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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby NeonLX » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:25 am

Obama's appearance last night on the tube sealed it for me. I no longer hold even a glimmer of optimism for the future of the U.S.

But maybe that's OK. I mean, if the crash & burn of the U.S. can somehow make the rest of the world better...but wait, the oligarchs aren't bound by national borders.

Never mind. :cry:
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:25 am

NeonLX wrote:Obama's appearance last night on the tube sealed it for me. I no longer hold even a glimmer of optimism for the future of the U.S.

But maybe that's OK. I mean, if the crash & burn of the U.S. can somehow make the rest of the world better...but wait, the oligarchs aren't bound by national borders.

Never mind. :cry:




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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby norton ash » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:42 am

Think I'll stick my nose in at Daily Kos for a heaping helping of equivocation and rationalization today... maybe a few overdue acts of bloggy seppuku...

This is just getting insulting.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:41 am

norton ash wrote:Think I'll stick my nose in at Daily Kos for a heaping helping of equivocation and rationalization today... maybe a few overdue acts of bloggy seppuku...

This is just getting insulting.


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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby norton ash » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:19 pm

Ha... I came fairly late to DU (many dead and wounded lying around) and really didn't like the format, tone... everything... DKos was a window into mainstream liberal America during the Bush years, and I at least felt common cause and camaraderie there.

Now it's just too weird for words, and I'm back in the demimonde where I belong. Although I'm still involved in mainstream Canadian politics, because I care about law and civil rights and public infrastructure and hope to at least stanch a bit of the bleeding.

So fuck Obama, and Gates and Geithner and Emmanuel and the rest of the '08 Washington Generals because for one brief shining moment there, I thought things might change a little bit.

(Yes, freemason9, things have changed for the better. A little bit. But the same satanic train just keeps rollin'.)
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby ninakat » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:42 am

Speech Defect: Emissions of Evil From the Oval Office
Written by Chris Floyd
Wednesday, 01 September 2010 10:47

On Tuesday night, Barack Obama gave a speech from the Oval Office on Iraq that was almost as full of hideous, murderous lies as the speech on Iraq his predecessor gave in the same location more than seven years ago.

After mendaciously declaring an "end to the combat mission in Iraq" -- where almost 50,000 regular troops and a similar number of mercenaries still remain, carrying out the same missions they have been doing for years -- Obama delivered what was perhaps the most egregious, bitterly painful lie of the night:

"Through this remarkable chapter in the history of the United States and Iraq, we have met our responsibility."

"We have met our responsibility!" No, Mister President, we have not. Not until many Americans of high degree stand in the dock for war crimes. Not until the United States pays hundreds of billions of dollars in unrestricted reparations to the people of Iraq for the rape of their country and the mass murder of their people. Not until the United States opens its borders to accept all those who have been and will be driven from Iraq by the savage ruin we have inflicted upon them, or in flight from the vicious thugs and sectarians we have loosed -- and empowered -- in the land. Not until you, Mister President, go down on your knees, in sackcloth and ashes, and proclaim a National Day of Shame to be marked each year by lamentations, reparations and confessions of blood guilt for our crime against humanity in Iraq.

Then and only then, Mister President, can you say that America has begun -- in even the most limited, pathetic way -- to "meet its responsibility" for what it has done to Iraq. And unless you do this, Mister President -- and you never will -- you are just a lying, bloodsoaked apologist, accomplice and perpetrator of monstrous evil, like your predecessor and his minions -- many of whom, of course, are now your minions.

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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:53 am

ninakat wrote:Speech Defect: Emissions of Evil From the Oval Office
Written by Chris Floyd
Wednesday, 01 September 2010 10:47

On Tuesday night, Barack Obama gave a speech from the Oval Office on Iraq that was almost as full of hideous, murderous lies as the speech on Iraq his predecessor gave in the same location more than seven years ago.

After mendaciously declaring an "end to the combat mission in Iraq" -- where almost 50,000 regular troops and a similar number of mercenaries still remain, carrying out the same missions they have been doing for years -- Obama delivered what was perhaps the most egregious, bitterly painful lie of the night:

"Through this remarkable chapter in the history of the United States and Iraq, we have met our responsibility."

"We have met our responsibility!" No, Mister President, we have not. Not until many Americans of high degree stand in the dock for war crimes. Not until the United States pays hundreds of billions of dollars in unrestricted reparations to the people of Iraq for the rape of their country and the mass murder of their people. Not until the United States opens its borders to accept all those who have been and will be driven from Iraq by the savage ruin we have inflicted upon them, or in flight from the vicious thugs and sectarians we have loosed -- and empowered -- in the land. Not until you, Mister President, go down on your knees, in sackcloth and ashes, and proclaim a National Day of Shame to be marked each year by lamentations, reparations and confessions of blood guilt for our crime against humanity in Iraq.

Then and only then, Mister President, can you say that America has begun -- in even the most limited, pathetic way -- to "meet its responsibility" for what it has done to Iraq. And unless you do this, Mister President -- and you never will -- you are just a lying, bloodsoaked apologist, accomplice and perpetrator of monstrous evil, like your predecessor and his minions -- many of whom, of course, are now your minions.

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Wow, sure looks like *someone* woke up on the wrong side of democracy...

I'm glad to see this piece. He had dialed back his outrage recently, but this is classic Floyd.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Simulist » Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:08 am

Chris Floyd said it very well.

Chris Floyd wrote:On Tuesday night, Barack Obama gave a speech from the Oval Office on Iraq that was almost as full of hideous, murderous lies as the speech on Iraq his predecessor gave in the same location more than seven years ago.

The only change I would make is the deletion of the word, "almost," since I think Obama is continuing to promote the exact same "hideous, murderous lies" about Iraq and America's role in the world, which rolled off his predecessor's lips with such frequency and ease.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Jeff » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:09 pm

I sincerely hope the Democrats do very well in the midterms and retain the House and Senate. Because I'm certain that the opposite is the hope of the White House, so it won't need to own its own policies for the remainder of the term, and Obama can run again against Washington in 2012.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby The Consul » Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:21 pm

Jeff wrote:I sincerely hope the Democrats do very well in the midterms and retain the House and Senate. Because I'm certain that the opposite is the hope of the White House, so it won't need to own its own policies for the remainder of the term, and Obama can run again against Washington in 2012.


That's funny. Maybe he'll campaign for Fiorina on a Malibu vacation. And good on Chris Floyd.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby freemason9 » Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:05 pm

i like obama a lot, and he has our best interests in mind. his speech was spectacular, as always
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby 82_28 » Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:56 am

I think this good old thread can now be finally laid to rest with that. Amazing aplomb in defense of Obama. Well put and let's put this all behind us. Or better yet, turn a new page.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Simulist » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:23 pm

freemason9 wrote:i like obama a lot, and he has our best interests in mind. his speech was spectacular, as always

What's not to like? He's intelligent, nice-looking, charming, well-spoken, and he likes dogs!

(The fact that he's a complete phony and a mass murderer shouldn't even enter your mind.)
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Nordic » Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:34 am

freemason9 wrote:i like obama a lot, and he has our best interests in mind. his speech was spectacular, as always



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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Montag » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:37 pm

Obama gave a fiery speech today which, of course, doesn't necessarily mean anything:



I started to watch it on Youtube, the quality's better on C-Span's site (but I don't know how to embed their stuff).
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