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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby freemason9 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:43 pm

but all you do is piss and moan because obama hasn't fulfilled your messiah lust. obama isn't messiah; he's simply a better president than we have had for over three decades. he's not a radical leftist, so radical leftists defile him. however, conservatives believe he is leftist to the point of being socialist. he isn't, of course.

pragmatism is not a bad word. in fact, in a sea of whiners and hand-wringers, pragmatists make the world work. they always, always have. they work slowly, consistently, and predictably--to the irritation of those that can bitch loudly with no consequences.

try enacting policy across a nation of 300 million that is supported by 15% of the population. just try it.

the fact is that our media is corporately controlled, and the media controls the electorate. any policy or action that conflicts with corporate policy in america is destined for spectacular failure and a setback of two or more decades. in fact, you can thank overly exuberant liberals in the 1960's and 70's (and a lack of intelligent, mature pragmatism) for the last three decades of conservative smog. it was a backlash.

here's lesson one, kiddies--stay out of their faces. us old fucks have learned that.

now carry on with your raised fists of liberation
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Simulist » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:56 pm

freemason9 wrote:but all you do is piss and moan because obama hasn't fulfilled your messiah lust. obama isn't messiah; he's simply a better president than we have had for over three decades. he's not a radical leftist, so radical leftists defile him. however, conservatives believe he is leftist to the point of being socialist. he isn't, of course.

pragmatism is not a bad word. in fact, in a sea of whiners and hand-wringers, pragmatists make the world work. they always, always have. they work slowly, consistently, and predictably--to the irritation of those that can bitch loudly with no consequences.

try enacting policy across a nation of 300 million that is supported by 15% of the population. just try it.

the fact is that our media is corporately controlled, and the media controls the electorate. any policy or action that conflicts with corporate policy in america is destined for spectacular failure and a setback of two or more decades. in fact, you can thank overly exuberant liberals in the 1960's and 70's (and a lack of intelligent, mature pragmatism) for the last three decades of conservative smog. it was a backlash.

here's lesson one, kiddies--stay out of their faces. us old fucks have learned that.

now carry on with your raised fists of liberation

Roger, Wilco...

Also, please carry on with whatever it is you're smoking.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby 82_28 » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:51 am

FM9, are you implying that by the grace of some force, you yourself are somehow "liberated"? I don't view RI as a voice or forum of action whatsoever. It seems, if anything, bad shit and weird shit happening to the the Universe, the world and our lives is what is basically mulled over here. Obviously you've been here long enough to recognize that. We get nothing done here at all. We only converse about what we think. No need to get pissy. You like Obama? Sweet, good for you. You still have quite a bit of company.

I personally don't feel liberated at all with this figure, Obama, in office. In fact I feel the squeeze of tyranny ever further, due to my belief of the old, dumb mantra of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Here's the thing. I have always thought it a stupid sentiment that on that Tuesday of November 2008 EVERYTHING WOULD SOMEHOW CHANGE! You have to get that bit, right? But we were "force fed" a "sea change" insofar as all of our liberal buddies and family members believing in what amounts to a cult of personality. You don't just go from a Bush to an Obama within the entrenched system and all of a sudden declare a "revolution of change" an "overthrow" of racism and "how we've turned the corner" all in a day. It's impossible. And in fact, every thing is much worse now. Your progressive hope has been funneled into a fraud. I don't do cult's of personalities for anyone. I ran far, far away from it the moment I recognized it and didn't vote for the first time in my life. It was a clear media hyped charade, some may call psyops and anytime I encounter a lot of people excited about something I have been droning on and on about for years (war, racism, corruption, existence of evil etc) while they didn't care and all of a sudden they do, I know it's phony.

It's all Bill Hicks' "JFK moment" turtles all the way down, dude.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Nordic » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:58 am

freemason9 wrote:but all you do is piss and moan because obama hasn't fulfilled your messiah lust. obama isn't messiah; he's simply a better president than we have had for over three decades. he's not a radical leftist, so radical leftists defile him. however, conservatives believe he is leftist to the point of being socialist. he isn't, of course.

pragmatism is not a bad word. in fact, in a sea of whiners and hand-wringers, pragmatists make the world work. they always, always have. they work slowly, consistently, and predictably--to the irritation of those that can bitch loudly with no consequences.

try enacting policy across a nation of 300 million that is supported by 15% of the population. just try it.

the fact is that our media is corporately controlled, and the media controls the electorate. any policy or action that conflicts with corporate policy in america is destined for spectacular failure and a setback of two or more decades. in fact, you can thank overly exuberant liberals in the 1960's and 70's (and a lack of intelligent, mature pragmatism) for the last three decades of conservative smog. it was a backlash.

here's lesson one, kiddies--stay out of their faces. us old fucks have learned that.

now carry on with your raised fists of liberation



Give me a fucking break. Obama doesn't even get a passing grade as president. He's a complete failure. He doesn't do HIS JOB. I don't even think he knows, or cares, what his job is.

He's a PR guy and nothing more. Hell, he left in all of Bush's policies, almost all of Bush's people, then when something goes spectacularly awry, he just sits there and smiles and tries to reassure people that it's somehow all okay because he's on it. When in fact he's doing NOTHING to change anything.

Hey, check this out:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/18/9 ... owing.html

Obama officials still approving flawed Gulf drilling plans

WASHINGTON — Despite President Barack Obama's promises of better safeguards for offshore drilling, federal regulators continue to approve plans for oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico with minimal or no environmental analysis.

The Department of Interior's Minerals Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects since June 2, when the agency's acting director announced tougher safety regulations for drilling in the Gulf, a McClatchy review of public records has discovered.

Three of the projects were approved with waivers exempting them from detailed studies of their environmental impact — the same waiver the MMS granted to BP for the ill-fated well that's been fouling the Gulf with crude for two months.

In a May 14 speech in the Rose Garden, Obama said he was "closing the loophole that has allowed some oil companies to bypass some critical environmental reviews."

Environmental groups, however, say the loophole is as wide as ever and that the administration is allowing oil companies to proceed with drilling plans that may be just as flawed as BP's, which concluded that a major spill was "unlikely" and that the company was equipped to manage even the worst-case blowout.

"It's just outrageous," said Kieran Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity, a conservation organization. "The whole world is screaming and . . . they're just continuing to move this stuff through the system."



Can you tell me again, exactly what JOB you think Obama is doing well?

I'm waiting.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby slomo » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:38 am

freemason9 wrote:but all you do is piss and moan because obama hasn't fulfilled your messiah lust. obama isn't messiah; he's simply a better president than we have had for over three decades. he's not a radical leftist, so radical leftists defile him. however, conservatives believe he is leftist to the point of being socialist. he isn't, of course.

pragmatism is not a bad word. in fact, in a sea of whiners and hand-wringers, pragmatists make the world work. they always, always have. they work slowly, consistently, and predictably--to the irritation of those that can bitch loudly with no consequences.

try enacting policy across a nation of 300 million that is supported by 15% of the population. just try it.

the fact is that our media is corporately controlled, and the media controls the electorate. any policy or action that conflicts with corporate policy in america is destined for spectacular failure and a setback of two or more decades. in fact, you can thank overly exuberant liberals in the 1960's and 70's (and a lack of intelligent, mature pragmatism) for the last three decades of conservative smog. it was a backlash.

here's lesson one, kiddies--stay out of their faces. us old fucks have learned that.

now carry on with your raised fists of liberation

@FM9:

A growing part of the Obama legacy (Glenn Greenwald again)

Physicians for Human Rights yesterday released a report documenting (while relying on heavily redacted material) that "medical professionals who were involved in the Central Intelligence Agency’s interrogations of terrorism suspects engaged in forms of human research and experimentation in violation of medical ethics and domestic and international law." To those paying close attention, the evidence suggesting that this occurred has long been clear. Today, The New York Times Editorial Page said this:
The report from the physicians’ group does not prove its case beyond doubt -- how could it when so much is still hidden? -- but it rightly calls on the White House and Congress to investigate the potentially illegal human experimentation and whether those who authorized or conducted it should be punished. Those are just two of the many unresolved issues from the Bush administration that President Obama and Congressional leaders have swept under the carpet.

When the history of the Bush era is written, the obvious question will be: what was done about the systematic war crimes, torture regime, chronic lawbreaking, and even human experimentation which that administration perpetrated on the world? And the answer is now just as obvious: nothing, because the subsequent President -- Barack Obama -- decreed that We Must Look Forward, Not Backward, and then engaged in extreme measures to carry out that imperial, Orwellian dictate by shielding those crimes from investigation, review, adjudication and accountability.

All of that would be bad enough if his generous immunity were being applied across the board. But it isn't. Numerous incidents now demonstrate that as high-level Bush lawbreakers are vested with presidential immunity, low-level whistle blowers who exposed serious wrongdoing and allowed citizens some minimal glimpse into what our government does are being persecuted by the Obama administration with a vengeance. Yesterday it was revealed by Wired that the Army intelligence officer analyst who reportedly leaked the Apache helicopter attack video to Wikileaks -- and thus enabled Americans to see what we are really doing in Iraq and other countries which we occupy and attack -- has been arrested (Wikileaks denies the part of that report claiming that the whistle blower also leaked to it "hundreds of thousands of classified State Department records"). This latest episode led Der Spiegel today to decry Obama's "war on whistle blowers" as more severe than the one waged by the Bush administration (English translation here).

(more..)

This is just one failure to "fulfill messiah lust". Greenwald has extensively catalogued many others.

tl;dr: this is not about failing to fulfill messiah fantasies. This is about actively enacting antichrist fears.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby crikkett » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:08 am

slomo wrote:Numerous incidents now demonstrate that as high-level Bush lawbreakers are vested with presidential immunity, low-level whistle blowers who exposed serious wrongdoing and allowed citizens some minimal glimpse into what our government does are being persecuted by the Obama administration with a vengeance. Yesterday it was revealed by Wired that the Army intelligence officer analyst who reportedly leaked the Apache helicopter attack video to Wikileaks -- and thus enabled Americans to see what we are really doing in Iraq and other countries which we occupy and attack -- has been arrested (Wikileaks denies the part of that report claiming that the whistle blower also leaked to it "hundreds of thousands of classified State Department records"). This latest episode led Der Spiegel today to decry Obama's "war on whistle blowers" as more severe than the one waged by the Bush administration (English translation here).

(more..)


I disagree with your Greenwald's opinion that the Obama administration is prosecuting whistleblowers 'with a vengeance'. I think it's a knee-jerk reaction and I'm holding out to see what really happens.

It's because Vengeance is more than just arresting someone who knows they'll be arrested if they are found to be leaking classified material. Vengeance is more like Mark Connell dying in a sabotaged airplane.

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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby slomo » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:11 am

crikkett wrote:
slomo wrote:Numerous incidents now demonstrate that as high-level Bush lawbreakers are vested with presidential immunity, low-level whistle blowers who exposed serious wrongdoing and allowed citizens some minimal glimpse into what our government does are being persecuted by the Obama administration with a vengeance. Yesterday it was revealed by Wired that the Army intelligence officer analyst who reportedly leaked the Apache helicopter attack video to Wikileaks -- and thus enabled Americans to see what we are really doing in Iraq and other countries which we occupy and attack -- has been arrested (Wikileaks denies the part of that report claiming that the whistle blower also leaked to it "hundreds of thousands of classified State Department records"). This latest episode led Der Spiegel today to decry Obama's "war on whistle blowers" as more severe than the one waged by the Bush administration (English translation here).

(more..)


I disagree with your opinion that the Obama administration is prosecuting whistleblowers 'with a vengeance'. I think it's a knee-jerk reaction and I'm holding out to see what really happens.

It's because Vengeance is more than just arresting someone who knows they'll be arrested if they are found to be leaking classified material.

To clarify, this is Glenn Greenwald's opinion. I happen to agree with it , however. You might consider reading the rest of the article, and some of the other stuff he has written.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby freemason9 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:09 pm

you may benefit by not projecting your dreams so strongly on obama and the consequent disappointment thereof. obama is nobody, really. you won't be liberated by obama or anyone else. your constant hatred and assault of obama is misplaced and sad. he can't change much of anything; nobody can. you can change yourselves, but that act won't change the world. it is a slow, collective ambulation.

obama is an american president, so he must answer to the board of directors. is this new to you? did you not know this prior to the election?

liberation is internal. if you need leadership, you lack the will and knowledge to be liberated.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Nordic » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:01 pm

you may benefit by not projecting your dreams so strongly on obama


I think you're the one guilty of that.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby ninakat » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:07 pm

Wow, I'm really going to rush to Obama's defense now -- boy, he looks like a saint all of a sudden. :angelwings:

Olbermann calls on Oprah to ‘crush’ ‘racist’ Limbaugh
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0707/olberm ... -limbaugh/

By David Edwards
Wednesday, July 7th, 2010 -- 9:21 am

Rush Limbaugh may have met his match if MSNBC Keith Olbermann has his way. Olbermann wants Oprah Winfrey to take to the air and "crush" Limbaugh.

Limbaugh suggested Tuesday that Winfrey and other African-Americans owe their success to their skin color.

"If Obama weren`t black, he`d be a tour guide in Honolulu or he`d be teaching Saul Alinsky Constitutional law or lecturing on it in Chicago," Limbaugh announced.

"He wouldn`t have been voted president if he weren`t black. Somebody asked me over the -- oh, I need to remember. Somebody asked me over the weekend, why does somebody earn a lot of money, have a lot of money. I said it`s because he`s black," he continued.

Limbaugh then went on to attack Winfrey. "It was Oprah. No, it can't be. Yes, it is. There's a lot of guilt out there. To show we`re not racist, we`ll make this person wealthy and big and famous and so forth," said Limbaugh.

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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Nordic » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:12 pm

That's exactly how Rush lost his sportscasting gig -- saying this exact thing about Donovan McNabb and the NFL.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby ninakat » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:25 pm

Nordic wrote:That's exactly how Rush lost his sportscasting gig -- saying this exact thing about Donovan McNabb and the NFL.


You mean, there's hope? I wouldn't bet on it.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby nathan28 » Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:52 pm

freemason9 wrote:WIC is internal. if you need nutrition, you lack the will and knowledge to be nourished.


freemason9 wrote:Mortgage payments are internal. if you need money for housing, you lack the will and knowledge to be sheltered from heat, cold, rain, wind and snow.


freemason9 wrote:Training and education are internal. if you need someone to teach you skills and information, you lack the will and knowledge to be trained and educated.


freemason9 wrote:Health is internal. if you need medical attention, you lack the will and knowledge to be cured of disease and healed of injury.


Just trying something out.

freemason9 wrote:The accountability of elected officials is internal. if you need a democratically elected leader to act in the interests of the electorate, you lack the will and knowledge to be worth mattering in regard to decisions being made by others that impact your everyday life.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby beeline » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:27 pm

freemason9 wrote:liberation is internal. if you need leadership, you lack the will and knowledge to be liberated.


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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Nordic » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:46 pm

Nordic wrote:That's exactly how Rush lost his sportscasting gig -- saying this exact thing about Donovan McNabb and the NFL.



Yeah. Well, I don't think anybody is gonna fire him this time. But it's just odd to see him doing the exact same thing that actually got him into such hot water before. I guess he knows his audience. They will agree with him 1000% like they always do.

What's weird here is now delusionally paranoid his statements are this time.
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