We do know to a degree of what she is capable.

* River has taken a firearm and, after a brief glance to ascertain their position, closed her eyes and killed three men with three shots.
* She has snuck on board a bounty hunter's ship without the bounty hunter's knowledge and thwarted his attempts to take her back to Blue Sun.
* She has shown an aptitude for extraordinary assimilation of knowledge and data recall, empathy, and even what appears to be some form of psychic "reading" ability.
o She has been known to make statements, sometimes cryptic and sometimes direct, which sound as if she can read someone's mind or know of events in a stranger's past which she could not have known.
o She has never shown an indication of being able to predict the future, but she can seem to extrapolate probable outcomes based on past experience and knowledge.
o She can just look at an individual and glean more about their history and personality than some could learn from a person in years of friendship. Sometimes her statements are hard to decipher because she talks in a way that she understands but others have difficulty comprehending.
* And she's a hell of a dancer.

River's state of mind is inconsistent and unpredictable. Simon Tam administers semi-regular treatments of medication that seem to improve her ability to cope with her own mental damage for short periods of time, but these treatments have side-effects which leave her physically ill. When in good spirits, River likes playing with Kaylee and occasional practical jokes with the crew. She's potentially very dangerous, however. She caused damage to Jayne on one occasion, slashing him in the chest with a large knife (but... was she attacking him or the Blue Sun logo on his shirt?). "


And in Terminator, she plays the Terminator reprogrammed to help John. There it is again, the same role.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Glau

"Summer Lyn Glau (born July 24, 1981) is an American dancer and actress, known for playing River Tam in the short-lived science fiction series Firefly and follow-up movie Serenity, and for playing Cameron in the series Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles."

http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/page/Summer+Glau?t=anon

"“I am supposed to look like an innocent teenage girl. I go to school with him, which is really funny,” said Glau. “Cameron can be tough and cold and a Terminator in one breath and then in the next breath, she can be this vulnerable, child-like character, because she is absorbing everything around her for the first time. This reality, and going back in time, and trying to blend into normal society is new for her.”"

"That same year she also appeared in three episodes of the third season of Coppola's The 4400, reprising her role of Tess Doerner already played in one of the second season's episodes in 2005. The part of Tess had been written especially for her after she had to step back from playing the part of Lily Moore because of conflicting schedules with the shooting of Serenity. Summer also got cast as Crystal Burns in the second season of CBS' military drama The Unit. She guest starred in six episodes throughout the season, co-staring with her real-life boyfriend, fellow Texan actor Daniel Wisler, who played her on-screen boyfriend on the show. In 2007 Summer came back as a guest for five episodes on The 4400. She also started working mid-year on a new highly secret project. In late 2007 and after much speculation, it was finally revealed that Summer was going to portray Cameron Phillips, a terminator allied to the human resistance, in the upcoming film tie-in television series Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Most recently, Joss Whedon revealed to the press that he was currently working on the score of a ballet movie The Serving Girl and that Summer will be playing the lead character."
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Postby OP ED » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:55 am

i thought you didn't watch television?
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Postby Uncle $cam » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:51 am

Why do I keep getting the feeling that these things are Aesopian communication signals?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesopian_Language
Aesopian Language, is communications that conveys an
innocent meaning to outsiders but holds a concealed meaning to informed
members of a conspiracy or underground movement. It's club code,
it's like having your own secret decoder ring, or password etc....

it's often used these days for intimidation, because it can be understood,
but not proved by inference.


A case of Aesopian communication between two mafia crime families? Caught between a cabal and a syndicate (Read rethug and demorat).

Mind if I brain play? With a Surrealist technique? pseudo-cut up...

Static Timing Analysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_timing_analysis

Purpose

In a synchronous digital biopolitical system, data Propagenda is supposed to move in lockstep, advancing one stage on each tick of the clock signal. This is enforced by synchronizing elements such as flip-flops or latches, which copy their input to their output when instructed to do so by the clock head strategist. To first order, only two kinds of timing errors are possible in such a system:

* A hold time violation, when a signal talking point arrives too early, and advances one clock cycle before it should
* A setup time violation, when a signal talking point arrives too late, and misses the time when it should advance.

The time when a signal talking point arrives can vary due to many reasons - the input data may vary, the circuit may perform different operations, the temperature and voltage may change, and there are manufacturing differences in the exact construction of each part. The main goal of static timing analysis Propagenda is to verify that despite these possible variations, all signals talking points will arrive neither too early nor too late, and hence proper circuit operation can be assured.

Also, since STA Propagenda is capable of verifying every path, apart from helping locate setup and hold time violations, it can detect other serious problems like glitches, slow paths and clock skew.


Cohesion Policy, sub rosa techniques, Instrumentation and pathology

Clinical, systemic, and methodical...

Off to smoke my Prozac now...lol

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Postby bubblefunk » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:06 am

I don't see why so many here are finding this "interesting". I find it "fucking evil" and "willfully, humorlessly perverse", straight from the Dept. of Hide In Plain Sight.

And I agree, codes and messages are being sent; to and from who I cannot see.
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Postby Penguin » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:09 pm

OP ED wrote:i thought you didn't watch television?


So? :D
I sometimes steal for research purposes...
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Postby marmot » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:34 pm

Me too, Penguin. I do a lot of things for personal 'research purposes'...heehee

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SPOT ON! Uncle $cam ...and this word's new to me: propagenda. I like it!

and YEs! Aesopian Language and all that. I'm sure programming like this serves a thousand functions... from cueing and triggering... to desensitizing and discrediting...

Here's something I posted some time ago on this forum, where we were directed to a website wherein you took a survey and, in turn, they told you what movie you were. This is me:

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http://similarminds.com/movie.html
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Postby Penguin » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:02 pm

marmot:
yeah...
Disclaimer - And Ive watched Serenity 3 times in all...And liked it.

And I absolutely agree about propagEnda. Thats how I feel bout it as well.
As well as the Aesop shpop.
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Postby esotericmetal » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:52 pm

Penguin wrote:
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Whoa... does the "Enjoy Relax Dream" have anything at all to do with the plot of the show?

When you point that this Summer Glau person plays essentially the same role, do you think this is relevant in a synchromystic way, or do you think there's something else to this?
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Postby LilyPatToo » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:58 pm

Uncle $cam, thank you for that info on propagenda :D While I watch an extremely limited number of TV shows (TiVo really helps with that), ALL the ones being discussed here have been as addicting to me as crack cocaine. And the characters that Summer Glau plays have enormous resonance for me. It wasn't until just the past 4 years or so that I figured out what's likely to have happened to me, but even before that, those were the characters with whom I identified--the ones who'd been tortured because they were "special."

As for there being signals sent via mass media that pass right over the heads of 99.999% of the population, there may be something to that. The more deeply paranoid in the mind control program survivor community are so terrified of being triggered that they avoid TV and movies entirely. But, since I was tiny, movies have been my most cherished means of escape--a way to dissociate safely--so I'll never give them up.

I doubt that the triggers are anything as dramatic as an alter switch into an assassin, but they might simply be program reinforcing cues. If there's one thing that the Controllers must fear, it's all their broken guinea pigs' programing breaking down as the tampered-with minds age. If that were to happen, then mental health professionals all over the country would begin seeing highly dissociative patients with oddly systematic, rigidly structured systems of personalities. And they've already had to cope with the appearance of ritually abused survivors back in the 90's. I keep on the look-out for some meme similar to "Satanic panic" emerging to discredit people like myself.

So perhaps some scripts are fine-tuned to include common programing terms or images, with or without the knowing collaboration of the credited writers/producers. Generally speaking, I tend to dismiss claims that all or even most of the creative talent in the entertainment industry is complicit--it just sounds too much like paranoid schizophrenia to me--but I do think it's possible to influence specific people in Hollywood (maybe without their even being consciously aware of having been interfered with) and to plant ideas and images in their shows.

And I suspect that some of them do have some level of awareness of the historical mind control programs and are planting these ideas in the public's consciousness--feeding them a bit of covert history--in order to inform them about long-running, institutionalized human rights abuses of which they would otherwise remain in complete ignorance.

Dunno. But I'm glad this thread exists, since I'm learning a lot.

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However..

Postby marmot » Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:14 pm

LilyPatToo wrote: If there's one thing that the Controllers must fear, it's all their broken guinea pigs' programing breaking down as the tampered-with minds age. If that were to happen, then mental health professionals all over the country would begin seeing highly dissociative patients with oddly systematic, rigidly structured systems of personalities.

..........

--it just sounds too much like paranoid schizophrenia to me--


I suspect, LilyPatToo, that IF the programming broke down the mental health professionals would not SEE and interpret the condition in dissociative terms, but something more along the delusive lines of paranoid schizophrenia, or some new spectacular disorder.. The institutional glasses their professional education has equipped them with would conveniently provide them with new lenses in which to understand and deal with the phenomena..
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