Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

[dbcooper41]

crash damage pic.
the first pic (a5) file info says it was taken at 11:07am.
but, the file info on the pic of two firemen looking at the fire from a distance(a 2) says it was taken at 9:43am. if his plane took off at 9:40 and hit the building at 9:56am i think we can assume the time/date stamp on the photos is incorrect.

pretty big boom![attachment=0]

and is the building damage too extensive or was it being worked on at the time of the event? it looks like there is plywood over the windows going around 2 sides.

[nathan28]

Why are they standing there? Don't they know that IT COULD COLLAPSE AT ANY MOMENT?

[ninakat]

obviously i question everything, to an annoying degree. sorry, i can't help myself sometimes.

Not annoying. Please carry on.

[dbcooper41]

Why are they standing there? Don't they know that IT COULD COLLAPSE AT ANY MOMENT?

there was a story i read where they were worried the building would collapse because the stell was getting so hot.
now where did they get tha idea from?

one other thing and i promise to leave you guys alone for a little bit.
look at the pics posted of other planes flying into buildings.
the one in tampa seemed to just stick in the side of the building with relatively little fireball or damge to the building.
this one really torched the place.

[dbcooper41]

one of my previous "eyewitnesses to the house fire", Joseph Strazza, apparently gets around.

"

Quote:
Joseph Strazza, 22-year-old contractor, said he was driving down Metric
Boulevard when he saw smoke coming out of the eaves of the house.
He parked behind house, he said, then heard an explosion.
“It sounded like a small bomb going off,” Strazza said. He said the windows blew
out and flames started coming out of the roof.
Strazza said he then saw a man running out of house with little girl in his
arms. Fire crews arrived a short time later, Strazza said."

strazza gets quoted again on news 8, i'll find the source url:

Joesph Strazza was at a bank near Parmer and Metric when
he saw the air fill up with black smoke.
"I saw some smolder off at the distance, and I went over
there to check it out,” Strazza said.

Eyewitness reports

News 8's Anne Szilagyi talks with eye witnesses at the scene

The smoke was from a house fire investigators believe is related to the plane crash that happened just 30 minutes later.
Strazza said it looked like the house had exploded.
“I saw the windows and everything come out,” he said.
Strazza was shocked to get a call from his father that a
plane had ran into the IRS building just a few miles
away. He quickly made his way over to see what was going
on.
“You could see the tail sticking out, but it was
engulfed,” he said."[/

so joseph Strazza saw the house fire, saw a man run out with a girl, got a call from his dad, rushed to the crash scene, and got quoted again about the plane crash.
professional witness?
i wonder who he is?

[Wombaticus Rex]

also, does anyone know about this "businessinsider.com? they seem to have broken alot of the tidbits on this story.

I thought it was pretty weird that they've been so on top of this story, too. Mostly because I heard about this story, not though idling here on the RI forum, but in the course of writing an article on...fuckin' mortgages. And the top item blasted all over businessinsider was this plane crash.

That said. If I worked for them and saw an opening, I would have capitalized on that ASAP, too. It's understandably grim SEO logic.

Anyways, they are part of a larger syndicate, as most major blogs are, and it's run by a very interesting and predator-admirable guy named Henry Blodget. He lucked into a slot on TV, made the call that Amazon was about to blow up, and got proven right at the perfect time. Made him into a superstar analyst, he got busted for insider trading (baaasically) and is barred from...well, I'm not sure what exactly. I think Wall Street, period.

Post-Ostracism, he's parlayed his name into a very successful "blog mill" syndicate. I can't front on their results -- business insider has excellent writers on staff, clusterstock, too.

As to his politics, I've nary a clue.

[dbcooper41]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbd1_c6w ... youtu.be&a

you be the judge. bogus? remember the guy(i obviously don't remember his name) who witnessed both the pentagon and flight 93 on 9/11.

[elfismiles]

crash damage pic.
the first pic (a5) file info says it was taken at 11:07am.
but, the file info on the pic of two firemen looking at the fire from a distance(a 2) says it was taken at 9:43am. if his plane took off at 9:40 and hit the building at 9:56am i think we can assume the time/date stamp on the photos is incorrect.

pretty big boom![attachment=0]

and is the building damage too extensive or was it being worked on at the time of the event? it looks like there is plywood over the windows going around 2 sides.

I think what you are seeing as plywood is simply the insulation from behind where there were previously glass non-windows between floors.

If you look at the equivalent "windows" above the real windows you will see the same "plywood" which is not "brown" because of being scorched / burnt from the fires.

I think the damage is consistant with a small (fully fueled) plane crash impact with a short office building made mostly of glass and aluminum. Though witness reports from inside talk of the ceilings caving in and debris falling down around them.

And as for the minimal casualties... not all 200 people work on the side that was hit. Only those right at the point of impact were likely to be hurt by the impact and explosion itself. Most folks who were injured were probably hurt by falling debris and the fires - smoke inhalation.

[elfismiles]

Okay, couple dragnet questions for y'all:

- anyone seen a video where a news reporter quotes an eyewitness who saw the plane go in and supposedly described seeing the pilot looking "comatose"?

- anyone see/hear interview with Stack's stepdaughter saying she believed the arson was caused by a person who was attacking her parents?

- anyone seen KXAN interview with a young Lexus driver whose car was supposedly clipped by the plane who says FBI agents helped him after the crash and they didn't know what caused the fire and explosion and he told them it was a plane and they seemed surprised?

[Sweejak]

One source, from the reporters standpoint, still unconfirmed, would be the unnamed agent that Watson initially refers to; and the other is the witness on the ground who said that the FBI was on the scene immediately. If the hazmat trucks were already waiting accross the street, and the fire department was at his house in 5 minutes, that would make 4 anomalies that could possibly indicate foreknowledge: If all of these stories are true! That's a big IF.

Quite a series of coincidences. I've been out today so I don't know the latest, but it seems that Watson was the only one who said they had an actual inside tip. The RT story said the IRS and CIA occupied building, maybe there was a mix up between who was FBI and CIA? 5 minutes isn't out of line for a fire department to arrive at the scene in a city, so that one doesn't ring a bell for me.

[Nordic]

so joseph Strazza saw the house fire, saw a man run out with a girl, got a call from his dad, rushed to the crash scene, and got quoted again about the plane crash.
professional witness?
i wonder who he is?

Maybe just another 22 year old Austin slacker with nothing better to do that day? That town is full of them. Hell, I used to be one of them except I was ten years older.

And I believe all those places are in the northern part of town, you could hop on 183 and get over to the crash site pretty quick.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Austinites, it's been quite some time since I lived there.

But keep going, dbcooper, this is really interesting stuff. Really intriguing, and the fact that this guy worked on what seems to be some kind of guidance system for aircraft really throws up a flag.

Kind of like Amy Bishop working with neuron-based biological computers. Maybe she was trying one out on herself.

[Howling Rainbows]

nordic:
Really intriguing, and the fact that this guy worked on what seems to be some kind of guidance system for aircraft really throws up a flag.

Yeah. His assistance in this area would be right in line with a good trooper in the war effort. You would think, at first blush, they wouldn't eat one of their own who was so valuable in their efforts to conquer.

[Sweejak]

Victim in Austin Plane Attack Identified
Updated: Friday, 19 Feb 2010, 12:10 PM CST
Published : Friday, 19 Feb 2010, 11:01 AM CST

By Maggie Kerkman

(Fox News) - Authorities have identified the person killed Thursday when a man crashed his small plane into an office building in Austin, Texas in what appeared to be a deliberate attack on the Internal Revenue Service, Fox News reported Friday.

Vernon Hunter, 67, was a Revenue Office Manager for the IRS. His wife, Valerie, also works for the government agency and was in the same building when the crash occurred. They have six grown children who live outside of Austin.

Hunter's wife said before the incident, she had never heard of Joseph Stack, the man investigators say set fire to his own home before flying a plane into the building. Stack left behind a lengthy, obscenity-filled internet post expressing his frustration with the IRS. Stack was also killed in the attack.

Within hours of Stack's attack, several Facebook pages were created in support of his actions.

A worker in the Texas Comptroller's office was also severely injured as a result of Thursday's attack.
http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpps/news/dp ... 19_6168034

[dbcooper41]

Yeah. His assistance in this area would be right in line with a good trooper in the war effort. You would think, at first blush, they wouldn't eat one of their own who was so valuable in their efforts to conquer.

did they?
who was really in that plane?
look how fast a rock solid identity was established.
it appears his wife and kid were "luckily" away. just happened to have slept elsewhere the night before. but not the night before.
why did she come back around 9:15am.
homesick? wouldn't you and your daughter at least have a nice breakfast at the hotel before going home to make up with crazy daddy?
why wasn't the girl in school?
can autopilot be fitted to that plane?
an eye witness with many years of teaching to fly that same plane said it would be pretty difficult to fly it in a power dive like he described.

how much of the pilot could be left to ID after that crash/explosion?

[Nordic]

Yes, but let's assume the worst and say it was some sort of manipulated event with a remote-controlled aircraft ....

Why? What's the point? Who benefits?

With 9/11 it was pretty obvious.

This? Not so much. An assassination attempt? Pretty messy and spectacular assassination attempt, if so. There are much simpler ways to kill people. To discredit the guy and steal his work? Maybe. But any work he did was probably already a "work for hire" anyway and he probably didn't own it.

I'm drawling a blank.

It will take a lot to convince me this was anything other than what the manifesto said it was.

But carry on, it's all very fascinating.