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Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby Montag » Fri Sep 03, 2010 3:02 pm

Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD
by Katie Drummond

September 2, 2010
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/09 ... z0ySgfIg1Q

excerpt:

A pair of psychiatric experts think they’ve got the answer to the soaring number of troops coming back from war with PTSD: have them undergo intensive psychotherapy — while they’re rolling on ecstasy.

Dr. Michael Mithoefer and Anne Mithoefer, a psychiatric nurse, are the South Carolina pair who’ve been spearheading research into ecstasy, known clinically as MDMA, since 2000. After one successful study on 21 PTSD patients between 2004 and 2008, they’ve now received the final okay from FDA and DEA officials to start a study entirely devoted to former military service members.

“My sense is that, especially after we published the results of the first study, these institutions are more open to the idea,” Dr. Michael Mithoefer tells Danger Room. “Obviously, this is still new and experimental, and it can take time to get through to big institutions.”

With $500,000 in funding from MAPS (the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), the two are recruiting 16 veterans — they’re hoping for a 50-50 split between men and women, and want most of the participants to have been diagnosed within the last 10 years.

“These will mostly be veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan, because longer duration of PTSD means more complicating factors,” Dr. Mithoefer says, adding that he does anticipate enrolling 4 vets from earlier wars and is still accepting applications.

Participants will undergo a preliminary screening process, and then partake in three solitary, 8-hour therapy sessions with both doctors. While tripping out, they’ll be asked to revisit the traumatic experiences that triggered their disorder. Dr. Mithoefer thinks MDMA acts as a catalyst for “an optimal zone of arousal” that prevents patients from becoming overwhelmed or, on the flipside, shutting down and detaching altogether.
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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby hava1 » Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:57 pm

unethical experimentation on same had been conducted by US research centers here in Israel on helpless unwitting patients of psychiatric institutes (one exposed by press, about 10 years ago, in Beer Sheva psychiatric hospital, a notorious guinea pig zone for the military). Apparently, the initial ecstasy trade by israel had been connected somehow to those experiments, but later took a life of its own :) and became a drug trafficking business associated with Israeli mafia.
Ecstasy harms the teeth, and I dont suppose anyone will assume the bills for that...
American research on PTSD, in Israel, is a huge market, and there seem to be no monitoring of the exportation of violations of human rights. My lame attempts, about 7 years ago to contact the monitoring group of ralph nader's org in DC, that exposed the nigerians trovan scandal, failed. Most of the lawyers that do that (very few...) are Jewish and the last thing they want is to deal with violations of human rights of Israelis, by the USA. the PTSD business interest in Israel (by the USA) can be investigated by that group who is going to investigate human experimentation by US military (the one PW is connected with). a lot of stuff...
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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby Montag » Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:11 pm

Those are interesting points hava... Yeah, when I read it, I recalled definitely learning in abnormal psychology class that it is very bad stuff. Apparently there is a debate about how harmful it is -- even some saying that it isn't.
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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby crikkett » Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:48 am

hava1 wrote:
Ecstasy harms the teeth,

Specifically, MDMA leeches calcium from your body. Aside from your bloodstream it's most easily available from your jaw.
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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby undead » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:11 am

hava1 wrote:unethical experimentation on same had been conducted by US research centers here in Israel on helpless unwitting patients of psychiatric institutes (one exposed by press, about 10 years ago, in Beer Sheva psychiatric hospital, a notorious guinea pig zone for the military). Apparently, the initial ecstasy trade by israel had been connected somehow to those experiments, but later took a life of its own :) and became a drug trafficking business associated with Israeli mafia.
Ecstasy harms the teeth, and I dont suppose anyone will assume the bills for that...
American research on PTSD, in Israel, is a huge market, and there seem to be no monitoring of the exportation of violations of human rights. My lame attempts, about 7 years ago to contact the monitoring group of ralph nader's org in DC, that exposed the nigerians trovan scandal, failed. Most of the lawyers that do that (very few...) are Jewish and the last thing they want is to deal with violations of human rights of Israelis, by the USA. the PTSD business interest in Israel (by the USA) can be investigated by that group who is going to investigate human experimentation by US military (the one PW is connected with). a lot of stuff...


What utter bullshit. Transparently fascist anti-semitic bullshit, to boot. Right, MDMA research is an Israeli conspiracy.

Apparently, the initial ecstasy trade by israel had been connected somehow to those experiments, but later took a life of its own :) and became a drug trafficking business associated with Israeli mafia.


Evidence? There is none. You are a liar.

Ecstasy harms the teeth


While MDMA may tax the body, this can be mitigated with dietary supplements (vitamin C and others) and is not a problem since you don't take MDMA day after day. The current "treatments" for PTSD are toxic psychiatrics that cause diabetes, tardive dyskinesia, and a myriad of other very real health problems.

I have met and spoke with the founder of MAPS personally. The results of the MDMA trials thus far have been 100% successful with the only adverse events being experienced in the group receiving a placebo. The relevant variable is the degree to which the patients are healed. The only reason this research is being allowed to go through is the overwhelming benefit to people with an otherwise untreatable condition.

Ecstasy Rising: Peter Jennings explains how the US government lied about MDMA to get it outlawed

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 365150131#
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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby hava1 » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:28 am

i tend to skip violence, so I will not respond.
all that said, people (in israel too) have a right not to be experimented on illegally, even if you think they are benefitting from the drug.
i will not respond to anything further, so you can directly address the readers and not me.

calling someone antisemitic is subject to lible in my country.
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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby undead » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:33 am

hava1 wrote:i tend to skip violence, so I will not respond.
all that said, people (in israel too) have a right not to be experimented on illegally, even if you think they are benefitting from the drug.
i will not respond to anything further, so you can directly address the readers and not me.

calling someone antisemitic is subject to lible in my country.


Yeah, that's right. You will not respond, because you are making shit up and have no leg to stand on. Go scuttle back to the hole you crawled out of. And to address your veiled accusation, I am not talking about anyone being experimented on against their will in Israel. That is a bald-faced lie that you tried to introduce into this conversation.

But, since you brought up Israel, we can look on the MAPS website to see what is really going on:

MAPS wrote:MAPS is also sponsoring a study in Israel into the use of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy in subjects with treatment-resistant PTSD under the direction of Dr. Moshe Kotler, Chair, Department of Psychiatry, Sackler School of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, and former Chief Psychiatrist of the Israeli Defense Forces


You can find the detailed protocol in PDF format here. I am sure many clueless people will have a knee jerk reaction when they see "Former IDF Chief Psychiatrist". Think about it for a minute and ask yourself who needs the PTSD treatment the most.

Oysterhead wrote:The Army's all on ecstasy so, they say
I read all about it in the USA Today
They stepped up urine testing to make it go away
'Cause it's hard to kill the enemy on the ol' MDMA

Said the King of contradiction
To the Queen of mystery
The Prince of paradox,
He dogs me like a flea
So I'll set my troops upon him
And bring him to his knees
When all is said and done
I'll pick a fight with the Chinese
The Queen she stared at him long and hard
And then she softly said
I'll rub you down with linseed oil
To ease your throbbing head
She slipped a note in an apricot
And threw it to the whores
The jester read the words
Something wicked this way roars

The price they put upon the heads
Of folks with poignant views
Would be better spent
on the children without shoes
And when the King condoned
The actions of the liar
He forgot to weight the awesome power
Of the village crier

The Army's on ecstasy, so they say
I read all about it in the USA Today
They stepped up urine testing to make it go away
'Cause it's hard to kill the enemy on the ol' MDMA
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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby undead » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:37 am

Montag wrote:Those are interesting points hava... Yeah, when I read it, I recalled definitely learning in abnormal psychology class that it is very bad stuff. Apparently there is a debate about how harmful it is -- even some saying that it isn't.


No offense personally, Montag, but your psychology class was a crock of shit. Don't feel bad about it, most psychology classes are pharmaceutical industry PR garbage.
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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby hava1 » Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:29 am

thanks,
Kotler Moshe, check his affiliations.
argumentative baiting will not work here, I am not going to do the leg work for you. have a nice weekend

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hava1 wrote:i tend to skip violence, so I will not respond.
all that said, people (in israel too) have a right not to be experimented on illegally, even if you think they are benefitting from the drug.
i will not respond to anything further, so you can directly address the readers and not me.

calling someone antisemitic is subject to lible in my country.


Yeah, that's right. You will not respond, because you are making shit up and have no leg to stand on. Go scuttle back to the hole you crawled out of. And to address your veiled accusation, I am not talking about anyone being experimented on against their will in Israel. That is a bald-faced lie that you tried to introduce into this conversation.

But, since you brought up Israel, we can look on the MAPS website to see what is really going on:

MAPS wrote:MAPS is also sponsoring a study in Israel into the use of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy in subjects with treatment-resistant PTSD under the direction of Dr. Moshe Kotler, Chair, Department of Psychiatry, Sackler School of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, and former Chief Psychiatrist of the Israeli Defense Forces


You can find the detailed protocol in PDF format here. I am sure many clueless people will have a knee jerk reaction when they see "Former IDF Chief Psychiatrist". Think about it for a minute and ask yourself who needs the PTSD treatment the most.

Oysterhead wrote:The Army's all on ecstasy so, they say
I read all about it in the USA Today
They stepped up urine testing to make it go away
'Cause it's hard to kill the enemy on the ol' MDMA

Said the King of contradiction
To the Queen of mystery
The Prince of paradox,
He dogs me like a flea
So I'll set my troops upon him
And bring him to his knees
When all is said and done
I'll pick a fight with the Chinese
The Queen she stared at him long and hard
And then she softly said
I'll rub you down with linseed oil
To ease your throbbing head
She slipped a note in an apricot
And threw it to the whores
The jester read the words
Something wicked this way roars

The price they put upon the heads
Of folks with poignant views
Would be better spent
on the children without shoes
And when the King condoned
The actions of the liar
He forgot to weight the awesome power
Of the village crier

The Army's on ecstasy, so they say
I read all about it in the USA Today
They stepped up urine testing to make it go away
'Cause it's hard to kill the enemy on the ol' MDMA
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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:41 am

They should give Ecstasy to people before not after they join the military. Then they wouldn't want to kill anyone to begin with.
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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby Penguin » Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:54 am

Pure MDMA used in a few sessions will most definitely not be very harmful to you. 100% definitely it will not make your teeth fall out, you would need to go on a huge binge to achieve that. A binge of probably hundreds or thousands of doses over a considerable time span.

MDMA has been studied on a couple of occasions earlier, for treating PTSD-like trauma states, and has been found to work well - anecdotal evidence is found by the heaploads as well. Some of the exaggerated dangers can be blamed on mr. Ricaurte, who gave rats methamphetamine and claimed it was MDMA - probably to up the scaremongering on behalf of the DEA. He was later caught on this and admitted the falsifying of the research - http://www.mdma.net/toxicity/washpost.html

Also, not to say it is harmless. It is not, it has certain risks, namely overheating of brain tissue causing neural damage etc., but most of the risks are associated with impure substance, unknown or excessive dosage, and excessive physical activity combined with too little liquid intake leading to body temperature problems. MDMA itself is not neurotoxic, but the state it causes in the brain leads to free radicals causing oxidative damage to neurons.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml Some basic info...

I dislike reading about treating war vets with anything, simply because US soldiers have been fighting wars of aggression and conquest, just like the israeli ones. Never mind that many soldiers probably didnt have all the facts, they killed or witnessed gruesome events, and trauma is what they got for taking part in it. They should not have gone to war in the first place. As long as the causes for war remain untreated, research like this is simply aiding in the continuation of the atrocities - not to say that sufferers shouldnt be helped, but what needs a cure is our society, not just the individual victims of the system.

That said, cannabis has also helped some with PTSD - http://www.mikuriya.com/cw_ptsd.html

Snippet:
...and in the 10 years since California physicians have been approving cannabis use by patients, I have found myself appreciating and confirming Mill’s insight with every report that cannabis has eased symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder.

PTSD As a Dissociative Disorder

PTSD—a chronic condition involving horrific memories that cannot be erased—is a dissociative identity disorder. The victims’s psyche is fragmented in response to contradictory inputs that cannot be resolved.
Dissociative identity disorders are expressed in bizarre or inappropriate behaviors with intense sadness, fear, and anger. Repression or “forgetting” of the experiences may develop as a coping mechanism.
When traumatic or abusive experiences cannot be integrated into normal consciousness —as in the case of the Jekyl-Hyde behaviors of abusive parents or caregivers— creation of separate personalities or identities may occur.

For example, the woman who was molested by a family member may have both superfically-compliant and repressed-raging identities. The persona that’s presented to the world can be swept away when a stimulus calls forth the overwhelming rage.
Such fragmenting of the individual personality causes tremendous stress. The psyche is incomplete because of repression and denial. The person tries to appear normal and logical but in fact is in turmoil, angry and depressed. The inability to deal directly with emotional issues results in ongoing splitting and compartmentalization of the personality —and in extreme cases, multiple personalities, hysterical fugue (a separate state of consciousness that the individual may not recall), blindness, paralysis, and other functional disruptions.
In 1994 the term “Multiple Personality Disorder” was replaced with the more widely applicable “Dissociative Identity Disorder.” As an article (by Foote et al) and editorial (Spiegel) in the April 2006 American Journal of Psychiatry attest, it is only relatively recently that PTSD has been characterized as a dissociative disorder.

Easement by Cannabis

Approximately eight percent of the >9,000 Californians whose cannabis use I have monitored presented with PTSD (309.81) as a primary diagnosis. Many of them are Vietnam veterans whose chronic depression, insomnia, and accompanying irritability cannot be relieved by conventional psychotherapeutics and is worsened by alcohol. For many of these veterans, chronic pain from old physical injury compounds problems with narcotic dependence and side effects of opioids.

Survivors of childhood abuse and other traumatic experiences form a second group manifesting the same symptoms —loss of control and recurrent episodes of anxiety, depression, panic attacks and mood swings, chronic sleep deficit and nightmares.
The brief case reports in the box at the right of this page, unique though the subjects may be, typify two different forms that PTSD takes, both of which are eased by cannabis. The recurrent nightmares from the vet’s traumatic episode took on a life of their own, causing nocturnal turmoil and dread. The repressed memories of the sexually abused and beaten woman were symptoms of a fragmented, dissociative response to the disorder.

Easement by cannabis helped both —the vet by toning down his reaction to the nightmares and restoration of his sleep, the woman by modulating her emotional reactivity and permitting her to process and integrate the experience and give up the fragmented, dissociative defense mechanisms, which in due course she no longer needed.
Repression and suppression are defense mechanisms that break down when the victim is fatigued and/or hurting and subjected to triggering stimuli. With cannabis, vegetative functions necessary for recovery, growth and repair are normalized.

Cannabis relieves pain, enables sleep, normalizes gastrointestinal function and restores peristalsis. Fortified by improved digestion and adequate rest, the patient can resist being overwhelmed by triggering stimuli. There is no other psychotherapeutic drug with these synergistic and complementary effects.

Practical Treatment Goals

In treating PTSD, psychotherapy should focus on improving how the patient deals with resurgent symptoms rather than revisitation of the events. Decreasing vulnerability to symptoms and restoring control to the individual take priority over insight as treatment goals. Revisiting the traumatic events without closure and support is not useful but prolongs and exacerbates pain and fear of loss of control. To repeat: cathartic revisiting of the traumatic experience(s) without support and closure is anti-therapeutic and can exacerbate symptoms.

Physical pain, fatigue, and sleep deficit are symptoms that can be ameliorated. Restorative exercise and diet are requisite components of treatment of PTSD and depression. Cannabis does not leave the patient too immobile to exercise, as do some analgesics, sedatives biodi-azapenes, etc. Regular aerobic exercise (where injury does not interfere) relieves tension and restores control through kinesthetic involvement. Exercise also internalizes the locus of control and diminishes drug-seeking to manage emotional response.

The importance of sound sleep

PTSD often involves irritability and inability to concentrate, which is aggravated by sleep deficit. Cannabis use enhances the quality of sleep through modulation of emotional reactivity. It eases the triggered flashbacks and accompanying emotional reactions, including nightmares.

The importance of restoring circadian rhythm of sleep cannot be overestimated in the management of PTSD. Avoidance of alcohol is important in large part because of the adverse effects on sleep. The short-lived relaxation and relief provided by alcohol are replaced by withdrawal symptoms at night, causing anxiety and the worsening of musculoskeletal pain.

Evening oral cannabis may be a useful substitute for alcohol. With proper dosage, the quality and length of sleep can be improved without morning dullness or hangover. For naïve patients, use of oral cannabis should be gradually titrated upward in a supportive setting; this is the key to avoiding unwanted mental side effects.

I recommend the protocol J. Russell Reynolds M.D., commended to Queen Victoria: “The dose should be given in minimum quantity, repeated in not less than four to six hours, and gradually increased by one drop every third or fourth day, until either relief is obtained, or the drug is proved, in such case to be useless. With these precautions I have never met with any toxic effects, and have rarely failed to find, after a comparatively short time, either the value or the uselessness of the drug.”

The advantage of oral over inhaled cannabis for sleep is duration of effect; a disadvantage is the time of onset (45-60 minutes). When there is severe recurrent insomnia with frequent awakening it is possible to medicate with inhaled cannabis and return to sleep. An unfortunate result of cannabis prohibition is that researchers and plant breeders have not been able to develop strains in which sedative components of the plant predominate.

Modulation, Not Extinction

Although it is now widely accepted that cannabinoids help extinguish painful memories, my clinical experience suggests that “extinguish” is a misnomer.
Cannabis modulates emotional reactivity, enabling people to integrate painful memories —to look at them and begin to deal with them, instead of suppressing them until a stimulus calls them forth with overwhelming force.

The modulation of emotional response relieves the flooding of negative affect. The skeletal and smooth muscle relaxation decreases the release of corticosteroids and escalating “fight-or-flight” agitation. The modulation of mood prevents or significantly decreases the symptoms of anxiety attacks, mood swings, and insomnia.

While decreasing the intensity of affectual response, cannabis increases introspection as evidenced by the slowing of the EEG after initial stimulation. Unique anti-depressive effects are experienced immediately with an alteration in cognition. Obsessive and pressured thinking give way to introspective free associations (given relaxed circumstances). Emotional reactivity is calmed, worries become less pressing.

Used on a continuing basis, cannabis can hold depressive symptoms at bay. Agitated depression appears to respond to the anxiolytic component of the drug. Social withdrawal and emotional shutting down are reversed.
The short-term memory loss induced by cannabis that may be undesirable in other contexts is therapeutic in controlling obsessive ideation, amplified anxiety and fear of loss of control ignited by the triggering stimuli.

Easement Effects of Cannabis

In treating PTSD, cannabis provides control and amelioration of chronic stressors without adverse side effects. Mainstream medicine treats PTSD symptoms such as hyperalertness, insomnia, and nightmares with an array of SSRI and tricyclic anti-depressants, sedatives, analgesics, muscle relaxants, etc., all of which provide inadequate relief and have side effects that soon become problematic. Sedatives, both prescribed and over-the-counter, when used chronically, commonly cause hangovers, dullness, sedation, constipation, weight gain, and depression. See chart at right.

Cannabis is a unique psychotropic immunomodulator which can best be categorized as an “easement.” Modulating the overwhelming flood of negative affect in PTSD is analogous to the release of specific tension, a process of “unclenching” or release. As when a physical spasm is relieved, there is a perception of “wholeness” or integration of the afflicted system with the self. For some, this perceptual perspective is changed in other ways such as distancing (separating the reaction from the stimulus, which can involve either lessening the reaction, as with modulation, or repressing/suppressing the memory; walling it off; forgetting).

The modulation of emotional response relieves the flooding of negative affect. The skeletal and smooth muscle relaxation decreases the sympathetic nervous reactivity and kindling component of agitation. Fight/flight responses and anger symptoms are significantly ameliorated. The fear of loss of control diminishes as episodes of agitation and feeling overwhelmed are lessened. Experiences of control then come to prevail. Thinking is freed from attachment to the past and permitted to fix on the present and future. Instead of being transfixed by nightmares, the sufferer is freed to realize dreams.

Based on both safety and efficacy, cannabis should be considered first in the treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder. As part of a restorative program with exercise, diet, and psychotherapy, it should be substituted for “mainstream” anti-depressants, sedatives, muscle relaxants, tricyclics, etc.


I guess many of the benefits MDMA gives to PTSD sufferers are related to the relaxation, both physical and mental, in a similar way as cannabis', described above, that allow the person to process the memories in a calm space, free of the fear and anxiety regularly easily triggered when trying to approach the problematic memories, or triggered by some sensory cue. One of the notable effects of MDMA is the softening of the "body armour" ie. unconscious clenching of musculature, related to feelings of anxiety.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may0 ... e_5707.php
Oregon Toxicologist Says Treatment for PTSD Should Include Cannabis

http://psychcentral.com/news/2009/03/10 ... /4642.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_a ... 850302.ece
"At last the incurably traumatised may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. And controversially, the key to taming their demons is the ‘killer’ drug Ecstasy"

http://www.mdma.net/therapy/ptsd.html
A clinical plan for MDMA (Ecstasy) in the treatment of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD): partnering with the FDA
by
Doblin R.
Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies,
Sarasota, Florida, USA.
rick@maps.org
J Psychoactive Drugs 2002 Apr-Jun;34(2):185-94
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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby crikkett » Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:01 am

undead wrote:Go scuttle back to the hole you crawled out of.


Hey now! That's not appropriate. Knock it off.

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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby wordspeak2 » Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:18 am

Thank you, Penguin!
Wow, the ignorance on MDMA is absolutely mind-blowing. Now MDMA makes your teeth fall out, huh? And does it make you pick up and ax and kill your mother, like they told you cannabis did? And I have to agree- hava1, if you're going to make bizarre claims about the Isareli mafia's central connection to the MDMA trade, you should back it up.

Montag, you should really try some pure ecstasy, instead of believing what they taught you in school. I've taken it over a hundred times over the past five years, as very deliberate therapy for a lot of emotional trauma that I've had to deal with, and have found it to be absolutely profound medicine for my entire being. It relaxes while it inspires; it promotes sincere feelings of love for oneself and others, while turning on your creativity at the same time. If you get real stuff that's not dirty I've found there is no "crash" the day after; in fact, the day after is phenomenal. MDMA is a psychedelic drug, but it's shorter-acting and milder than most. It can permanently change how you see the world, and it can gently open your third eye, if you allow it to. I've never met a person who doesn't like it; that would be like not liking sex, or, say, spending a summer day on the beach. You have to be a pretty dark person to not like it. Anyone who hasn't tried MDMA- you really owe it to yourself to. I pretty much credit it for saving my life.

Needless to say, what we hear about MDMA from the media are brazen lies. The MDMA-causes-brain-damage line came from a study that, it was eventually revealed- was actually conducted on methamphetamine. Whoops. Watch that "Ecstasy Rising" video by Peter Jennings. Also, the www.mdma.net web site that Penguin linked to is excellent.

I think this group MAPS' work in trying to regulate MDMA as legal therapeutic medicine is revolutionary, and one of the more important campaigns going on out there. Good luck and best wishes to MAPS!
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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:33 am

I've never heard of The International Campaign for Real History.

The article explores the subject of Israeli Mafia and Ecstasy. I didn't read the entire thing so apologies if it turns out to be some anti-semitic screed. On first glance it doesn't appear to be.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/04/11/Israeli_ecstasy.html
Don't believe anything they say.
And at the same time,
Don't believe that they say anything without a reason.
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Re: Vets Get Ecstasy to Treat Their PTSD

Postby wordspeak2 » Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:41 pm

Interesting article; I just read it. I had thought that most of the MDMA in the States came from Europe. The article says that's no longer the case; it's mostly from Israel, but we'll see how long that lasts, as it may be shifting to Latin America. Well. If indeed it is the Jews- THANK YOU. Another positive Jewish contribution to the world. It's just too bad that this medicine is illegal and has to be distributed by existing criminal networks. It's time to end the era of drug prohibition.
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