Jani's at the mercy of her mind

[MacCruiskeen]

The blog strikes me as including tremendous amounts of narcissistic projection onto his daughter. In one instance he goes out of his way to explain to another child in the park that Jani has named her doll "baby 58" because she "likes numbers." I don't understand why the father feels so incredibly self conscious about this as to need to explain it at all (kids like to make up weird names, period) and so I am not surprised it might provoke an aggressive reaction, perhaps of embarrassment from her.

But above and beyond all else, reading descriptions of what, at least, sounds like the perfectly healthy make-believe of children being described as "psychosis" is bone-chilling.

Agreed, 100%.

And his self-obsessed madness just goes on and on and on, and all he gets for it in his blog comments-box is applause and fawning approval. It is absolutely sickening.

This is from his latest screed (posted yesterday):

Susan and I pushed for the diagnosis of schizophrenia. And UCLA resisted...for five months. Now she has the label. And I am happy.


How can I be happy?


Because if it isn't schizophrenia, then my daughter is just a bad kid. She is just a brat, (You bastard.) with behavioral problems. But I have heard my daughter say she wanted to die. (No wonder.) I have seen her hit herself in the head with a drumstick as hard as she could so she wouldn't hit a boy. I have seen her cry out in pain while rolling her wrists very rapidly which pulled on her injured fingers, but not be able to stop. I have seen her scream in pain because she couldn't stop. (No fucking wonder, when you never stop torturing her and stuffing her full of poison.)


I have seen my daughter starting to fall out of a window because she wasn't allowed to hit our dog.


And then I have seen her kiss and hug her baby brother. I have seen her follow directions with a smile on her face and without complaint. I have seen her try to rationalize with her own delusions, telling the rats that they can't do this or that. (In short, you have seen her being a child, trying in vain to have a life in your presence.)


I am not going to judge the Rileys. (Well, there's a surprise. Because that would be judgmental, wouldn't it?) Yes, Rebecca Riley (who died of a massive overdose, aged 4) looks sweet in the photo. But so does Jani. Yes, the principal of Rebecca's school said she seemed weak and tired all the time. I got called by Jani's school last January because she had come into the school nurse's office drooling and vacant. I told her the same thing the Rileys told their principal: it is just the meds. Jani went into dystonia and had to be transported by ambulance to the local ER.)


We pulled Jani back on the meds, and five days later (What happened in the meantime?) she went crazy at school, running through the halls and trying to throw herself through doors and windows and hiding under desks. (Why, exactly?? What was the exact context? What had she just been through, with you and/ or her mother, and/or the teachers? You don't condescend to tell us. And she is a tiny child.)


Only by letting the Sheriff be called did we get Jani into hospital.


Rebecca never went to hospital, and she died. (She died because her parents and her doctor stuffed her with poison for months if not years.)


The Rileys kept increasing Rebecca's dose of Clonidin, going from 2 pills to 2 and a half. During the three weeks that Jani was home, we went from 25mg of Thorazine every three hours to every TWO hours.


You look at the picture of Rebecca Riley and say "How could a girl like that be so hard? She was only four!" And then you look at Jani and say the same thing. But you know better. Because you have read. This is my struggle (!!!), to articulate how a four year old could be so out of control that their parents had no choice but to keep upping the meds.

"No choice." Sic.

And "my struggle"... That's "mein Kampf" in German, of course.

Adolf Hitler too was a very sick man, and pitiable, and damaged in his own childhood; but that doesn't prevent us from being judgmental (sic) about his words and actions, and doing everything possible to oppose them. Does it? (And should it?)

PS - I'm not going to apologise for over-formatting this post or any of the others. Michael Schofield is torturing his small daughter to death, he's getting almost nothing but fawning praise (or prudent fence-sitting) in response, and the quacks are supporting his murderous efforts to the hilt.

And that's worth shouting about, if anything is.

Jesus fucking christ.

[Nordic]

Jeez, why is everything completely black-and-white with you?

Did it ever occur to you that MAYBE the daughter is nuts AND the father ain't so mentally healthy as well?

It sorta runs in families, duh.

Yes, the father says a LOT of very disturbing things in this blog, and I'm astounded he admits to many of them and makes them public. The guy's a mess.

And so's his daugther.

The father's behavior is abominable.

That doesn't mean the girl isn't severely mentally ill.

Why the "either/or" judgement with you?

That's not a very rigorous attitude. You're letting your emotions and your prejudices blind you to all the possibilities here.

And you're being really annoying, basically accusing those of us who might actually think the girl has mental health problems as "siding" with a father who is beginning to be compared to Hitler for god's sake.

Calm down. Take a breath. Detach yourself from your emotions a bit.

[lightningBugout]

Mac, I'm with you in spirit though I'm withholding some judgment of the dad if only because his worldview is 100% supported by the dominant culture. He is much much less to blame than, say Eli Lilly, or your average neuropsyhiatrist. And because the higher the tenor against him is raised, the more likely the valid criticism to get lost.

Some of what feels particularly objectionable seems to be due to the tone in which he writes, which is sadly an attempt @ dissociated moral high-irony. You sense that he is highly self-aware and has crafted a voice that is meant to reflect the amorality of his internal turmoil, which I think is supposed to seem cutting and brilliant. As evil as it makes me feel to criticize someone in his position, I strongly agree that what he is actually saying throughout his posting is terrifying.

[MacCruiskeen]

Jeez, why is everything completely black-and-white with you?

Did it ever occur to you that MAYBE the daughter is nuts AND the father ain't so mentally healthy as well?

It sorta runs in families, duh.

With all due respect: stop wasting everyone's time and go seek your entertainment elsewhere. Of course the daughter is "nuts" (sic). Her parents and the quacks are driving her nuts, day in day out.

Do me the basic courtesy of addressing the evidence.

Yes, the father says a LOT of very disturbing things in this blog, and I'm astounded he admits to many of them and makes them public. The guy's a mess.

And so's his daugther.

The father's behavior is abominable.

That doesn't mean the girl isn't severely mentally ill (sic).

Why the "either/or" judgement with you?

Your question is grotesque. See above. Examine your premises and ask yourself whether your terms make any sense at all.

That's not a very rigorous attitude.

If you can get off the fence long enough to answer this question: Precisely where do I show a lack of rigour?

You're letting your emotions and your prejudices blind you to all the possibilities here.

No I'm not. Post any evidence you have that that child was in any way "mentally ill" (sic) before her parents starting abusing her, brutally.

Out with it, Nordic. Put your money where your mouth is. I want to see that evidence. And it better be good.

And you're being really annoying (This is beyond satire), basically accusing those of us who might actually think the girl has mental health problems (sic!!!) as "siding" with a father who is beginning to be compared to Hitler for god's sake.

Calm down. Take a breath. Detach yourself from your emotions a bit.

Nordic, you are suffering from cognitive impairment and severe impoverishment of affect. You are clearly mentally ill.

Doctor's orders: Take your meds.

[lightningBugout]

Nordic. I, for one, am not in disbelief the girl has a form of mental illness. I'm interested (more broadly) in just what mental illness is. I'm well aware that my emotions are present due to my own experiences with my own mind and with loved ones who are verifiably mentally ill. But this story really is highly problematic and I maintain that many people who work in the mental health field would concur with that.

In family therapy there is a concept called "the identified patient." Which basically means that very often the person in a dysfunctional family who presents the most symptoms is usually, actually, the most healthy because they have not adapted to a fucked up situation. The scale of what is being described here is very extreme and it does sound as though there is alot of chemistry involved, not just psychodynamic stuff by a longshot, but the father is virtually proof that the identified patient concept has some real applicability here.

Given that the father has roundly dismissed "exorcism" as the terrain of fundamentalists (understandable given that one Christian suggested this tack while citing some biblical reference to Jesus casting out spirits as proof the concept is not so "far-fetched"), I feel a bit self-conscious writing about it, but fuck it. From the perspective of Qi Jong and other Asian energy healing, the phenomena of "bad" (for lack of a better word) energy which gets attached to organic systems is very real. I can give several examples from my own experience with Reiki. And I am utterly convinced that in 500 years we will recognize this entirely. That is, we are living in a time before the germ theory of medicine and someday will recognize the existence of electromagnetic germs, historically called stuff like "demons." And I suspect that the basica historical association between certain types of "madness" and such "demons" bears a bit of wisdom that has been, itself, exorcised from our culture.

My thought about certain cases of mental illness is that people with cetain brain chemistry and overall makeup may have a susceptibility towards said disturbances.

For some reason, and I am wholly musing in a way I would not feel comfortable doing to this man and family directly, the cast of characters that appear to be interacting with Jani make me think of this. Its mostly an emotional reaction but its coming from someone who is, as far as the dominant culture goes, mostly secular and fundamentally un-Christian. Less so, even than this dad.

btw. I picked up The Exorcist yesterday. For starters, it's a great book. But I wonder if anyone knows a bit more about William Peter Blatty who wrote it. I've seen reference to him having worked in Psy-Ops before, but am not at all certain this is true.

[justdrew]

well, I STILL agree with Mac...

her behaviors are misinterpreted by her crazy dad. she's now only labeled schizo because the dad insisted on it. MANY of the worst examples of seemingly crazy behavior are the result of the drugs and the crazy environment of the parents histrionically responding to every abnormal behavior exhibited. All of which are now pre-conditioned by heavy psychotropic drugs that are damaging and were never intended for or tested safe for young children. Many of the violent or dangerous behaviors seem to be extreme expressions of frustration and don't seem all that outrageously abnormal to me. It could well be that 400-the-cat is her mental representation OF her dad. 400 is big (hence the large number). Cats are more bad and the rats are good. She likely sees herself as one-the-rat. january is the first month. The first rat.

agitprop- you're so protective of these parents, but you slag every foster parent as a probable rapist in the next sentence. that's outrageous.

the doctor who suggested she needed to be in a residential care facility was spot on. She needs to be away from that Dad. I guarantee it. and it doesn't matter WHY. Maybe he's exacerbating the problems, maybe he's the chief etiology behind them, maybe he's just past the ability to deal properly (he claims to have tried to kill himself because of her), whatever, she would be better off in a good facility where she can have a team of people watching that she doesn't hurt herself or others. Professional care givers in the places should not be painted as all some kind of probably monsters, just he opposite is generally the case. I don't consider there to be ANY valid reason to keep the kid with the bio-parents when that is clearly NOT WORKING. They do not necessarily have to loose custody to get her into a good facility, but at this point a loss of custody is entirely within the realm of possible. The parents would still be able to visit, unless a clear pattern of that causing problems develops, which I think it would develop. Note that at the hospital stays, the parents have been around constantly, so the girl didn't get any time AWAY from them.

Now that I see they pushed for her diagnosis hard for five months, my speculation that this is something analogous to Munchausen by proxy syndrome (MBPS) http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html
Now I hear he's working on a Hollywood movie treatment?

one place in his blog I see he complains (and I guess the justification for not getting her into one) that all the residential care facilities are "too far away". Well... MOVE, but really, the parents don't need to go there every day, and it would be FAR BETTER if they didn't. Status Quo is not healthy for any of this family, something different must be tried. Helping the poor girl detox from all these inappropriate drugs is going to take a few months just for starters. It must be done to get her back to as close as possible to baseline and she must have the opportunity to show improvement over six months or more after she's off the drugs and away from the home environment and without the parents spending hours with her every day and pumping her full of junk food.
http://www.einet.net/directory/949447/Treatment_Facilities.htm

Intermediate Care Facilities: Offering Relief for Parents & Care for Mentally Ill Children
If you are the parent of a child who suffers from mental illness or from disability, there is no doubt you understand the extreme emotional and physical fatigue that can be associated with managing care of your child, 24 hours per day, seven days per week. In
an effort to alleviate the stress, isolation and anxiety associated with caring for a disabled or mentally ill child, many parents are turning to the services of Intermediate care facilities as a viable option for collaborate care.

[chiggerbit]

She locks her fingers in front of her chest and flexes her wrists furiously, a tic that surfaces when she's anxious....

Born Aug. 8, 2002, Jani was different from the start, sleeping fitfully for only about four hours a day. Most infants sleep 14 to 16 hours a day. Only constant, high-energy stimulation kept Jani from screaming....

"It was impossible to overstimulate her. We would leave at 8 in the morning and be gone for 14 hours. We could not come home until Jani had been worn out enough so that she would sleep a couple of hours....

July 8, 2008: Claps hands, hops (tic-like)...

But she flaps her hands and rarely stops moving...

[agitprop]

Out with it, Nordic. Put your money where your mouth is. I want to see that evidence. And it better be good.

.

Mac, How can Nordic put his money where his mouth is while simultaneously sitting on the fence? You want him to support his non position on the issue with concrete evidence? Are you out of YOUR mind?

[MacCruiskeen]

What's that in response to, chiggerbit?

And what point are you intending to make with it?

(I had posted it already, by the way, with comments.)

[lightningBugout]

well, I STILL agree with Mac...

her behaviors are misinterpreted by her crazy dad. she's now only labeled schizo because the dad insisted on it. MANY of the worst examples of seemingly crazy behavior are the result of the drugs and the crazy environment of the parents histrionically responding to every abnormal behavior exhibited. All of which are now pre-conditioned by heavy psychotropic drugs that are damaging and were never intended for or tested safe for young children. Many of the violent or dangerous behaviors seem to be extreme expressions of frustration and don't seem all that outrageously abnormal to me. It could well be that 400-the-cat is her mental representation OF her dad. 400 is big (hence the large number). Cats are more bad and the rats are good. She likely sees herself as one-the-rat. january is the first month. The first rat.

agitprop- you're so protective of these parents, but you slag every foster parent as a probable rapist in the next sentence. that's outrageous.

the doctor who suggested she needed to be in a residential care facility was spot on. She needs to be away from that Dad. I guarantee it. and it doesn't matter WHY. Maybe he's exacerbating the problems, maybe he's the chief etiology behind them, maybe he's just past the ability to deal properly (he claims to have tried to kill himself because of her), whatever, she would be better off in a good facility where she can have a team of people watching that she doesn't hurt herself or others. Professional care givers in the places should not be painted as all some kind of probably monsters, just he opposite is generally the case. I don't consider there to be ANY valid reason to keep the kid with the bio-parents when that is clearly NOT WORKING. They do not necessarily have to loose custody to get her into a good facility, but at this point a loss of custody is entirely within the realm of appropriate. The parents would still be able to visit, unless a clear pattern of that causing problems develops, which I think it would develop. Note that at the hospital stays, the parents have been around constantly, so the girl didn't get any time AWAY from them.

Now that I see they pushed for her diagnosis hard for five months, my speculation that this is something analogous to Munchausen by proxy syndrome (MBPS) http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html
Now I hear he's working on a Hollywood movie treatment?

one place in his blog I see he complains (and I guess the justification for not getting her into one) that all the residential care facilities are "too far away". Well... MOVE, but really, the parents don't need to go there every day, and it would be FAR BETTER if they didn't. Status Quo is not healthy for any of this family, something different must be tried. Helping the poor girl detox from all these inappropriate drugs is going to take a few months just for starters.
http://www.einet.net/directory/949447/Treatment_Facilities.htm

Intermediate Care Facilities: Offering Relief for Parents & Care for Mentally Ill Children
If you are the parent of a child who suffers from mental illness or from disability, there is no doubt you understand the extreme emotional and physical fatigue that can be associated with managing care of your child, 24 hours per day, seven days per week. In
an effort to alleviate the stress, isolation and anxiety associated with caring for a disabled or mentally ill child, many parents are turning to the services of Intermediate care facilities as a viable option for collaborate care.

Wow, to respond a bit too quickly perhaps -- I think you are fucking spot on Drew. And it actually dovetails very well with something related to my own post. Basically, forget Munchausen. What may well be happening is something that is psychologica but actually has a physical basis as well -- the concept of the "introject" in psychology in which a developing personality forms an internal representation of an abusive parent. And you are totally fucking right -- 400, the cat. Big, old and powerful. Telling the kid to go kill herself, which the father only slightly subconsciously, based on his blog entries, is very close to wishing she would do. And she gets it.

Now the thing is, in my experience and in the opinion of many therapists, the "introject" is not just a psychological phenomena. It has a physical manifestation as well. It represents an abuser literally "putting" part of himself into the child. Interestingly, this is closely related to the thesis of Randy Noblitt and Pamela Perskin Noblitt's book on RA (circa 1996 or so -- it should be mandatory reading for anyone offering an opinion about RA here, IMHO) which is that RA is simply a systematic way of doing this.

What is happening here appears so fucking simple, and such a time-tested phenomena. The kid is psychically vulnerable and/or sensitive and so she has become a scapegoat. As in, literally connected to the old practice of filling an animal up with all the bad shit in a community and slaughtering it or letting it die.

This idea seems so well supported by the father's continual reference (projection) to instances in which he is embarassed by his daughter, feels shame and humiliation about her, and in which he is clearly projecting his own adult emotions onto her. One example of that last bit is when she freaks out at the eye doctor and has a tantrum. He narrates her mind, suggesting that she erroneously feels that getting a letter wrong on an eyetest represents her sense of moral shame @ such a failure. Puh-fucking-lease. A six year old who has been structurally convinced she is an utter failure has a tantrum when she does something that feels like it has let her parent down and he universalizes this into her moral awareness? Huh? Perhaps, pop, this kid feels like she cannot do anything right because you and an army of white-coats keep re-inforcing this, thereby alienating her from the rest of the world and leaving her starved for affirmation, nurturing and the development of a stable sense of self?

And so, how curious, ne stunning, that she would feel murderous rage @ her new baby brother who is receiving all that nurturing and warmness.

All of this may be completely wrong. I'm not a part of the family, just a concerned bystander with a tiny, tiny bit of information but damn does this kid appear to be in, perhaps, the worst double bind I have ever seen.

[MacCruiskeen]

Out with it, Nordic. Put your money where your mouth is. I want to see that evidence. And it better be good.

.

Mac, How can Nordic put his money where his mouth is while simultaneously sitting on the fence? You want him to support his non position on the issue with concrete evidence? Are you out of YOUR mind?

The question was perfectly clear to anyone not cognitively impaired.

You are a buffoon as well as a brute. Stop wasting my time.

[monster]

01110011011000110110100001
10100101111010011011110111
00000110100001110010011001
01011011100110100101100001

[justdrew]

01110011011000110110100001
10100101111010011011110111
00000110100001110010011001
01011011100110100101100001

thud

[chiggerbit]

Just noting several mentions of stimming and high need of stimulation, Mac.

[agitprop]

well, I STILL agree with Mac...



agitprop- you're so protective of these parents, but you slag every foster parent as a probable rapist in the next sentence. that's outrageous.

the doctor who suggested she needed to be in a residential care facility was spot on. She needs to be away from that Dad. I guarantee it.

The child will be in more danger if placed with people who don't love her. I didn't use the word rape, but can assure you that the incidence of sexual molestation is higher in the foster parent crowd, than the natural parent crowd, and even higher when the foster child is actively hallucinating. Predators come crawling out of the woodwork around people like that. The kids have zero credibility. Nothing I've said has been at all "outrageous", but you and your hysterical buddies seem to be able to believe anything that looks like it just might conform to your understanding of a very narrow spectrum of human interaction.

But keep on with the utter tosh. If there are people in the elite performing rituals and acting scenes right out of "Eyes Wide Shut"--they're laughing. You may as well be disinfo agents you're so effective at making the entire subject look silly.