Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby American Dream » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:59 pm

Of course, they were asking for it

by Mark Steel



http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 88684.html


Wednesday, 2 June 2010


It's time the Israeli government's PR team made the most of its talents, and became available for hire. Then whenever a nutcase marched into a shopping mall in somewhere like Wisconsin and gunned down a selection of passers-by, they could be on hand to tell the world's press "The gunman regrets the loss of life but did all he could to avoid violence." Then various governments would issue statements saying "All we know is a man went berserk with an AK 47, and next to him there's a pile of corpses, so until we know the facts we can't pass judgement on what took place."

To strengthen their case the Israelis have released a photo of the weapons they found on board, (which amount to some knives and tools and wooden sticks) that the naive might think you'd expect to find on any ship, but the more astute will recognise as exactly what you'd carry if you were planning to defeat the Israeli army. It's an armoury smaller than you'd find in the average toolshed in a garden in Cirencester, which goes to show the Israelis had better destroy Cirencester quickly as an essential act of self-defence.

It's a shame they weren't more imaginative, as they could have said "We also discovered a deadly barometer, a ship's compass, which could not only be frisbeed at someone's head but even had markings to help the assailant know which direction he was throwing it, and a set of binoculars that could easily be converted into a ray-gun."

That would be as logical as the statement from the Israeli PM's spokesman – "We made every possible effort to avoid this incident." Because the one tiny thing they forgot to do to avoid this incident was not send in armed militia from helicopters in the middle of the night and shoot people. I must be a natural at this sort of technique because I often go all day without climbing off a helicopter and shooting people, and I'm not even making every possible effort. Politicians and commentators worldwide repeat a version of this line. They're aware a nation has sent its militia to confront people carrying provisions for the desperate, in the process shooting several of them dead, and yet they angrily blame the dead ones. One typical headline yesterday read "Activists got what they wanted – confrontation." It's an attitude so deranged it deserves to be registered as a psychosis, something like "Reverse Slaughter Victim Confusion Syndrome".

Israel and its supporters claim that Viva Palestina, made up of people who collect the donated food, cement and items for providing basic amenities such as toilets, and transport them to Gaza, wanted the violence all along. Because presumably they must have been thinking "Hezbollah couldn't beat them, but that's because unlike us they didn't have a ballcock and several boxes of plum tomatoes".

One article told us the flotilla was full of "Thugs spoiling for a confrontation", and then accused them of being "Less about aid and more about PR. Indeed, on board was Swedish novelist Henning Mankell." So were they thugs or about PR? Did they have a thugs' section and a PR quarter, or did they all muck in, the novelist diverting the soldiers with his characterisation while the thugs attacked them with a lethal spirit level?

But some defenders of Israel are so blind to what happens in front of them there's nothing at all they wouldn't jump to defend. Israel could blow up a cats home and within five minutes they'd be yelling "How do we know the cats weren't smuggling semtex in their fur for Hamas?"

If this incident had been carried about by Iran, or anyone we were trying to portray as an enemy, so much condemnation would have been spewed out it would have created a vast cloud of outrage that airlines would be unable to fly through.

But as it's Israel, most governments offer a few diplomatic words that blame no one, but accept the deaths are "regrettable". They might as well have picked any random word from the dictionary, so the news would tell us "William Hague described the deaths as 'hexagonal'", and a statement from the US senate said "It's all very confusing. In future let's hope they make every effort to avoid a similar incident."
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby Peregrine » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:00 pm

Simulist wrote:
Michael Mansfield wrote:"The blockade of Gaza, as Hilary Clinton has said, is unsustainable. It is another feature of the way in which Israel is slowly becoming a rogue state."

Israel is "slowly becoming" a rogue state? Just how much misery, genocide, and international lawlessness does a nation have to inflict before it is considered to be already "a rogue state"?


Yeah, well, you want to choose your words carefully when you're talking about your best friend...



I did notice when the term "rogue state" was mentioned in this news segment that the anchor quickly changed subjects.
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:00 pm

Israel had repeatedly said it would stop the boats, calling the campaign a "provocation intended to delegitimise Israel.


Mommeeee, it's not my fault--Brudder provoked meeee! :roll:
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby Peregrine » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:31 pm

Netanyahu Rejects Gaza Criticism as UN Calls for Investigation

By Jonathan Ferziger and William Varner

June 2 (Bloomberg) -- Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said criticism of Israel’s raid against a Gaza aid shipment that left nine dead was “hypocrisy,” after the United Nations Human Rights Council voted to authorize an international probe.

“Israel is told it has the right to defend itself, but when we do exercise that right we’re condemned for it,” Netanyahu said in a nationally televised address in Jerusalem. “Israel should not be held to a double standard.”

:bs:

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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby justdrew » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:36 pm

Netanyahu deserves the Samson treatment. drag his ass naked through the streets to Gaza, burn out his eyes and put him to work milling grain for the rest of his worthless life.

you reap what you sow Netanyahu.
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby elfismiles » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:54 pm


IDF: Hamas stops flotilla aid delivered by Israel
By the CNN Wire Staff
June 2, 2010 2:03 p.m. EDT


STORY HIGHLIGHTS
-Trucks of flotilla aid halted stopped at Gaza crossing
-Clothing, medical material, blankets on trucks
-Material will be accepted by activists after all detainees freed

Jerusalem (CNN) -- Israel has attempted to deliver humanitarian aid from an international flotilla to Gaza, but Hamas -- which controls the territory -- has refused to accept the cargo, the Israel Defense Forces said Wednesday.

Palestinian sources confirmed that trucks that arrived from Israel at the Rafah terminal at the Israel-Gaza border were barred from delivering the aid.

Ra'ed Fatooh, in charge of the crossings, and Jamal Khudari, head of a committee against the Gaza blockade, said Israel must release all flotilla detainees and that it will be accepted in the territory only by the Free Gaza Movement people who organized the flotilla.

Israel said it had 20 trucks of aid found on the ships, such as expired medications, clothing, blankets, some medical equipment and toys.

Israel has released all foreign flotilla detainees by Wednesday, but four Israeli Arabs remain in custody.

Nine people died Monday when Israel intercepted an aid vessel bound for Gaza.

Under Israeli policy, humanitarian aid must come through Israel and be checked by Israeli authorities who are looking to intercept smuggled weapons bound for militants aiming to attack Israel.

As part of this policy Israel forbids ships from dropping off goods at Gaza ports and works to thwart smuggling via tunnels between Gaza and Egypt.



http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/ ... nians.aid/

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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby Searcher08 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:03 pm

In the latest news, it appears that the violence was triggered by an IDF commando being tired after abseiling down from their helicopters - an activist refused to offer him his deckchair so he could rest. This was compounded by another commando feeling a little whoosy after being in a dinghy on the way to visit the main ship bringing gifts of blinis for the passengers. After landing, he was merely asking if anyone had some chicken soup to settle his tummy and was thrown overboard.
These two events were obvious examples of DeeplyVirulentAnti-Semitism and could have led to an international incident, so in a demonstration of great bravery and courage that made their Mammas proud, the poor soldiers were forced to initiate RapidSoulTransitioningEvents among the passengers.
Among the items which were found during a search of the ships included dental equipment that could have been used to create smuggling tunnels in the root canals of Gaza Islamists, and cement, which when mixed with di-hydrogen monoxide, could be used to turn Gaza into a Giant Impregnable Gormanghast with walls 1000ft thick and the Centre of Evil in The Known Universe. Film was also discovered indicating that members of the so-called 'Peace Activists' were responsible for the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and had also sunk a South Korean submarine.
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby Simulist » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:45 pm

Yesterday, I watched Chris Matthews for as long as I could. (Almost a full seven minutes.)

He and some terrible journalist from Jerusalem blamed all the maritime murder and mayhem perpetrated by the IDF on the people on board the ship!

For a moment, I supposed that he might be rehearsing a sketch for Saturday Night Live — and then I remembered that Chris Matthews really is that stupid, or at least his loyal fan-base is.
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:06 pm

Simulist wrote:Yesterday, I watched Chris Matthews for as long as I could. (Almost a full seven minutes.)

He and some terrible journalist from Jerusalem blamed all the maritime murder and mayhem perpetrated by the IDF on the people on board the ship!

For a moment, I supposed that he might be rehearsing a sketch for Saturday Night Live — and then I remembered that Chris Matthews really is that stupid, or at least his loyal fan-base is.


I walked past Chris Matthews in the hallway of WNYC (NPR) a couple of years ago, and it took all the restraint I could muster to not punch him in the crotch.
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby Laodicean » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:14 pm

IDF Video Footage of Flotilla Attack is Fake!

Worth Deeper Analysis arguing IDF Video Footage of Flotilla Attack is Fake

The Israelis took the Freedom flotilla into port and kept the peace advocates from any contact with reporters.

Meanwhile the Israeli spin machine went into action to fabricate a justification for their having murdered 2O innocent people.

The result is worthy of Dubya Bush and his various Bin Ladin not-so-lookalike videos.

12 hours after the assault Israel released a video that they claim shows the IDF being violently attacked by the peace advocates. (unlikely as that sounds, it’s the IDF’s story)

Why the video is a fake.

1. There is no genuine violence shown in the video just a lot of motion. It doesn’t show a single case of anyone actually being hit by anything at all. We’re supposed to assume that it’s happening outside of our vision (like in stage magic). And they even tell us what we are supposed to imagine seeing with notes on the screen.

2. It’s not even the right ship.
The peace ship has a metal framework support for a shade awning that covers nearly the entire outside deck.
There is no sign of that awning in the IDF video.

The framework can be seen in this video from 1:08 to 1:15.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yzx5pha ... 8FB63B3D94

3. Fake wave motion.
Although they tried to fake wave motion by moving the camera around and rolling it from side to side, there is zero variation of relative vertical position between the ship being filmed and the ship from which the film was supposedly made. When the photographer stops moving the camera the two boats don’t have any relative motion to each other.
That’s impossible at sea.

4. Fake infrared
The hijacking occurred at night but the video was clearly made in broad daylight.
They have photoshopped in a lot of brightness and contrast trying to fake Infrared night photography. But the result isn’t even close. Genuine infrared photography has almost zero halftones. Every pixel is either black or white. The IDF video is full of halftones.

5. The passengers fully knew they would be arrested and that was their stated intention.
Why in the world would they attack armed assault troops when they wanted to be arrested as a means of protesting Israel’s inhumanity. Why would they court death and destroy the very reason for their coming in the first place?

Compare for yourself
genuine nighttime infrared video versus daylight video bleached out to supposedly simulate infrared.

1. genuine infrared video taken from the helicopter.
(starts after several seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLrX7fznVgI

notice, there are no halftones at all
everything is either black or white.

2. the faked IDF video, obviously taken in broad daylight and then photo-edited to try to fake infrared night video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4fWI
notice that it’s full of halftones

Also.
Watch the real aerial video carefully again and watch for any sigh of the supposed violence on the faked IDF video.

I couldn’t see any sign whatsoever of passenger violence on the genune video. The passengers are obviously frightened and they obey orders to move, stop, and lie down.

Source: http://www.connectingsingles.com/forum_ ... a_fake.htm
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby Simulist » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:28 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:I walked past Chris Matthews in the hallway of WNYC (NPR) a couple of years ago, and it took all the restraint I could muster to not punch him in the crotch.

I both admire and deplore your self-restraint. :wink:
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby The Consul » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:02 pm

Ed Koch on Neil Cavuto floating idea that this was the fault of Turkey, later on Barney Frank on Matthews saying same. Ok so imagine there were such a thing as a fairness doctrine. In this case we should have rebuttal from Turkish Americans, Palestinian Americans and actual real journalists and lets say ok someone from Turkey and maybe someone from Gaza....
They really do think we are hopelessly stupid. I can see the next headline

TERRORISTS ATTACK HELICOPTER GUNSHIPS WITH KNIVES AND PIPES

Israel in shock, minimises death toll by heroic sacrifice of men who jumped to the ship to try and talk peace to rabid drug fiend baby killing would be abortionist muslim terrorists found with plans to blow up Yankee stadium and ten pre schools in Kansas.
Thank god we have a free press to give us all the facts.........
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby compared2what? » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:09 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:
compared2what? wrote:
Nordic wrote:Fuck Israel.


I haven't read the whole of this thread, so forgive me if the point has already been made more declaratively than way back at the beginning when 82_28 (IIRC) asked if he was seeing the beginnings of WWIII, but:

I don't see any other way that this can play out. Which would not just fuck Israel, but (off the top of my head) Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon (again) too. And I doubt that the domestic fall-out in Turkey is going to be a very pretty thing for anyone either.

Furthermore, I think that's exactly what one or more powers in the mix -- maybe hidden ones, maybe not -- wanted. For reasons of their own. Still furthermore, although I have no idea how exactly, I have a feeling that in the medium future, some part of it is going to land on Iran.

Or....Forget the details of the prediction, I'm not confident about them, I was just trying to flesh out the bare-bones premise. Which is fundamentally: Oh, fuck. They're going for the Feith/Perle "Clean Break."

IOW, bombing the whole Arab world into rubble.


Furthermore, I think that's exactly what one or more powers in the mix -- maybe hidden ones, maybe not -- wanted. For reasons of their own. Still furthermore, although I have no idea how exactly, I have a feeling that in the medium future, some part of it is going to land on Iran.


I believe that there is a group of Zionists and Christian Zionists, AKA the neocons, that want to bring about the end-times, and that this latest incident is yet another in a long line of provocations towards that goal.


Yes. That's my point. And also why I linked to the neo-con authored white paper commissioned by Netinyahu last time he was PM that says, basically:

    "Dear Israel --

    Hey, you know what? Let's get to the root of the problem, which was that time back around, oh, 1918 or 1920 or so when the French and British mandates following the Sykes-Picot Agreement set shit up so that it left all these countries full of Arabs lying around the joint, most of which -- can you believe it? -- are still there.

    That's why you got this persistent war problem. Get rid of the countries (or at the very least, the belief that they're entitled to be real self-determining nation-states) and you get rid of the problem. Clean break. Fresh start. Duh.

    Sincerely yours,

    Richard Perle
    Dugglis Douglas Feith"

As to why this incident is markedly, notably different than all other incidents that it's reasonable to believe are among the long list of provocations that Zionists working hand-in-glove with Christian-Zionists who want to bring about the end-times instigate in the interests of furthering that and assorted other goals:

    (1) I find the premise that Israel just slipped up and forgot to consider all the key elements of the impeccably crafted and practiced preemptively defensive public relations strategy that's been (very) largely responsible for succesfully making it the western world's favorite prodigal genocidal regime since 1948 a little difficult to credit.

    (2) I find it even more difficult to credit that -- chance being a fine thing -- that slip-up not only just happened to include all the components of a highly telegenic and media-friendly international news story at the moment of its inception, but that hits along those lines that could have been tailor-made to play on every new and old media platform of any influence have just kept on coming ever since.

    And evidently during the one week of the year when everyone competent at the spin shops of the ADL, AIPAC, the U.S. president's foreign policy advisory team and the dozens and dozens of other equivalent groups and institutions who even had so much as an ounce of common sense was on hiatus, too. Which is weird. Because usually, they're totally on the ball before it even hits the ground.

    (3) The proximate occasion for the provocation came from Turkey. That's so massively suspect in so many ways that I don't even know how to boil them down to the usual three or four 192-word sentences that send the entire board into a stupor in the luxurious style to which we've all long-since grown so accustomed.

    (4) A whole grip of boring and minute anomalous details that are congruent with the hypothesis that this was and is a psy-op on one or both sides designed to prepare the field for massive regional warfare sometime in the fall probably, but not really definitive evidence in favor of it, which I'll skip.

    Except to add that I say "in the fall probably" because to paraphrase Andy Card, from a marketing perspective, you don't introduce new products in August. Or however he put it.

    From the same perspective, it's also notable that the story broke on Memorial Day weekend. So did the Paula Jones story, IIRC. Although it might have been some other weekend that's a national holiday in the United States. But it was definitely on the Saturday of one of them. There's a logic to that, with which I also won't bore you. Because it could be coincidence. It's too soon to say.

Obviously, I can't see the future. But I do sometimes remember some historical trivia if, like, I've seen them referred to once a month on this discussion board for several years or whatever. The ones that immediately came to my mind as potentially informative from a contextual point-of-view in this case were the "Clean Break" report and that Goering quote about how naturally the common people don't want war.

And yes, I know that he goes on to say that you deal with that by telling them they're being attacked and denouncing pacifists for their lack of patriotism, which isn't obviously or directly applicable here.

But the principle -- ie, the common people don't naturally want war and political leaders must therefore find some way to make them emotionally passionate enough to override that -- does. The tone of response on this thread and everyplace else all over the world feels like such a passion taking hold to me.

In fact, now that I come to think of it, since when has the tone of response on this board been so very, very widely shared by majority and mainstream peoples everywhere?

That alone is an anomaly worth taking a long, close and thoughtful look at. With particular attention to whether you're being played into committing to something going down in a way that you wouldn't naturally want.

Or quite possibly something you wouldn't want at all, ultimately, if what you want is to fuck Israel. Again, it's too soon to say whom the final body-count of the fucked will favor. If there ever is one you could call "final."

Apart from that, obviously: I totally condemn this and every other instance in which Israel has exploited its (until now) free pass in the eyes of the world wrt committing vile and homicidal crimes against humanity without provocation, reason, or justification. As always.
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Re: Flotilla Update: Israel Attacks Convoy, Deaths Reported

Postby compared2what? » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:16 pm

The Consul wrote:Ed Koch on Neil Cavuto floating idea that this was the fault of Turkey, later on Barney Frank on Countdown saying same. Ok so imagine there were such a thing as a fairness doctrine. In this case we should have rebuttal from Turkish Americans, Palestinian Americans and actual real journalists and lets say ok someone from Turkey and maybe someone from Gaza....
They really do think we are hopelessly stupid. I can see the next headline

TERRORISTS ATTACK HELICOPTER GUNSHIPS WITH KNIVES AND PIPES

Israel in shock, minimises death toll by heroic sacrifice of men who jumped to the ship to try and talk peace to rabid drug fiend baby killing would be abortionist muslim terrorists found with plans to blow up Yankee stadium and ten pre schools in Kansas.
Thank god we have a free press to give us all the facts.........


Just to be clear, this:

(3) The proximate occasion for the provocation came from Turkey. That's so massively suspect in so many ways that I don't even know how to boil them down to the usual three or four 192-word sentences that send the entire board into a stupor in the luxurious style to which we've all long-since grown so accustomed.


is NOT my way of saying it's Turkey's "fault."

It's just a way of saying that if you wanted to create a set-up like the one I fear this is, no matter what side of the equation you were on, your very first choice for the role of seemingly-unallied-to-you proxy would be Turkey.

Pretty much your only choice, actually.
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