Berlet: Conspiracies, Demonization & Scapegoating

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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:15 am

compared2what? wrote:
You must be joking. "His career as a whistleblower?" Utter nonsense.
Obviously you haven't even read his books or you would've noticed how searingly dangerous they are to CIA, NSC, and Pentagon.


Funny how they've survived without a scratch, then, isn't it?

Actually, his first 1973 printing of 'The Secret Team' was largely disappeared. Suppressed. Not exactly "survived without a scratch."
I was fortunate to find a 1973 edition, nevermind signed by Prouty and dedicated to an important watchdog against CIA abuses.

Here's a book dealer's blurb-
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookD ... 2%26sortby%
3D3%26tn%3DSecret%2BTeam
The author was the liason officer between the CIA and the military during the 50's and 60's. As an air force officer (Colonel) , he was excempt from taking the CIA oath of secrecy and therefore was in a position to write the book in 1973. Apparently, shortly after the book's publication, almost all copies disappeared, probably bought up by the CIA. I was lucky to find a copy, published in Taiwan (Imperial Books & Records) , in a used bookstore several years ago. The author details not only how the CIA conducts it's operations, but more importantly, how it manages to keep most or all of it's deeds from the eyes of congress, the population and even the President, if necessary. This is the best book I've read on the secret workings of the CIA and it's misdeeds during the 50' and early 60's. Not to belittle them, but The Secret Team is a far more informative book than Marchetti and Marks' The CIA And The Cult Of Intelligence.


Same thing happened to Deborah Davis' 1979 book on Katherine Graham
which outed the CIA's Operation Mockingbird. Only it was recalled and burned.

Chip CIA Berlet has put mucho merde on Prouty with big fat stinking lies which you've swallowed hook line and sinker. Other disinfoteers have also done 'attack the messenger to kill the message' hit on Prouty with distortions and lies.

I think you should actually read Prouty before you post anymore about him.
You aren't making any sense and you're better than that.
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Postby compared2what? » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:25 am

False. There's nothing about the Protocols even written or said by Prouty or Mark Lane


He doesn't allege that there is. And if you go back and read the quote, you'll see that.

And no, it's not nothing but anti-semitism. In fact, I'd say that the anti-semitism, when present, is mostly there because it's such an irresistable narrative lure, the rank-and-file faithful just never tire and can't get enough of hearing it. Which keeps them busy and makes them feel they're special, because they're with the white hats and against the black hats. Much as the demonization of the CIA works for you.

However, if you're willing to do business with the Liberty Lobby, you are, at a minimum, not too bothered by things like holocaust denial or a Jew getting beaten to death here and there. Or, put another way, you're not too bothered by liars who play with other people's emotions and lives. Or, put another way, you're amoral and therefore potentially capable of anything. In a way that isn't immediately apparent to most people and possibly never apparent to some, perhaps. Sort of like Bill Clinton. But nonetheless. In political terms, you either reject that shit or you don't, compromise is lethal.

In any event. You only have to look at the history of the American rightwing as it's currently constituted to see that while some of them privately don't care for their Jewish friends all that much, it's black people they really hate. That's pretty much like oxygen to the main players of the present. Although obviously, they don't exactly proclaim it from the rooftops.
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Postby compared2what? » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:29 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
compared2what? wrote:
You must be joking. "His career as a whistleblower?" Utter nonsense.
Obviously you haven't even read his books or you would've noticed how searingly dangerous they are to CIA, NSC, and Pentagon.


Funny how they've survived without a scratch, then, isn't it?

Actually, his first 1973 printing of 'The Secret Team' was largely disappeared. Suppressed. Not exactly "survived without a scratch."
I was fortunate to find a 1973 edition, nevermind signed by Prouty and dedicated to an important watchdog against CIA abuses.

Here's a book dealer's blurb-
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookD ... 2%26sortby%
3D3%26tn%3DSecret%2BTeam
The author was the liason officer between the CIA and the military during the 50's and 60's. As an air force officer (Colonel) , he was excempt from taking the CIA oath of secrecy and therefore was in a position to write the book in 1973. Apparently, shortly after the book's publication, almost all copies disappeared, probably bought up by the CIA. I was lucky to find a copy, published in Taiwan (Imperial Books & Records) , in a used bookstore several years ago. The author details not only how the CIA conducts it's operations, but more importantly, how it manages to keep most or all of it's deeds from the eyes of congress, the population and even the President, if necessary. This is the best book I've read on the secret workings of the CIA and it's misdeeds during the 50' and early 60's. Not to belittle them, but The Secret Team is a far more informative book than Marchetti and Marks' The CIA And The Cult Of Intelligence.


Same thing happened to Deborah Davis' 1979 book on Katherine Graham
which outed the CIA's Operation Mockingbird. Only it was recalled and burned.

Chip CIA Berlet has put mucho merde on Prouty with big fat stinking lies which you've swallowed hook line and sinker. Other disinfoteers have also done 'attack the messenger to kill the message' hit on Prouty with distortions and lies.

I think you should actually read Prouty before you post anymore about him.
You aren't making any sense and you're better than that.


And what did that suppression accomplish other than make him more attractive, Hugh? PR isn't dangerous to anyone except the consumer. So what harm did he do them? In reality?
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:47 am

compared2what? wrote:
hmw wrote:False. There's nothing about the Protocols even written or said by Prouty or Mark Lane


He doesn't allege that there is. And if you go back and read the quote, you'll see that.


Berlet most certainly does allege this crap.
I don't know how you can miss Berlet's very intentional distortions like-
Christic inadvertently
took conspiracy allegations rooted in the Protocols,
sanitized the antisemitic references...

What does exposing CIA history and crimes have to do with the Protocols?
NOTHING! Berlet is LYING. Bald unadulterated LYING.
There..are...his...lying words.
...keeps them busy and makes them feel they're special, because they're with the white hats and against the black hats. Much as the demonization of the CIA works for you.

Woa. Now I'm getting almost a pro-CIA vibe here. A defense.
So I'm just having fun playing in their bone piles for the attention, ay?
Yikes.

However, if you're willing to do business with the Liberty Lobby, you are, at a minimum, not too bothered by things like holocaust denial or a Jew getting beaten to death here and there.

If you're willing to do business with the CIA, you are not too bothered by millions dead, tortured, trillions looted, the planet destroyed, etc.

Or, put another way, you're not too bothered by liars who play with other people's emotions and lives.

Like Chip Berlet?
Or the hundreds of CIA in the media?

Yikes. Enough of this for me. How disappointing.
Seems that c2w is:
> pro-Chip Berlet or atleast defends him and ignores his lies
> anti-CIA whistleblower
> anti-9/11 Truth in a way Berlet would approve of
> anti-HMW (no biggie, but it was the specific characterization)
...what else? Fascinating.

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Postby compared2what? » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:09 am

Like Chip Berlet?


Who'd he kill? Or categorize as a lesser form of humanity? No. Not like Chip Berlet.

Like the Liberty Lobby. Scientology. And the CIA. And, btw, LaRouche. About whose bad acts you were professing innocence back when you were still posting as Watchful Citizen, on the board before this one. When you were also decrying Chip Berlet, who has done a lot of notable reporting on LaRouche's less-than-not-fascist ways. So you've really had quite a lot of time and opportunity to learn that "ugly" is less accurate than "vicious, dishonest hate-filled sociopath."

I'd suggest there's no time like the present.

And fwiw, I still don't like Berlet. I just think it's absurd to call him evil while defending the associates of not one but two totalitarian organizations that run private worldwide intelligence agencies, and who want to take over the world then kill everyone who doesn't join them first. And who practice slavery. And who have -- PS -- left a number of dead bodies and destroyed lives behind them everywhere they go.

So, no. Not like Chip Berlet, for fuck's sake.
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Postby Occult Means Hidden » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:33 am

I smell a conspiracy:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/06/23/wa ... index.html

New info. Major General who ordered 9/11 air response was among the dead.
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Postby lupercal » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:42 am

Occult Means Hidden wrote:I smell a conspiracy:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/06/23/wa ... index.html

New info. Major General who ordered 9/11 air response was among the dead.


I was hoping it was just a freak fatal accident somewhere in DC but I had a feeling it probably wasn't. Nice find.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:41 pm

As I already wrote, LaRouche is not a good guy who should be defended.
He's a stinker that Berlet uses to smear good people by false association using the bogus bridge 'all conspiricism is just a form of the Protocols.'


That's the exact same disinfo line that Jane Harman used against Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth in Congress when they juxtaposed images of alleged jihadist bomb making websites with AE's website.

Chip CIA Berlet must be learned from so we can recognize the CIA obfuscation tactics that will continue to muddle our understanding of who the good/bad guys are and why.

CIA's Berlet teamed with an MI5 perp to patrol, distort, and purge wikipedia.

You can ignore Chaitkin/EIR's take on Berlet since they're defending a stinkpot like LaRouche if you want but atleast read Ace Hayes and OilEmpire exposing Berlet as a spook disinformationista.

Here's Berlet Watch.
-HMW
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http://berletwatch.freehostia.com/

Chip Berlet, Wall Street appendage

Here are links to articles which present a candid portrait of John Foster "Chip" Berlet, and how he has made a career of being an attack-chihuahua for the most corrupt elements of the American power elite:

Chip Berlet and the Ford Zoo, by Anton Chaitkin (Executive Intelligence Review, June 16, 2006)
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2006/3324_berlet.html

A survey of articles about Berlet, courtesy of OilEmpire.us
http://www.oilempire.us/berlet.html

www.geocities.com/Berlet_archive/ace.htm
Berlet for Beginners
Portland Free Press, July/August 1995
by Ace R. Hayes

www.redshift.com/~damason/lhreport/flas ... tters.html
FROM THE PORTLAND FREE PRESS
The Truth Matters
by Ace R. Hayes
(July/August 1997 issue)

-------------------------------------


Chip Berlet, SlimVirgin, and Wikipedia
www.geocities.com/Berlet_archive/virgin.htm

Chip Berlet, SlimVirgin, and Wikipedia
http://berletwatch.freehostia.com/virgin.htm

"Berlet for Beginners" by Ace R. Hayes (Portland Free Press, July/August 1995 issue)
http://berletwatch.freehostia.com/ace.htm

"The Truth Matters" by Ace R. Hayes (Portland Free Press, July/August 1997 issue)
http://www.redshift.com/~damason/lhrepo ... tters.html

The Quinde Affidavit -- Chip talks about his strange bedfellows (EIR)

http://berletwatch.freehostia.com/qa.htm
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Re: Lane, Prouty, and Liberty Lobby.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:26 pm

Re: Lane, Prouty, and Liberty Lobby

Attorney Mark Lane is Jewish, c2w.
He's not a Holocaust-denying anti-semite.

Gee, ya think that maybe there's more to the association of Lane and Prouty with the Liberty Lobby than Berlet's 'it's all Protocols' nonsense which you ran with? Well, duh!

Lane wrote in his book, 'Plausible Denial,' that he was not aware of any anti-semitic attributes of the Liberty Lobby when he successfully defended them against CIA E. Howard Hunt's libel lawsuit.

If I had my copy of Lane's book with me I'd cite the page number and transcribe it here for you since I try to back up what I assert with specific sources when they're available.

Lt. Col. L. Fletcher Prouty said the same thing, he was not aware of anti-semitic or racist attributes of the Liberty Lobby.

This probably because before the age of the internet it was not as easy to know the entire background history of associations for an organization.
Liberty Lobby passed itself off as merely libertarian.

And getting anything published about CIA crimes was nearly impossible except in the skin mags (Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler) which became ghettos for investigative journalism thanks to the effective gatekeeping of CIA media which protects itself from the likes of Lane, Prouty, Gary Webb, Michael Ruppert, etc.

Even today with the internet many people researching spook culture use sources that have their anti-semitic links carefully hidden on back pages of their websites, like the Arctic Beacon and American Free Press and the UK's Truth Seeker.

I think that this is actually CIA/MI5 work, setting up fake anti-semitic sites to trip up people and poison the well of non-mainstream information.
I think this is precisely why Greg Szymanski and Christopher Bollyn ran out in front of the 9/11 Truth movement feeding them tidbits, to create an anti-semitic trail of discrediting.

And make fodder for Chip CIA Berlet.
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Postby American Dream » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:34 pm

Hugh Mantatee Wins wrote:
Lane wrote in his book, 'Plausible Denial,' that he was not aware of any anti-semitic attributes of the Liberty Lobby when he successfully defended them against CIA E. Howard Hunt's libel lawsuit.

This is hard for me to believe.

Hugh Mantatee Wins wrote:
I think this is precisely why Greg Szymanski and Christopher Bollyn ran out in front of the 9/11 Truth movement feeding them tidbits, to create an anti-semitic trail of discrediting.

This is easy for me to believe.


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Postby MinM » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:46 pm

American Dream wrote:Hugh Mantatee Wins wrote:
Lane wrote in his book, 'Plausible Denial,' that he was not aware of any anti-semitic attributes of the Liberty Lobby when he successfully defended them against CIA E. Howard Hunt's libel lawsuit.

This is hard for me to believe...

You're correct AD. Haviv Scheiber actually disabused Mark Lane of the notion:

I offered that I heard of Spotlight and Liberty Lobby. "Isn't that an extremist, anti-Semitic group?" I (Mark Lane) asked.

Haviv sighed heavily and said, "Not you too, Mark. To be against the policies of Israel, to give Arafat a chance to be heard, it is not anti-Semitic. Arafat is a Semite too."

pg. 118 "Plausible Denial"
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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:56 pm

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Ahem.

(Adjusting my League of Nations lapel pin and signalling for time from the chair...)

Before this gets into WMD rhetoric and irreversible bad vibes, I recommend a break.

During this time, HMW should research the history of LaRouche as a persistent, powerful and pervasive COINTELPRO-like force of disruption within the left and other US opposition movements, as well as the patriarch's cozy relationship with certain arms-making lobbies, as well as the facts about Webster Tarpley's relationship to the whole (and his apparent inability to drop the LaRouche style and tactics in his attacks on perceived competitors)...

and c2w? should read this:
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/

If you don't mind. But please stop at any point, if you hit anything that reeks to you of Protocols. Because I don't believe you will.

It is a look into the structure and workings of the post-1947 national security state intelligence sector, by a well-placed insider. Regardless of what more-than ugly associations the author may have later picked up, I daresay his earlier associations as Pentagon logistics liason to the CIA "operations" branch involved a great deal more complicity in murder and felony than his later associations as a writer seeking publishers, even odioous ones (or, for all I know, as a curmudgeon going down multiple wrong tracks). None of it changes the fact that the work stands on its own as an insider's look into... (go back to the beginning of this paragraph and repeat).

I'd love it if we started a little reading circle where we went chapter by chapter through books like this one together, including the part where we deconstruct'em for all they're worth.

I submit the above as a temporary ceasefire proposal, pending a later escalation into open hostilities and serial name-calling.

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Apropos the last, and largely as a tangent, but for the record, I am equally happy with characterizations of Berlet as...

"mostly harmless" or rather: just one of a much larger harmful herd of "conspiracy panickers" (Jack Bratich) whose influence derives from the platforms he's routinely given and not from his sorry-assed stringing together of fallacious argument and false association

...as I am with "sack of shit."

While the attack on the right's subversion of the left via grand conspiracy narratives and their pernicious and indeed often deadly influence (as c2w? also presents) is fully warranted, I submit for Berlet that is not at all an end, but a means to stigmatize all those who would question certain myths central to both the CIA and capitalism. He's not in it to show why the von Brunns are bad, he's in it maliciously to tie the von Brunns to a not-necessarily related population group that would pretty much include everyone at RI, for a start. In this regard, he has no more scruple than Glenn Beck. I mean, just look at how neatly he tries to banish as "anti-Semitic" any words describing the very concept of a powerful and corrupt international financial sector ("bankster" I might add was FDR's coinage, and it is beyond apt!).

But that is neither here nor there.

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Postby barracuda » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:01 pm

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This discussion is currently bordering on semi-epic stature. Thanks all.
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Postby Sweejak » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:21 pm

FWIW

"..Berlet suggests that I am a sock-puppet for LaRouche. LaRouche drove me out of his organization in 1997, more than ten years ago. I have nothing in common with LaRouche, whose supporters have repeatedly slandered me, albeit in terms slightly different from those used by Berlet. LaRouche is a border guard for the sinister Hillary Clinton-Rahm Emanuel neocon warmonger machine in the Democratic Party. He is currently trying to combine that with the notion that Bush is a force for peace with Putin’s Russia – a manifest absurdity, since Bush is promoting aggression against Russia in the form of a nuclear first-strike capability. Contrary to what Berlet writes, LaRouche has no commitment to 9/11 truth and has contributed nothing to the 9/11 truth movement. LaRouche has rather sponsored a personality cult complete with a youth movement
which is a parody of Chairman Mao’s Red Guards of the mid-1960s..."


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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:43 pm

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Tarpley is not a sock puppet of LaRouche.

He's more like Trotsky to LaRouche's Stalin.

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