Horrorcore rapper faces murder charges.

[Percival]

These people are seriously fucking twisted. Its a cult.

[Percival]

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I've been following this thread with interest, having fairly recently spent some time on similar themes (horror in art), although without any of the gravitas of a fresh multiple murder, over in the Annihilate Kill! Kill!thread.

Although I think barracuda makes a good point of comparing today's horrorcore to yesterday's punk rock, heavy metal or what-have-you, the thing about horrorcore that strikes me as offensive is the cool detachment of the vocals; it truly is sociopathic.

Other 'hard' music bearing similar themes doesn't seem so emotionally detached, and I think that is a marked difference, and what I find distasteful in horrorcore. That, and what I've heard so far is pretty uninspired musically.

Also, hip-hop I thought, well, the narrative has you rooting for the rapper as a kind of folk hero, even if he or she is an antihero. like say a gangsta, there are still good qualities there. That seems absent in this genre.

Hmm, just some thoughts. More later, when I feel better and more details come to light.

[Percival]

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I've been following this thread with interest, having fairly recently spent some time on similar themes (horror in art), although without any of the gravitas of a fresh multiple murder, over in the Annihilate Kill! Kill!thread.

Although I think barracuda makes a good point of comparing today's horrorcore to yesterday's punk rock, heavy metal or what-have-you, the thing about horrorcore that strikes me as offensive is the cool detachment of the vocals; it truly is sociopathic.

Other 'hard' music bearing similar themes doesn't seem so emotionally detached, and I think that is a marked difference, and what I find distasteful in horrorcore. That, and what I've heard so far is pretty uninspired musically.

Also, hip-hop I thought, well, the narrative has you rooting for the rapper as a kind of folk hero, even if he or she is an antihero. like say a gangsta, there are still good qualities there. That seems absent in this genre.

Hmm, just some thoughts. More later, when I feel better and more details come to light.

Good stuff and thanks for sharing, definitely some things to think about.

[Wombaticus Rex]

The vocals are "detached" because the rappers suck. They're white kids with poor chi flow and no role models for engaging, interesting and technically skilled rap.

I realize none of you are that up on rapping as an artform, but Eminem's entire last album was about drug addiction, serial killing and torturing women. He's an example of disturbingly passionate and engaging vocals in the service of sociopathic content.

[Maddy]

Mmm... I don't think SickTanic knew of it ahead of time. This doesn't mean that I think he gives a crap. I don't think this is real to any of them - yet. Its too surreal to be real, when you think about it from their side. I'd be in shock too, hearing that someone I know went on a killing rampage and slaughtered people I knew. Too close to home. And more so I'd be less concerned about it if I already didn't value (or at least pretended to not value) human life. But these are still kids (so what if they're in their early 20s, they're still emotionally behaving like teenagers) - and the ratio of real sociopaths to these pretend sociopaths is very small. I'm sure most of them really do care and are in real shock right now. They're just doing more 'fronting' to try and impress their friends, which further closes off real feelings, and creates more of a sociopathic/narcissistic persona that could, one day, be real.

Good morning!

[Maddy]

Wombat - yeah, I know little to nothing about rap, to be honest, due to the sociopathic nature of it (not all of it, but enough of it). I like the music, but the lyrics really turn me off. Kind of like this horrorcore. I guess I'm either too old, or too much of a 'wussy'.

[IanEye]

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[Percival]

Wombat - yeah, I know little to nothing about rap, to be honest, due to the sociopathic nature of it (not all of it, but enough of it). I like the music, but the lyrics really turn me off. Kind of like this horrorcore. I guess I'm either too old, or too much of a 'wussy'.

Morning Maddy, nothing wrong with being a wussy! Thats a great word btw, we used it often as kids, everyone was a wus in our opinion.

[OP ED]

sheesh. olde peoples. i remember hearing shit about sting when i was young:


Written by sting & andy summers

Once that youve decided on a killing
First you make a stone of your heart
And if you find that your hands are still willing
Then you can turn a murder into art

There really isnt any need for bloodshed
You just do it with a little more finesse
If you can slip a tablet into someones coffee
Then it avoids an awful lot of mess

Its murder by numbers, one, two, three
Its as easy to learn as your abc
Murder by numbers, one, two, three
Its as easy to learn as your abc

Now if you have a taste for this experience
And youre flushed with your very first success
Then you must try a twosome or a threesome
And youll find your conscience bothers you much less

Because murder is like anything you take to
Its a habit-forming need for more and more
You can bump off every member of your family
And anybody else you find a bore

Because its murder by numbers, one, two, three
Its as easy to learn as your abc
Murder by numbers, one, two, three
Its as easy to learn as your abc

Now you can join the ranks of the illustrious
In historys great dark hall of fame
All our greatest killers were industrious
At least the ones that we all know by name

But you can reach the top of your profession
If you become the leader of the land
For murder is the sport of the elected
And you dont need to lift a finger of your hand

Because its murder by numbers, one, two, three
Its as easy to learn as your abc
Murder by numbers, one, two, three
Its as easy to learn as your a, b, c, d, e

[SonicG]

yah, I get your point and I hate to come off sounding like an old fuddy-duddy but c'mon, you have to see a difference between a one-off song by three prancing fey Brit-boys (why not pull out "I Don't Like Mondays" too) and the single-minded focus of horrorcore with accompanying glorification and visual imagery. A steady diet of any one thing certainly has its consequences. Also, it goes without saying that a steady diet of nothing but, say, the Holy Bible or the Koran can lead to dangerous single-mindedness.

I know how this bubbled up from the underground. I remember Albini pumping up Sotos and Pure, Answer Me publishing the Top 100 serial killers, a Kitchen Sink comic about Ed Gein, etc.. I am not advocating blaming a genre or censorship but rather examining the hows and whys of the attraction of the material which I think is intimately tied into the character post-industrial capitalism.

[Maddy]

I <3 Sting.

... examining the hows and whys of the attraction of the material which I think is intimately tied into the character post-industrial capitalism.

Exactly. The music isn't the cause, the music is the effect. I listen to various music depending upon my mood and where my head is at. I use music to vent, often. I use art to vent, often. It represents where I am at any given point in time. I've written prose (badly) which represents where I am in any given point in time. Stories too, to vent. I love horror movies, but I don't want to imitate them. I think lots of very not nice things at times, but it doesn't mean I want to act upon my sadistic musings. And its not the movies or the music or the art that I love that has caused the emotions in me that I have when I create my own venting mechanisms (whatever it may be at the moment). As a matter of fact, the music, the musings, the writing helps to deflect and release a lot of the emotional energy that I have. And something happens/ed that causes/ed the emotions that need releasing.

That's what needs to be investigated.

What needs investigated is (as I stated before) what keeps someone like me (or you or anyone here) from ever acting upon their rage or thoughts (no matter what the rage or thoughts are about) and what causes another to act upon theirs.

[polytron]

I love this song...

The Misfits - Last Caress
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXMXV1fLeyc

imho this is great art.

disgusting... yes
brilliant... yes

[OP ED]

Although I think barracuda makes a good point of comparing today's horrorcore to yesterday's punk rock, heavy metal or what-have-you, the thing about horrorcore that strikes me as offensive is the cool detachment of the vocals; it truly is sociopathic.

its just progressive, although not in the positive sense in which i'd usually use the term. horror movies are more "detached" nowadays too.

hell normal movies are more detached than horror movies used to be. See also: Q. Tarantino

[Maddy]

Good point and I agree.

Also Natrual Born Killers is one of my favourite movies - and I still don't go out slaughtering people.

So back to my query: what is it that causes this difference?