So, what would you do if Danny Casolaro asked for your help?

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Postby OP ED » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:07 am

American Dream wrote:Searcher, maybe you said previously and I missed it, but can you tell us how desertfae first came across your radar screen, back around February 2008?



well she's been posting here since early 08, which is how i first noticed her. maybe he just clicked on her website from her posts?

here:

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... p?p=164870

As for Desert Fae, I can assure you that I know that she, law enforcement and Nathan Baca of KESQ-TV maintain a trilogy by communicating and attempting to control what is released.


oh you can assure me?

I also believe that Desert Fae has high hopes of being a key witness in the event that Jimmy Hughes is ever brought to trial.


ugh.

that's disgusting. you should be ashamed of yourself.

[VM finds herself on OP ED's blacklist]
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Postby hava1 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:22 am

Just that i am very disappointed at the authorities you are feeding on, and mentioned horse whisperer, because sometimes it feels like someone else is in the backstage.

The hemlin thread is on the board, i thought its a classic DE-RI coproduction of spinning the facts, creating a "Story" (for greed, fame and masturbation), while smartly grinding the victims they are supposedly "helping", all in the process of "outing" conspiracies. Not agent baiting here, i would say straight that its a craftsmenship of muddying waters and helping the perps of all those conspiracies. I read SW's plea to define this board as something projustice, but i would really like to know if there was any positive real input from this board to law enforcement or media. So far there is a fresh dead artist whose name was dragged in the mud posthumously, and dubious websites like that of your VM who really help keep conspiracies as a side kick for psychos. The only feedback in real life I found for some of the stuff here was coming from the spook community, the computer games freaks-thugs, and iranian propaganda, the latter being the more positive of them all. (i prefer iran to arg-killers and CIA).

I don't know VM and i went through Mae Brussel's archives a few years ago with "israel" as keyword. well, its a kind of 101 for beginners, but really one is left with absolutely nothing meaningful. just "Art".

Since the Iran Contras affair (and around it) is very real, and since it involves Israel, i am too asking how come a person purports to know something, without explaining the sources, and why she is not...say...in my situation (jobless and maligned), as we all know these people are not only real, but still very much in power, at least were, till not long ago.

Also how come you can sit all day, 24-7 and post on boards. are u wealthy?
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Postby American Dream » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:09 am

Hi hava-

No- not wealthy, very underemployed and living on limited funds, but I am often working at home with the computer on, and doing this is at worst a distraction, at best something meaningful.

Hava, you seem to be making a case that you think or know that a lot of people are "dirty" who aren't commonly believed to be so. I follow what you're saying and do agree with the general theme that infiltrators and opportunists are operating in our world. As to identifying specific people, that's a very tricky thing to be sure about.

Here's some themes I can validate from what I saw in the above:

We don't really know who is on this board. We know their usernames and what they post, but there are real limitations.

I'd say it's safe to assume that people with bad intentions come here, personally- some are organized, some are not.

Israel has a real place on the map as far as covert politics goes. Some people neglect it for nefarious reasons, some for innocent reasons.

The conspiracy research community has real "bad apples" in it, as well as bozos. It also has a huge challenge in being more than "conspiratainment".

Also, are you saying that Israel was "the source" of Iran Contra?
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Postby chiggerbit » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:37 am

That LaRouche nugget is interesting. Don't know if I haven't seen that in the past, or if LaRouche just wasn't on my radar back then.
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Postby Searcher08 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:03 pm

American Dream wrote:Searcher, maybe you said previously and I missed it, but can you tell us how desertfae first came across your radar screen, back around February 2008?


Hi A_D

I have been interested in Promis since discovering it through Mike Ruppert's work and seeing Indira Singh's comments about it on fromthewilderness.com . Indira is someone I respect as highly as Sibel Edmonds.
I also (post 9/11) got interested in Catherine Austin Fitt's work at solari.com and she provided lots of background links at her old forum.

Some time ago, I was starting to get into the deep politics aspects of 9/11, around the same time as 8bit. For some time, I thought we might be the only people on RI to 'suicide ourselves'. When I was mindmapping stuff (a bit like a hightech Mark Lombardi), my phone started getting funny noises on it - weird clicks etc)

I came across Rachel's videos on Youtube after reading The Last Circle online and getting into the nitty gritty of Inslaw.

I guess I have seen desertfae (and 8bit and myself on occasion tbh) as being a bit like Danny Casolaro.

For the record, I have never communicated with Rachel before or after her posting here. She is just someone who I think has mighty cojones for what she is doing and deserves support.
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Postby American Dream » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:48 pm

Thank you, Searcher.

Has anybody here got a channel in to desertfae to get some kind of statement from her here?
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Postby Jeff » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:58 pm

Quite apart from the controversies regarding, or perhaps imputed to, desertfae, I think this paragraph contains insights worth considering. Too many to bold:

Virginia McCullough wrote:
Pg. 11 fascinated me because of the discussion between Penguin, Percival and Nathan 28 re the reality of the Promis software. Certainly Danny Casolaro became involved in "The Octopus" because of Bill and Nancy Hamilton and the Inslaw case. Behind the introduction of Danny to the Hamiltons was Jeffrey Steinberg of the LaRouche origanization. Therefore the reality of the fabled Promis software and whether or not it was/is truly "the Cadillac" of all software iwas at the core of his investigation, at least it was in its infancy. But like all good investigations, the center of the investigation changes with time and the information obtained. So it did with Danny. I know this because in the months before his murder I often talked to him three or four times a day, evidenced by both his and my phone records in my possession. So the discussion on page 11 clearly demonstrates that over time Inslaw was not everything that was being hyped so intensely in the media and promoted by Michael Riconosciuto in the later part of 1990 and throughout 1991. Most scientists in Silicon Valley the Cobol-based Promis software is old and slow...by today's standards it is a dinosaur. It was Michael Riconosciuto's allegations that turned Promis into the super software of legend. During the last several weeks of Danny's life his attention had clearly shifted to the gold transfers conveyed by various intelligence operatives as so well detailed by Unsolved Mysteries reporter Don Devereaux. The two Unsolved Mysteries programs covering Danny's killing and the misplaced hit intended for Don Devereaux following the Casolaro airing clearly demonstrates the danger in delving into government/mob secrets .


For me anyway, this makes better sense of Promis and Riconosciuto and places Casolaro's murder in clearer context.
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Postby chiggerbit » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:35 pm

From the data dump:

LaRouche also expresses reverence for the memory of Hassan ibn Saba, the "Old Man of the Mountain," who headed a medieval cult of assassins.
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Postby Percival » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:56 pm

chiggerbit wrote:From the data dump:

LaRouche also expresses reverence for the memory of Hassan ibn Saba, the "Old Man of the Mountain," who headed a medieval cult of assassins.


I really love your random drops. :lol:
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Postby Percival » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:57 pm

OP ED wrote:i love you percy. and i love your optimism.

i find it unlikely though.

FWIW, rachel seemed to indicate to me that she wasn't, at least at the time of her response to me, really all that interested in coming back here, to deal with people demanding copies of her birth certificate.

although she very well may, when she has time, as she explained to me that she is quite understandably very busy, what with the guy she thinks shot her dad having just been arrested and all.

for the record though, percy, if i was her, and you'd just suggested that my interest in my father's murder being solved was motivated solely by "greed", i'm not sure i'd come here to talk to you either...

[cause that is kind of an assholish thing to say]

[just as it was assholish when AD less courageously implied it with his cafepress comment]


Meh. I think it was directed at one person more than the other. I am really not here to shit on anyone, whether it be VM or desertfae. I just want to know whats going on and who is telling the truth and who is lying.

Frankly I think they should both be working together toward the common cause but that is obviously out of the question for whatever reason...
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Postby American Dream » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:02 pm

For whatever it is worth, I don't think desertfae is motivated by greed. I wouldn't claim to know what motivates her, especially since I wouldn't yet claim to be positive who she actually is.

As far as I'm concerned, this whole situation is still in the process of clarifying itself and I'm guessing we'll know more in the days to come...
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Postby chiggerbit » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:13 pm

Well, it looks like Danny would have had enough background in computers to be able to understand what he was investigating:

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Danny_Casolaro

.....He co-founded Computer Age magazine, which was at the time the only American daily publication devoted to computers and to computer business; however, he later sold the magazine for a loss....

....Friends described Casolaro as a "Peter Pan" figure with an obsessive streak, who worked for two years in the late-seventies on an alternative explanation for Watergate.

Inslaw and the Octopus
Casolaro's investigation of Inslaw began in August 1990. Casolaro had worked previously with Terry D. Miller, President of Government Sales Consultants, Inc., on the publication of a newsletter which focused on federal government computer procurement fraud, and Miller had encouraged Casolaro to consider investigating Inslaw. Casolaro hoped to write a true crime book about his investigation.

Inslaw had been in the news from the mid-eighties. In a previous position with the U.S. Justice Department, Inslaw's founder, William A. Hamilton, helped to develop a computer software program called Promis (Prosecutor's Management Information System). Promis was designed to better organize the large amounts of paperwork generated by law enforcement and the courts. After he left the United States Department of Justice, Hamilton alleged that the Justice Department had stolen Promis and had distributed it illegally, robbing Inslaw of millions of dollars. Hamilton was also a friend of Terry D. Miller.

Casolaro and Hamilton began pooling their resources to share information as they learned about the Inslaw scandal. One of Casolaro's major sources was Michael Riconosciuto (pronounced Riconoshooto), who Casolaro had dubbed "Danger Man." Riconosciuto had been introduced to Hamilton by Jeff Steinberg, a longtime top aide in the Lyndon LaRouche organization. Riconosciuto contacted Hamilton in May of 1990. Riconosciuto asserted that he and Earl Brian (a director of Hadron, Inc., a government consulting firm) "had traveled to Iran in 1980 and had paid $40 million to Iranian officials to persuade them not to let the hostages go before the presidential election." For his help in this so-called October Surprise conspiracy, Earl Brian allegedly was allowed to profit from the illegal pirating of the Promis system.Corn also notes that Earl Brian, a close friend of Attorney General Ed Meese, denied any involvement in the October Surprise or the Inslaw Affair.

In a March 21, 1991 court affidavit submitted to the court in the case Inslaw v. United States Government, Riconosciuto claimed to have modified Inslaw's software at the Justice Department's behest so that it could be sold to dozens of foreign governments with a secret "back door" which allowed outsiders to access computer systems using Promis. These modifications allegedly took place at the Cabazon Indian Reservation near Indio, California.Although the book Last Circle is an unpublished internet ebook, its author alleges that it was received favorably by a secret Investigative Committee; and by John Cohen, investigator for the House Judiciary Committee on Inslaw, who became a policy advisor to Dr. Lee P. Brown, Director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (1996).

Because the reservation was sovereign territory where enforcement of U.S. law was sometimes problematic, Riconosciuto claimed that he worked on "semi-legal" and illegal weapons programs for The Wackenhut Corporation, such as a powerful "fuel air explosive".

Some of Riconosciuto's claims appear to have been supported by evidence, some of which was uncovered by Bill Hamilton. For example, Riconosciuto reported that Canadian officials had purchased the Promis software illegally.See: House Report 102-857, Section IV, C, 2, "Possible Connection between Earl Brian, Michael Riconosciuto, Robert Booth Nichols, and the Cabazon Indian Reservation", page 72

Casolaro claimed to have located independent witnesses who asserted that Riconosciuto and Earl Brian had been seen together on several occasions at the Cabazon reservation. Additionally, Later, after turning in the affidavit, Riconosciuto was arrested on drug charges. Riconosciuto claimed that the drug charges were a set-up to keep him from telling his story.

Hamilton then introduced Casolaro to Robert Booth Nichols who eventually replaced Riconosciuto as Casolaro's main source. Among other topics, Nichols reported about his contacts with the "subterranean world of the Illuminati": Robert Booth Nichols was long suspected of complicity in various crimes (he had been investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation as early as 1978). "If the FBI is right," wrote David Corn, "Nichols is not a man whose warnings should be taken lightly."

By July 1991 however, that "relationship between Nichols and Casolaro began to deteriorate." Casolaro met with William Richard Turner, who was an engineer for Honeywell until his division was acquired by Hughes Aircraft. Turner alleged that he had uncovered evidence of fraud by Hughes Aircraft, and that his whistleblowing was ignored by the United States Department of Defense. (Casolaro seems to have thought that Hughes Aircraft might have been involved in the Octopus as well.)

To further compound the theory of a conspiracy, "Casolaro met with queer coincidences that would feed anyone's paranoia," wrote Corn. "At a restaurant he ran into a former Special Forces operative who had worked for a company involved in the Inslaw case"; and on another occasion, Casolaro and a friend met a woman at a party who claimed to be "close to a former CIA official" who "knowingly" disclosed "some aspects of Casolaro's case."

Final days

On August 5, 1991, Casolaro phoned Bill McCoy, a retired CID officer to relate some encouraging news. He said that the mainstream news magazine Time had assigned him an article about the Octopus. He further claimed to be working with the esteemed reporter Jack Anderson, and that publishers Little, Brown and Time Warner had offered to finance the effort. All these claims later were proven false. McCoy characterized Casolaro's attitude during their conversation as one of misplaced exuberance. "He wasn't getting to the nub of it," he said.

Again on August 5, Casolaro's friend Ben Mason agreed "to consult with Danny on the writer's finances." Casolaro faced some pressing though not catastrophic financial problems, and he and Mason agreed that the best solution would be if the publisher's advance came through. "Otherwise Casolaro would have to borrow from his family as he often had done." A few days later, Casolaro showed Mason some of his notes and manuscript, including a photocopy of a passport of Hassan Ali Ibrahim Ali, the manager of Sitco, an alleged Iraqi front company which was somehow connected to the Octopus. Casolaro showed Mason a 22-point outline for his book and expressed frustration at having been tied up with a literary agent who was unable to sell it for the last eighteen months. Casolaro's brother Anthony met Mason later and said that Mason had remarked to Danny, "You look kinda tired." Danny had replied, "I get these calls in the middle of the night sometimes and it's hard to get back to sleep." Anthony insisted that Danny had claimed to have "been getting odd telephone calls for about three months."

The following day, Casolaro's longtime housekeeper Olga helped Casolaro pack a black leather tote. She remembered him packing a thick sheaf of papers into a dark brown or black briefcase. She tried to pick it up, and recalls saying, "Oof, it's heavy. What have you got in there...?" To which Casolaro replied, "All my papers." Casolaro said he was leaving for several days to visit Martinsburg, West Virginia to meet with a source who promised to provide an important missing piece of the Octopus, but that he would return. This was
the last time Olga saw Casolaro.About three days
before he died, Casolaro talked to Richard Stavin, formerly a special prosecutor for the U.S. Justice Department. In their hour-long conversation, Stavin claimed that Robert Booth Nichols had been under investigation for illegal drug smuggling, money laundering, and connections to the Yakuza and the Gambino crime family. Stavin added that Nichols had offered his services as an informant to several U.S. Government agencies. But when interviewed years later, Stavin pondered if that information had endangered Casolaro since the named agencies denied using Nichols. "Maybe I shouldn't have told him," said Stavin. In Stavin's opinion: "It seemed like a cover-your-ass situation."

By August 9, Bill Hamilton was starting to worry: he had not been able to reach Casolaro for several days and never before had encountered such difficulty. He telephoned several mutual acquaintances, none of whom knew Casolaro's whereabouts.

Olga reported that she answered several threatening telephone calls at Casolaro's home. One man called at about 9:00 a.m. and said, "I will cut his body and throw it to the sharks". Less than an hour later, a different man hissed: "Drop dead." Then there was a third call, but Olga remembered only that no one spoke and that she heard only music as though a radio were playing in the same room as the caller. "Don't call him no more," she said. She hung up. A fourth call was the same as the third, and a fifth came later that night. "No music...and no one spoke." After this she slammed her receiver down.

Last known sightings of Casolaro

According to Ridgeway and Vaughan, Casolaro's whereabouts between late August 8 and afternoon August 9 are unknown. He met the Honeywell engineer William Richard Turner at the Sheraton at about 2:30 p.m. on August 9. Turner says he gave Casolaro some documents, and that they spoke for a few minutes. Turner later refused to specify the content of the papers, and he claimed that he had been harassed by the police who were investigating Casolaro's death.

Witnesses reported that Casolaro spent the next few hours at a Martinsburg restaurant. A bartender there told the local police, "He seemed lonely and depressed." The police further learned that "Sometime around 5:00 p.m. Casolaro entered Heatherfields, the cocktail lounge at the Sheraton with another man described by a waitress as 'maybe Arab or Iranian.' The waitress remembered because the foreign-seeming man rudely complained about slow service."

This sighting was the impetus which gave rise to a theory that Casolaro was investigating a CIA Op called Operation Pseudo Miranda. Miranda was intrinsicly linked to Iran/Contra. Not too coincidentally, Octopus was the pseudonym given to a multi-faceted operation which sought to create a revenue stream needed to run covert operations simultaneously in South America and the Middle East. Many investigators believe that the man with whom Casolaro met on the eve of his death was intimately connected to Operation Pseudo Miranda.

At about 5:30 p.m. that night, Casolaro happened to meet Mike Looney who rented the room next to Casolaro's Room 517. They chatted on two occasions—first at about 5:30 p.m. and then again at about 8:00 p.m. Looney later explained, "[Casolaro] said he was there to meet an important source who was going to give him what he needed to solve the case."

According to Looney, Casolaro claimed that his source was scheduled to arrive by 9:00 p.m.. "But as the appointed hour came and went Casolaro became embarrassed." Casolaro left Looney, explaining that he had to make a telephone call. He returned a few minutes later and admitted, somewhat sheepishly, that his source might have "blown him off." Casolaro and Looney talked until about 9:30 p.m..

At about 10.00 p.m., Casolaro purchased coffee at a nearby convenience store.

That was the last time anyone reported seeing Danny Casolaro alive....
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Postby Percival » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:17 pm

American Dream wrote:For whatever it is worth, I don't think desertfae is motivated by greed. I wouldn't claim to know what motivates her, especially since I wouldn't yet claim to be positive who she actually is.

As far as I'm concerned, this whole situation is still in the process of clarifying itself and I'm guessing we'll know more in the days to come...


I didnt mean to imply that desertdae is motivated by that kind of greed, what I mean is that she had just as many bad things to say about VM as VM had to say about her. I just dont understand what is keeping them from working together. If it isnt greed and desire for all the glory then maybe someone can help me understand what it is.
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Postby chiggerbit » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:17 pm

Hamilton then introduced Casolaro to Robert Booth Nichols


Very interesting.
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Postby compared2what? » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:20 pm

Jeff wrote:Quite apart from the controversies regarding, or perhaps imputed to, desertfae, I think this paragraph contains insights worth considering. Too many to bold:

Virginia McCullough wrote:
Pg. 11 fascinated me because of the discussion between Penguin, Percival and Nathan 28 re the reality of the Promis software. Certainly Danny Casolaro became involved in "The Octopus" because of Bill and Nancy Hamilton and the Inslaw case. Behind the introduction of Danny to the Hamiltons was Jeffrey Steinberg of the LaRouche origanization. Therefore the reality of the fabled Promis software and whether or not it was/is truly "the Cadillac" of all software iwas at the core of his investigation, at least it was in its infancy. But like all good investigations, the center of the investigation changes with time and the information obtained. So it did with Danny. I know this because in the months before his murder I often talked to him three or four times a day, evidenced by both his and my phone records in my possession. So the discussion on page 11 clearly demonstrates that over time Inslaw was not everything that was being hyped so intensely in the media and promoted by Michael Riconosciuto in the later part of 1990 and throughout 1991. Most scientists in Silicon Valley the Cobol-based Promis software is old and slow...by today's standards it is a dinosaur. It was Michael Riconosciuto's allegations that turned Promis into the super software of legend. During the last several weeks of Danny's life his attention had clearly shifted to the gold transfers conveyed by various intelligence operatives as so well detailed by Unsolved Mysteries reporter Don Devereaux. The two Unsolved Mysteries programs covering Danny's killing and the misplaced hit intended for Don Devereaux following the Casolaro airing clearly demonstrates the danger in delving into government/mob secrets .


For me anyway, this makes better sense of Promis and Riconosciuto and places Casolaro's murder in clearer context.


Jeff, this woman may have accidentally written a very manipulative email just coincidentally. But I don't think so. The above paragraph is the spoonful of sugar. The one below:

What I see now is the same manipulation of the Alvarez executions, several years after the fact, by the same brilliant individual Michael Riconosciuto. The story that Desert Fae is centering on and conveying to Nathan Baca and to law enforcement is the one promoted by Michael; i.e. the reason that Fred Alvarez was killed is because he was going to expose the Wackenhut/Cabazon Joint Venture and the arms manufacturing and sales that would be generated had that venture been successful. To be totally fair Desert Fae is also now saying that Robert Booth Nichols and his access to CIA funds might have been a motive for murder. In my opinion, based on my knowledge, documents and other books written about the Alvarez murders, there was a far greater, long term monetary incentive for the Alvarez executions. And that motive was control of land and the income it would bring to support our dirty little wars around the globe. I am currently working on a detailed article about this issue but it probably will not be post until next week. In any case, I have seen no proof, aside from Michael's allegations, that Promis was either developed and/or altered on the Cabazon reservation or that Dr. Gerald Bull's work product from Valleyfield ended up at the Cabazon Resevation, as also alleged by Michael.


...is way, way out of bounds. And gives the appearance of saying something when it's saying nothing. For example: If you free yourself from the flow of compelling, self-assured words for long enough to grasp its meaning of that bolded section, you'll see that first of all she's imputing to Rachel a kind of power to run the investigation that irrational in real-world terms and requires explanation if the charge is going to be made. I mean, the woman isn't herself a member of law enforcement, afaik. Further, and still worse her one and only criticism of this woman is fully self-contradictory. It more or less says: "I assert without proof that Desert Fae is carrying water for Michael Riconosciuto because as I also assert without proof she's been telling the same story he tells. Although to be fair, she actually tells exactly the story I think is correct too."

Rachel was posting about the gold smuggling as central when she was here last. Which was not that recently. Further, as VM herself says, investigations evolve. There may be a reason for her antagonism that justifies this degree of badjacketing based on vague correlation of behavior for which we only have VM's word. But if there is, she's not even hinting at it. She's just doing a very good job at making it look like actions are suspect that are in fact quite ordinary and no different from those of any other person who's honestly trying to get information about a crime out there under difficult circumstances -- ie, when it's tightly held for both legal reasons and reasons of personal safety.

Also that "I base my authority on my documents and knowledge" thing, however she phrased it exactly: Come on. That's totally B-movie, and not how investigation actually works. She's talking to us as if we were fools.

I don't trust it. It's pure malice, and for no apparent reason.
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