Fuck Obama

[Nordic]

I suppose I could rightfully assume that you are calling me a fascist.

Uh .... no. I have no idea how your brain makes that connection.

I am saying this: If you're supporting the Obama administration, you are supporting a fascist administration.

If you don't realize his administration if fascist, well, that's your problem. I can't help you with that, although I try.

You can figure out the implications from there. Or maybe you won't. I don't know. You just made a connection that seems bizarre to me, so you might come up with some others that seem equally bizarre.

There are a lot of well-meaning people supporting a fascist right now, a fascist named Obama.

This is how marketing and propaganda and PR works. It's quite brilliant and extremely effective.

[82_28]

If it makes you feel any better, the belief in American democracy was less delusional then than it is now.

The delusion Sim, is that you somehow feel that your opinion will potentially make me "feel any better".

Those of us who are currently enjoying Grapes, however low hanging and smallish we may find them to be, certainly understand how the starving can come to your conclusions.

And you have our sympathies, regardless of the fact that you're starving due to your own ignorance.

If it makes you feel any better, I won't ask the question a third time.

a million kudos to you, dear sir. a tip of that hat to anyone willing to take on the righteous angry mob.

Here's the deal. You guys don't seem to get that it is you. Nobody is fucking angry. Nobody from my "meager" amounts of keeping track of you cats can change this. I'm not keeping track of "you", but I am keeping track of how the conversation develops. Your man in the the tall castle is overseeing the deaths of millions yearly. How is this rectified? Do you not see that this is an ancient problem? There are no solutions. Evil needs to step the fuck up and quit being fucking evil. It needs to do the right thing and begin to provide for those it has destroyed. This is the only way. Evil can never be destroyed, only divine, if not human empathy can overcome this. Yet it will never happen, because everybody thinks the argument is the plot.

It is not!

It is the lack of understanding that no matter how much you may think you may know, you're getting played -- even if you're on "their side". You guys who argue for the legitimacy of Obama et al, are a part of the plot. Get out of it. Don't succumb, as best you can. It is clear and obvious that we are being completely manipulated. Racism and such is not dead now, it is only beginning.

Fashion for us a scenario where everything works out from the starting point being now. I bet you can't come up with one without relying on a cult of personality.

[Nordic]

You don't get it, 82. Being President is SOOOOO hard that you have no choice but to be a fascist! Anything else is just SOOOO hard, especially for the first black president who is just SOOO cool!

There's no fucking way that anything bad is Obama's fault. No way!

He has, after all, zero power as President of the United States.

[82_28]

BTW- I feel better already. Anytime I can reduce the opposition in this thread to muttering half/ass ideological vagaries (democracy is a myth you know) and pseudo "your a fascist" polemics (Nordic/82_28), I feel I've done a good days work.

Your welcome.

No, we're not welcome. You're welcome. You got the goods. You've aligned yourself with what you view as something that benefits you.

What I see is a fucking hell hole that is sapping the spiritual strength of just about everybody who has managed to get through their lives up to this point and you motherfuckers aren't helping. But you're not here to help are you?

Until I see otherwise, those who I am now disagreeing with on this thread are people who I have no doubt would have any problem seeing 82_28 shot through the head when the time comes.

Shit just happens.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Until I see otherwise, those who I am now disagreeing with on this thread are people who I have no doubt would have any problem seeing 82_28 shot through the head when the time comes.

Queen for a day friend, take a bow. Seriously.

[82_28]

Well, envision me how ever you need to. You still aren't grokking my point. Seriously.

The point isn't getting shot in the head, it's that when you get called out, you roll out the dick. You have to be lame. This is your problem and mine by way of yours, because you have to be such an insulting cocksucker who thinks that for some reason I don't understand what it is you happen to think about an obvious situation which ultimately results in state sanctioned violence against innocents.

Yeah. Be hip, that's all good. But you're only hip. I think you're paying attention and that's fine. But fuck you and your insults. Seriously.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Oh I grok your point alright. The point being you tried to ignore the following by redirecting it to, in essence, "those that disagree with my point of view here are fascist murderers at heart". I think that about sums up your point, right?

Nice try.

So let us undertake a mental exercise and assume we withdraw from both Afghanistan/Pakistan and Iraq tomorrow. What of these countries the day after. What of Iran's influence on Iraq/Syria/Lebanon and in turn, Israel. What of Afghanistan's influence on Pakistan and in turn India. What of the pogroms unleashed on those who are viewed as unsympathetic towards extremist Islamic worldviews in these countries. What of the cost of oil if this region becomes inflamed with theological conflict, both wrt to America and to countries/economies that are not even remotely involved in the ME. Where does China and Russia fit in with all of this? Say we consider worst case scenarios, just for grins. I'm interested in hearing the thoughts of all here as to what the potentially millions of innocent souls leaving the Earth might say to us (you), depending upon where you stand wrt to these issues?

Maybe none of this is worth consideration?

Didn't want to let this slip (or allow it to be ignored). So, self proclaimed anti-fascist (btw-words on the interwebs don't qualify you to call yourself such - and I find that it cheapens those who are actually doing the "real" work in the "real" world, just so you know), you've gotten your wish. Now what?

And please spare me the fairy tale, drama queen rhetoric. Can we at least try to imagine (realistically) the day/years after here? I mean, you now own these scenarios, so don't pussy out on us now (remember, "Millions of Souls" are counting on you)...who the fuck you gonna call?

[82_28]

Oh I grok your point alright. The point being you tried to ignore the following by redirecting it to, in essence, "those that disagree with my point of view here are fascist murderers at heart". I think that about sums up your point, right?

Nice try.

So let us undertake a mental exercise and assume we withdraw from both Afghanistan/Pakistan and Iraq tomorrow. What of these countries the day after. What of Iran's influence on Iraq/Syria/Lebanon and in turn, Israel. What of Afghanistan's influence on Pakistan and in turn India. What of the pogroms unleashed on those who are viewed as unsympathetic towards extremist Islamic worldviews in these countries. What of the cost of oil if this region becomes inflamed with theological conflict, both wrt to America and to countries/economies that are not even remotely involved in the ME. Where does China and Russia fit in with all of this? Say we consider worst case scenarios, just for grins. I'm interested in hearing the thoughts of all here as to what the potentially millions of innocent souls leaving the Earth might say to us (you), depending upon where you stand wrt to these issues?

Maybe none of this is worth consideration?

Didn't want to let this slip (or allow it to be ignored). So, self proclaimed anti-fascist (btw-words on the interwebs don't qualify you to call yourself such - and I find that it cheapens those who are actually doing the "real" work in the "real" world, just so you know), you've gotten your wish. Now what?

And please spare me the fairy tale, drama queen rhetoric. Can we at least try to imagine (realistically) the day/years after here? I mean, you now own these scenarios, so don't pussy out on us now (remember, "Millions of Souls" are counting on you)...who the fuck you gonna call?

Oh sure. I have no doubt that you "grok" my point. You're still a fucking dick where you don't need to be and from what I know of your ass, we probably don't have a lot of political disagreement.

Did I mention how I won't pussy out yet? Just chill the fuck out CB and quit being a fucking dick. I am only asking you and that is the best I can do to beat you in some kind of an argument.

Yet, you'll lose, because you are obviously wrong. However, you're free to believe what it is you believe and I stand behind it. Will I win? No. There are no winners. I just ain't joining your cult of personality.

Resume internet/obama hipness [here].

Well done Mr. Cowbell, for being nothing other than a dick.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Oh sure. I have no doubt that you "grok" my point. You're still a fucking dick where you don't need to be and from what I know of your ass, we probably don't have a lot of political disagreement.

I think it's just my natural reaction to being allowed to join stuff. Apologies.

You can either join us or you can continue in your ways of worshiping a figure who comes straight out of technocratic central casting. Your call. However, in order to join "us" you have to promise to never ever make excuses for those above you.

Resume internet/obama hipness [here].

I think he means carry on "fucking", but I can't be sure.

Well done Mr. Cowbell, for being nothing other than a dick.

I come from the Nordic School. What else can I say

[82_28]

I come from the Nordic School. What else can I say

That you're a dick? Just quit being a dick. That's it. Some people don't agree with your assessments. Who the fuck cares? You'll get called out and others will be called out as well. Generate some evidence that Obama is awesome or even remotely old school democratic. Just generate it, post it. Until then, he's not. The myth of Obama only exists in your head mang.

[barracuda]

82_28, you oughta recognize that when you have to resort to calling people fucking dicks, it's time to try a different tack. Please do.

[82_28]

While you may hate football barracuda. I've spent the day watching it. Does that make me a badass? No. I don't appreciate being called a drama queen by someone who fails to fucking see what it was I was saying. And you know, I don't even know what the fuck it was anymore. Oh yeah, "fascism".

I wasn't calling anybody a dick, I asked for CCB to quit being a dick insofar as I am not a drama queen.

WAH WAH WAH. I know. But fuck anybody, when you call me a drama queen when I point out the obvious about these "wars" and support your dude who supposedly was to bring hope and continually make fun of the easily understandable title of the thread. I'm certainly not trying to make internet enemies and I have no problem with anyone. I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks. But calling me a drama queen is worse than me calling someone a dick. In fact, none of it matters.

I called the dude a dick for calling me a drama queen about something I happen to feel strongly about.

[Cedars of Overburden]

We "got here" because people were duped into a political delusion of a bona fide democracy — and they accepted that delusion as "reality."

These Democrats died for nothing then, is that it?

I doubt that they were willing to die for the right of the president to ordered American citizens assassinated. I doubt that they were willing to die to kill Arabs and Muslims by remote control. Likely petty by comparison, but I also doubt that they were willing to die for getting sold down the river to the health insurance corporations.

[Simulist]

Good points, YP.

Like the Bush Administration, the Obama Administration is actually anti-democracy in many, many respects. Today's Democratic Party enables this anti-democracy trend under the Obama Administration just as it cooperated with the Republican Party in enabling the Bush Administration in its crimes.

That doesn't earn my vote.

It does earn my contempt.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

I doubt that they were willing to die for the right of the president to ordered American citizens assassinated. I doubt that they were willing to die to kill Arabs and Muslims by remote control. Likely petty by comparison, but I also doubt that they were willing to die for getting sold down the river to the health insurance corporations.

I doubt they were willing to die for the Civil Rights movement either, but that wasn't the point -or- the question now was it?