G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

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G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

Postby Nordic » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:14 am

http://www.dangerousminds.net/index.php ... chirac_in/

Apparently this is new to American audiences.


Incredibly, President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac in early 2003 that Iraq must be invaded to thwart Gog and Magog, the Bible’s satanic agents of the Apocalypse.

Honest. This isn’t a joke. The president of the United States, in a top-secret phone call to a major European ally, asked for French troops to join American soldiers in attacking Iraq as a mission from God.

Now out of office, Chirac recounts that the American leader appealed to their “common faith” (Christianity) and told him: “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East…. The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled…. This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.”

This bizarre episode occurred while the White House was assembling its “coalition of the willing” to unleash the Iraq invasion. Chirac says he was boggled by Bush’s call and “wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs.”

After the 2003 call, the puzzled French leader didn’t comply with Bush’s request. Instead, his staff asked Thomas Romer, a theologian at the University of Lausanne, to analyze the weird appeal. Dr. Romer explained that the Old Testament book of Ezekiel contains two chapters (38 and 39) in which God rages against Gog and Magog, sinister and mysterious forces menacing Israel. Jehovah vows to smite them savagely, to “turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws,” and slaughter them ruthlessly. In the New Testament, the mystical book of Revelation envisions Gog and Magog gathering nations for battle, “and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”

In 2007, Dr. Romer recounted Bush’s strange behavior in Lausanne University’s review, Allez Savoir. A French-language Swiss newspaper, Le Matin Dimanche, printed a sarcastic account titled: “When President George W. Bush Saw the Prophesies of the Bible Coming to Pass.” France’s La Liberte likewise spoofed it under the headline “A Small Scoop on Bush, Chirac, God, Gog and Magog.” But other news media missed the amazing report.

Subsequently, ex-President Chirac confirmed the nutty event in a long interview with French journalist Jean-Claude Maurice, who tells the tale in his new book, Si Vous le Répétez, Je Démentirai (If You Repeat it, I Will Deny), released in March by the publisher Plon.

Oddly, mainstream media are ignoring this alarming revelation that Bush may have been half-cracked when he started his Iraq war. My own paper, The Charleston Gazette in West Virginia, is the only U.S. newspaper to report it so far. Canada’s Toronto Star recounted the story, calling it a “stranger-than-fiction disclosure … which suggests that apocalyptic fervor may have held sway within the walls of the White House.” Fortunately, online commentary sites are spreading the news, filling the press void.

The French revelation jibes with other known aspects of Bush’s renowned evangelical certitude. For example, a few months after his phone call to Chirac, Bush attended a 2003 summit in Egypt. The Palestinian foreign minister later said the American president told him he was “on a mission from God” to defeat Iraq. At that time, the White House called this claim “absurd.”

Recently, GQ magazine revealed that former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld attached warlike Bible verses and Iraq battle photos to war reports he hand-delivered to Bush. One declared: “Put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground.”



Okay. Not sure I buy this.

But if it's true, and it very well could be, it makes a certain sense. In that Bush was a guy who just had to be played so he'd sign off on this stuff. So they played him in a way that they knew would work (assuming he actually is a "religious" reformed drunk) and could appeal to his terror of the Apocalypse and his position -- "I'm the only guy who can stop this!" and probably kept him plied with god-only-knows what kinds of drugs in order to keep him in this AGOG state.

If it's a lie, well, it's just passing the buck, and saying "the guy was such a nutjob we really don't know why he invaded Iraq! Oh well! What's done is done!"
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Re: G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:22 am

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Re: G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

Postby Simulist » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:39 am

"It ain't supposed to make sense — it's faith! 'Faith' is something that you believe in that nobody in his right mind would believe in."

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Re: G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

Postby norton ash » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:50 am

This is the same "Gog and Magog" that Reagan reportedly went on about alarmingly. Continuity of insanity, if this is true about GWB.
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Re: G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

Postby norton ash » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:56 am

A Little Scoop on Bush, Chirac, God, Gog and Magog
By Jacques Sterchi
Rue89 in partnership with La Libert , Fribourg

TruthOut Monday 17 September 2007

In 2003, University of Lausanne theology professor Thomas R mer received a telephone call from the Elys e. Jacques Chirac's advisers wanted to know more about Gog and Magog ... two mysterious names pronounced by George W. Bush while he was attempting to convince France to enter the war in Iraq at his side. In its September edition, the University of Lausanne's review, Allez savoir, reveals this story that could seem fantastic did it not, as Allez savoir's Editor-in-Chief Jocelyn Rochat emphasizes, reveal the religious underpinnings of Bush's policy.

Apocalyptic prophecy: Bush would have declared to Chirac that Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and that the Biblical prophecies were in the process of being fulfilled. That was several weeks before the intervention in Iraq. The French president, to whom the names of Gog and Magog meant nothing, was stupefied.

In Allez savoir, Thomas R mer details: Gog and Magog are two creatures who appear in Genesis, and especially in the most arcane chapters of the Old Testament Book of Ezekiel. An apocalyptic prophecy of a global army giving final battle in Israel.

"This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins," continues Thomas R mer.

According to him, George W. Bush is not the first to look for an incarnation of Gog and Magog on earth. Ronald Reagan had deemed that the cold war and the atomic bomb's existence made Ezekiel's prophecy realizable....

If today the University of Lausanne reveals these explanations Thomas R mer supplied to Jacques Chirac, it's because the latter has left the Elys e. For Jocelyn Rochat, this little international policy professional secret raises a vast question: our lack of religious education, our ignorance of Scriptures at a time when religious foundations are far more crucial than we'd like to believe in political and military decisions. Religion is not confined to the private sphere, Jocelyn Rochat concludes. A parameter to take into account "at the risk of no longer understanding the way the world works today."
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Re: G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

Postby justdrew » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:05 am

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Re: G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

Postby Avalon » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:30 am

Thanks for the reminder, justdrew. I thought it had sounded familiar.

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." Revelations 20:8

Odd mixing of tenses there, starting with the future, yet switching to the past. I checked, there are other translations that do it too.

http://bible.cc/revelation/20-8.htm
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Re: G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

Postby Maddy » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:34 am

Because a crap-load of people wrote and rewrote and rewrote the Bible over thousands of years, putting things in, taking things out, rewording things, etc. ad nauseum - not including varying translations into varying languages. :?
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Re: G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

Postby elephant » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:22 am

I would never argue the point that our illustrious former president holds some wondrously delusional ideas about the universe. But we should note that the above links offer little evidence for the Gog and Magog thing.

(BTW, Gog and Magog — killer name for a rock band — had to have been used already, right?)

Chirac is said to acknowledge the event in a "long interview" with some French journalist, but we haven't seen the relevant quotes from the interview. Maybe they're out there somewhere.
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Re: G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

Postby elfismiles » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:04 pm

From a previous thread:

Israel Warns World War III May be Biblical Gog and Magog
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13935

elfismiles wrote:Bush's Shocking Biblical Prophecy Emerges
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... hp?t=24026

Israel Warns World War III May be Biblical Gog and Magog
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... hp?t=13935

Scott Horton Interviews Clive Hamilton

Clive Hamilton, author of the article “Bush, God, Iraq and Gog” at Counterpunch.org, discusses G.W. Bush’s seemingly sincere desire to fight Iraqi and al-Qaeda incarnations of the biblical bogeymen Gog and Magog, the possibility that the U.S. does indeed fight religious wars and the increasingly diverse but still exclusive Skull and Bones society at Yale.

MP3 here. (22:33)
http://dissentradio.com/radio/09_05_26_hamilton.mp3

Clive Hamilton is the former Executive Director of The Australia Institute and a visiting professor at Yale University.

http://antiwar.com/radio/2009/05/26/clive-hamilton/


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Re: G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

Postby psynapz » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:11 pm

IIRC, according to this 2-hour doco film The Illuminati, GHWB's ritual name in the S&B is purportedly "Magog".



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Re: G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

Postby justdrew » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:59 pm

yeah, old Magog and his son, Temporary.
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Re: G. Bush to Chirac: must invade Iraq to thwart Gog and Magog

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue May 25, 2010 11:34 am

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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