What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

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You-foes are:

Nuts and bolts craft from another world.
7
20%
Nuts and bolts craft from inside the hollow earth, or antarctic Nazis.
2
6%
Nuts and bolts military prototypes or modified helicopters.
4
11%
Time machines, possibly from humanity in the future.
1
3%
Vimanas, spirit-craft.
2
6%
Screen memories for MK experiments and SRA.
2
6%
Elves or other blue-and-orange morality non/semi-corporeal beings.
10
29%
Demons. Evil non-corporeal beings.
2
6%
Earth lights, geomagnetic doo-dahs, ball lighting, plasma vortexes, etc..
2
6%
Created by the media and intelligence services as a disinfo psy-op.
3
9%
 
Total votes : 35

Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby Nordic » Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:12 pm

It just seems like a long way to go, you know, but hey, I drove 300 miles for a White Castle hamburger once, so I guess it's not entirely out of the question.


Were you still drunk when you got there?

As far as the earth being hollow, I think BP just proved that it is actually filled with a limitless supply of reddish brown oil. Who knew?

Nuts and bolts aircraft: I agree with somebody above, can't remember who now: Just as people used to see "chariots of fire" in the skies, we're now seeing high-tech titanium craft. These are manifestations, at least in part, of our own brains, in other words it's a reality not being 100% projected into your brains, but reality projected FROM (thorugh) our brains.

Plants. The plants have all the answers. They just don't talk. They're very quiet, but they were here for billions of years before us. We are here because of them. They ALLOW us to be here. We are useful to them. When we cease to be useful to them, they will very likely be done with us. They represent an intelligence that we cannot even comprehend, nor can we ever hope to actually hear it. They operate on a time scale similar to that of geologic time. We are like fruit flies to them, but they like us more than we like fruit flies. I think they're fond of us in spite of our obvious shortcomings.

And there's nothing about this menace that can't be solved by having KBR build a big wall.
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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby 82_28 » Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:59 pm

Nordic wrote:
It just seems like a long way to go, you know, but hey, I drove 300 miles for a White Castle hamburger once, so I guess it's not entirely out of the question.


Were you still drunk when you got there?

As far as the earth being hollow, I think BP just proved that it is actually filled with a limitless supply of reddish brown oil. Who knew?

Nuts and bolts aircraft: I agree with somebody above, can't remember who now: Just as people used to see "chariots of fire" in the skies, we're now seeing high-tech titanium craft. These are manifestations, at least in part, of our own brains, in other words it's a reality not being 100% projected into your brains, but reality projected FROM (thorugh) our brains.

Plants. The plants have all the answers. They just don't talk. They're very quiet, but they were here for billions of years before us. We are here because of them. They ALLOW us to be here. We are useful to them. When we cease to be useful to them, they will very likely be done with us. They represent an intelligence that we cannot even comprehend, nor can we ever hope to actually hear it. They operate on a time scale similar to that of geologic time. We are like fruit flies to them, but they like us more than we like fruit flies. I think they're fond of us in spite of our obvious shortcomings.

And there's nothing about this menace that can't be solved by having KBR build a big wall.


Dude. Remember one of my first posts I made here? It was about just this! It's strange how much you and I have in common. I don't mean that in a creepy way. Here, I found it. Didn't feel like typing it up again.

82_28 wrote:Oh man. INDEED!

A couple of years ago I was camping near the base of Mt. Rainier in old growth forest. (Yes I had gotten stoned). But the trees, yes the trees, spoke to me. Literally spoke to me. Or maybe, communed with my psyche in some way. But I couldn't believe how much sense they made.

The trees are essentially a global intelligence that has existed for eons and eons and eons. . . . Intensely more intelligent and simple than any form of technology we have.

They felt sorry for us humans that we must destroy them for our temporary needs. But they do not care. For when we kill them, we will finally kill ourselves. The pinecones, seeds, blossoms are always to be safely buried. They go on, they are more intelligent and patient . It takes many years for a thought to emerge from the global forest, but when it is finally thought it is a thought some humans can detect.

They also "gaze" at the stars every night. Don't know a thing about our technology and don't care. Every night, for sometimes thousands of years, the same vastness of the universe.

They don't mind if we cut them down. We're only killing ourselves. This they understand.
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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby Project Willow » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:12 pm

norton ash wrote:I don't know. I asked my dog, and he doesn't know either. I will poll all the plants in the back yard next.


This answer has my vote.

Humans cause a lot of harm when they're too impatient with "I don't know."
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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby Simulist » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:24 pm

You asked me once what my childhood experiences with this suggest to me, Nordic.
Nordic wrote: I agree with somebody above, can't remember who now: Just as people used to see "chariots of fire" in the skies, we're now seeing high-tech titanium craft. These are manifestations, at least in part, of our own brains, in other words it's a reality not being 100% projected into your brains, but reality projected FROM (thorugh) our brains.

As you so often do, you're getting at the crux this, I think. (Actually, I'm pretty sure.)

Not only may UFOs be manifestations from "us," but we too may be manifestations from the next layer(s) of Mind.

In other words, "we" may not be the people we think we are.
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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby barracuda » Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:53 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:But where do you think this bipedal primate originates?


I'd postulate a crypto-variation of the aquatic ape hypothesis, that is, a parallel evolutionary offshoot of Homo that remained in the water when our ancestors returned to land. The potential habitat of such a species is abundant, depending on the course of their adaptation to the ocean environment, pretty much a variant of the subterranean theory. I realise this idea has holes, but they all do, don't they, now?

Personally I'm not convinced, any more, of the nuts and bolts hypotheses, pictures can be faked, eye witnesses may be fooled by their own minds or by whatever outside force caused them to see the things they see.


All those things are certainly true, but if we are going to dismiss all UFO photographs as fake, we sort of need to clarify the reasons why, and reassess the general thrust of the thought processs here, as a huge body of the modern evidence and reports come in close association with photography of one sort or another. I feel that to dismiss the photographs is a mistake. As well, many of the ancient reports, such as Ezekiel, describe craft that seem to have been, well, crafted.

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elfismiles wrote:I voted for "Elves" for obvious reasons.


I consider elvish cosplay to be essentially an offshoot of the soul-crushing "furries" subculture, and so I don't readily support such activity for moral and aesthetic reasons.
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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby elfismiles » Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:48 pm

barracuda wrote:
elfismiles wrote:I voted for "Elves" for obvious reasons.


I consider elvish cosplay to be essentially an offshoot of the soul-crushing "furries" subculture, and so I don't readily support such activity for moral and aesthetic reasons.


If I ever knew the term cosplay before then I'd forgotten it.

Thanks for the headsup.
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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby KeenInsight » Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:55 pm

barracuda wrote:
I consider elvish cosplay to be essentially an offshoot of the soul-crushing "furries" subculture, and so I don't readily support such activity for moral and aesthetic reasons.


Cosplay has really nothing to do with soul-crushing, weirdo furry culture. People simply make elaborate costumes of their favorite myth creature from various games, mostly RPG's (e.g., a recent title, Dragon Age: Origins). Or, just some random character in any video game really. Elves are fairly common in that genre, and fantasy movies like Lord of The Rings, Harry Potter, etc., and it obviously, at one point, originates from the real-world fascination and early beliefs in creatures that resemble them.

"Cosplay" example, from the postnuclear Fallout game.

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Anyways, I'm not in the belief that UFO's (er, ETFO?) have anything to do with Elves. They are two entirely different entities. And on the other point, from everything I have read and watched about UFO's or an E.T. presence, it doesn't seem "they" are a menace, except for perhaps, those who say they are abducted against their will.
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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby Sepka » Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:10 pm

norton ash wrote:I don't know. I asked my dog, and he doesn't know either.


My cat knows, but sits in smug silence.
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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby barracuda » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:39 pm

KeenInsight wrote:Cosplay has really nothing to do with soul-crushing, weirdo furry culture.


I eally didn't mean to diss an area of your interest, KeenInsight. I was just trying to give elfismiles a friendly little mean-natured poke.

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Seriously, though - how do you get your cock outta that thing when you're fucking some hot android cosplay chick?
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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:46 pm

Sweejak wrote:What is blue-and-orange morality?


It's what I bleed.

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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby Attack Ships on Fire » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:06 pm

I think that the term "UFO" means several things.

-- some are nuts and bolts craft using higher technology.
-- some of these craft use more advanced technology than others.
-- still yet some of these craft, or their occupants, use higher levels of consciousness than what most humans use to interact with what we call "reality". When used in conjunction with their high tech the end result is greater in its mysteriousness than simply relying on better tech.
-- some yet might be biological, or higher dimensional/vibrational lifeforms that are of such shape that we believe they are technological craft.

I no longer believe that the UFO phenomena can be explained entirely by extraterrestrials flying around in super advanced spaceships. Why do we automatically assume that while their tech may be more advanced than ours, why can't their consciousness be as well?

What I'm now entertaining in my mind these days about the ultimate answers to the UFO mystery is something that I would have written off as runaway bad sci-fi fantasy in my youth. There very well might not just be extraterrestrials visiting us but metaterrestrials, ultraterrestrials and paraterrestrials. There might very well be cities filled with beautiful Venusians that we can't see because they exist at a higher vibration than our reality. We observe flying UFOs that split off into multiple objects, reintegrate and vanish.

And some of the visitors in UFOs might not know what the other UFOs are either.

I also believe that there are some UFOs that are terrestrial in origin, and that a disinfo campaign has been underway to obscure the truth from the public and from other agencies that know UFOs are real.

Wouldn't that be a kicker? Aliens land, we take them to our leader, communication begins and someone at the press conference asks them about a famous UFO incident. The alien answers, "Dude, that wasn't us. We're just as much in the dark about who those guys are as you are."

Cue the terror. Another reason why true contact might not be an option both sides that know the truth are willing to entertain.
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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:38 am

What a coincidence.

1947.

"Alien technology" means weapons obtained from protected German and Japanese war criminals.
Biological weapons tested on human subjects.

And the Air Technical Intelligence group has a memo on examining aircraft of the entire world, especially the Russky's.

And the CIA is being formed.

"Shh. Insert decoy bullshit here."
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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby barracuda » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:45 am

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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby 82_28 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:57 am

Where the fuck is maxtheknife when you need him?
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Re: What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

Postby Stephen Morgan » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:15 am

barracuda wrote:I'd postulate a crypto-variation of the aquatic ape hypothesis, that is, a parallel evolutionary offshoot of Homo that remained in the water when our ancestors returned to land. The potential habitat of such a species is abundant, depending on the course of their adaptation to the ocean environment, pretty much a variant of the subterranean theory. I realise this idea has holes, but they all do, don't they, now?


Hmm. Space seals, p'raps. Mermaid creatures.

All those things are certainly true, but if we are going to dismiss all UFO photographs as fake, we sort of need to clarify the reasons why, and reassess the general thrust of the thought processs here, as a huge body of the modern evidence and reports come in close association with photography of one sort or another. I feel that to dismiss the photographs is a mistake. As well, many of the ancient reports, such as Ezekiel, describe craft that seem to have been, well, crafted.


Thoughtography. The human mind can imprint images on film. Possibly also whatever light sensitive cell is used in digital photo cameras. If they can make you see it with your eyes, they can make your camera record what isn't there.

I consider elvish cosplay to be essentially an offshoot of the soul-crushing "furries" subculture, and so I don't readily support such activity for moral and aesthetic reasons.


I liked the elves. Certain types of costumery are very fetching on women. Elves, matadors, jesters, them blue overalls mechanics wear.

A quote from tricky Dicky Shaver's "Vermin From Space":

"We are all slaves, and worse than slaves we are debrained slaves to a thing the ufos come and go for... something that hates all earthmen like poison. That "something" is a creature than KNOWS the vermineers work of old. Freedom, the way we use the word, is an ignorant's word... we don't have it any time, ever. If we knew we wouldn't use the word... freedom doesn't exist on earth.

"They are vermin! They deny us any slightest part of our own ancient science. They do it all secretly to us... They do not exist to so many people but they do exist... in our skies are more of them.

"You think you know about the UFO, you dont. They are not marvellous people from marvellous planets come to help us in or need. They are evil, furtive, hiding; enslaving the mind from a safe distance...

"You want to have them wonderful and come to help us all. You want ot pray to "God" and thank him for sending us aid from the stars. Go Ahead, that does not make it true. I wish it was true, but it isn''t."

And from Charles Fort's Book of the Damned:

"I suspect that after all, we're useful--that among contesting claimants, adjustment has occured, or that something now has a legal right to us by force, or by having paid out analogues of beads for us to former, more primitive owners of us-- that all this has been known, perhaps for ages, to certain ones upon this earth, a cult or order members of which function like bellweathers to the rest of us, or as superior slaves or overseers, directing us in accordance with instructions received--from Somewhere Else--is our mysterious usefulness.

"But I accept that in the past, before propreitorship was established, inhabitants of a host of other worlds have dropped here, hopped here, wafted,sailed, flown, motored--walkes here, for all I know,--been pushed here, been pulled; come singly, have come in enormous numbers; have visited occasionally, have visited periodically for hunting, trading, replenishing their harems, mining; have been unable to stay here, have established colonies here, have been lost here...

"The answer that occurs to me is so simple that it seems immediately acceptable, if we accept that the obvious is the solution of all problems... I think we are property

"I should say we belong to something

"That once upon a time, this earth was No-Man's Land, that other worlds explored and colonised here, and fought against themselves for possession, but that now it's owned by something...

"Nothing in our own times--perhaps-- because I am thinking of certain notes that I have--has ever appeared on this earth from somewhere else so openly as Columbus landed upon San Salvador, or as Hudson sailed up his river, but as to surreptitious visits to this earth, in recent times, or as to emissaries, perhaps, from other worlds, or voyagers who have shown every indication, of intent to evade and avoid, we shall have data as convincing as our data of oil- or coal-burning aerial super-constructions.

"Why not missionaries sent here openly to convert us from our barbarous prohibitions and other taboos and to prepare the way for a good trade in ultra-bibles and super-whiskeys; fortunes made in selling us cast-off super-fineries, which we'd take to like an African chief to someone's old silk hat from New York or London."
Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that all was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, and make it possible. -- Lawrence of Arabia
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