Airport Security? More Like TSA GONE WILD

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Postby Project Willow » Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:13 pm

What the hell is that doing on Truthdig?

OK, this is disturbing me so much, beyond the immediately understandable, I think one problem is that I'm reading these defense pieces as a step too close to a defense of the government employed sociopaths who irradiated and sexually abused me "for the greater good" of this "country".

If enough people can find agreement with this treatment then what would stop them from supporting what has been done to 100,000 human experimentation and MC slaves as well? What is to stop them from justifying molestation or sexual assault that doesn't involve penetration? I can hear it already: "What are you compaining about girl? You have to go through more than that to get on an airplane."

This is creating a mountainous, slimy, brown, slippery slope.
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Re: Airport Security? More Like TSA GONE WILD

Postby Simulist » Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:17 pm

Project Willow wrote:What the hell is that doing on Truthdig?

OK, this is disturbing me so much, beyond the immediately understandable, I think one problem is that I'm reading these defense pieces as a step too close to a defense of the government employed sociopaths who irradiated and sexually abused me "for the greater good" of this "country".

If enough people can find agreement with this treatment then what would stop them from supporting what has been done to 100,000 human experimentation and MC slaves as well?

That's exactly what I think each and every time I see someone defend this shit.

Project Willow wrote:What is to stop them from justifying molestation or sexual assault that doesn't involve penetration? I can hear it already: "What are you compaining about girl? You have to go through more than that to get on an airplane."

This is creating a mountainous, slimy, brown, slippery slope.

Damned right, it is.
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Re: Airport Security? More Like TSA GONE WILD

Postby Nordic » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:10 pm

All of that, PLUS it is quite simply 100 percent against the 4th amendment. In other words it's indefensible. Yet here it is.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:23 pm

I have been disgusted at the tone of the editorials in favor of this -- "Shut Up and Submit" or "Get Over Yourself" -- wow. Really naked aggression and bullying.
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Re: Airport Security? More Like TSA GONE WILD

Postby SonicG » Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:33 am

Juan Cole chimes in with a bit of "Submit, Submit":
http://www.juancole.com/2010/11/looking ... ravel.html
Since the Bush administration hyped the ‘war on terror’ trope half to death, many in the American public no longer want to hear about this danger. But it is part of my business in life to deliver the horrific news that the threat is real.

The question is really what level of risk Americans are willing to live with. On the one hand, studies suggest that the crotch bomber could not really have brought down the airliner over Detroit last year, even if he had been able to detonate his payload. And, 500 million Europeans decline to take off their shoes when they travel by air, but there haven’t been any successful shoe bombings over there, nevertheless.

On the other hand, it would only take a few small teams making a concerted effort at bombing airliners, to spook travelers and consumers. With the US at risk of a double dip recession, this moment might appeal to al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda wannabes to strike. Al-Qaeda in Yemen is openly talking of a low-tech, high-explosive war against US economic interests, a war of a thousand cuts. Its planned method? PETN-based mail bombs.


I think much better points are made in comments with a quote from Paul C. Roberts (who I know is paleo-conserv. deep cover misdirect bla-bla-bla but I like his rhetoric):

If Americans were more thoughtful and less gullible, they might wonder why all the emphasis on transportation when there are so many soft targets. Shopping centers, for example. If there were enough terrorists in America to justify the existence of Homeland Security, bombs would be going off round the clock in shopping malls in every state. The effect would be far more terrifying than blowing up an airliner.

Indeed, if terrorists want to attack air travelers, they never need to board an airplane. All they need to do is to join the throngs of passengers waiting to go through the TSA scanners and set off their bombs. The TSA has conveniently assembled the targets.

Think about it. Would a terror organization capable of outwitting all 16 US intelligence agencies, all intelligence agencies of US allies including Israel's Mossad, the National Security Council, NORAD, air traffic control, the Pentagon, and airport security four times in one hour put its unrivaled prestige at risk with improbable shoe bombs, shampoo bombs, and underwear bombs?

After success in destroying the World Trade Center and blowing up part of the Pentagon, it is an extraordinary comedown to go after a mere airliner. Would a person who gains fame by knocking out the world heavyweight boxing champion make himself a laughing stock by taking lunch money from school boys?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/TSA-GE ... 3-893.html

Indeed, where is the debate, honest and forthright, about how much of a true threat is posed by all these swarthy men hiding in shadows of third-world countries and, supposedly, mosques in Dearborn? Nearly 10 years after 911, there is some sudden need for this? I am starting to believe that, indeed, Reptileans exerting occult mind-fogging techniques are responsible for this paranoia.
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Re: Airport Security? More Like TSA GONE WILD

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:03 am

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Airport Security? More Like TSA GONE WILD

Postby Nordic » Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:54 am


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If Americans were more thoughtful and less gullible, they might wonder why all the emphasis on transportation when there are so many soft targets. Shopping centers, for example. If there were enough terrorists in America to justify the existence of Homeland Security, bombs would be going off round the clock in shopping malls in every state. The effect would be far more terrifying than blowing up an airliner.

Indeed, if terrorists want to attack air travelers, they never need to board an airplane. All they need to do is to join the throngs of passengers waiting to go through the TSA scanners and set off their bombs. The TSA has conveniently assembled the targets.

Think about it. Would a terror organization capable of outwitting all 16 US intelligence agencies, all intelligence agencies of US allies including Israel's Mossad, the National Security Council, NORAD, air traffic control, the Pentagon, and airport security four times in one hour put its unrivaled prestige at risk with improbable shoe bombs, shampoo bombs, and underwear bombs?

After success in destroying the World Trade Center and blowing up part of the Pentagon, it is an extraordinary comedown to go after a mere airliner. Would a person who gains fame by knocking out the world heavyweight boxing champion make himself a laughing stock by taking lunch money from school boys?


Wow. Some common fucking sense out of somebody.

I think of this almost every time I watch a football game. Or when I recently rode the subway. Or when I'm stuck in traffic high in the sky on a highway overpass. Or when I'm in a crowded mall.

If there were boogymen terrorists all over the place, they could have a fucking field day every damn day of the week, in every city in America.

But they don't. Because they're NOT THERE. They don't exist.

Hell, Karl Rove went on a fucking book tour, in pre-announced book stores all over the country, and had barely any security whatsofuckingever.

So if that guy wasn't scared ....? Why should anyone else be.

This whole thing is a goddamn joke, and somebody, somewhere, is laughing their asses off at the sheep who will submit to EVERYTHING. Like Simulist said, this is just a way to see how much shit Americans will eat. And we have all seen that there is absolutely no limit to the amount of shit Americans will eat.

And you are what you eat.
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Re: Airport Security? More Like TSA GONE WILD

Postby 82_28 » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:22 am

Nordic wrote:

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If Americans were more thoughtful and less gullible, they might wonder why all the emphasis on transportation when there are so many soft targets. Shopping centers, for example. If there were enough terrorists in America to justify the existence of Homeland Security, bombs would be going off round the clock in shopping malls in every state. The effect would be far more terrifying than blowing up an airliner.

Indeed, if terrorists want to attack air travelers, they never need to board an airplane. All they need to do is to join the throngs of passengers waiting to go through the TSA scanners and set off their bombs. The TSA has conveniently assembled the targets.

Think about it. Would a terror organization capable of outwitting all 16 US intelligence agencies, all intelligence agencies of US allies including Israel's Mossad, the National Security Council, NORAD, air traffic control, the Pentagon, and airport security four times in one hour put its unrivaled prestige at risk with improbable shoe bombs, shampoo bombs, and underwear bombs?

After success in destroying the World Trade Center and blowing up part of the Pentagon, it is an extraordinary comedown to go after a mere airliner. Would a person who gains fame by knocking out the world heavyweight boxing champion make himself a laughing stock by taking lunch money from school boys?


Wow. Some common fucking sense out of somebody.

I think of this almost every time I watch a football game. Or when I recently rode the subway. Or when I'm stuck in traffic high in the sky on a highway overpass. Or when I'm in a crowded mall.

If there were boogymen terrorists all over the place, they could have a fucking field day every damn day of the week, in every city in America.

But they don't. Because they're NOT THERE. They don't exist.

Hell, Karl Rove went on a fucking book tour, in pre-announced book stores all over the country, and had barely any security whatsofuckingever.

So if that guy wasn't scared ....? Why should anyone else be.

This whole thing is a goddamn joke, and somebody, somewhere, is laughing their asses off at the sheep who will submit to EVERYTHING. Like Simulist said, this is just a way to see how much shit Americans will eat. And we have all seen that there is absolutely no limit to the amount of shit Americans will eat.

And you are what you eat.


No, they don't exist. But say, speaking of bridges and stuff, of which I live very near a number, that if brought down would completely cripple the entire PNW and absolutely cripple the city of Seattle for sure. So what I'm saying is, what about the crumbling infrastructure such as say that bridge collapse in Minneapolis a couple of years ago? There was a bridge closure here in Seattle that totally cut off one neighborhood from another this summer. It is closed indefinitely.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... ge29m.html

"We haven't been successful in securing funding [to replace the bridge]," Taniguchi told a gathering of more than 100 at the Boeing Machinists Hall in South Park. "June 30 is a very realistic date."

The agency also released a bridge-closure proposal certain to disrupt commuters and business owners in the neighborhood that hugs the Duwamish River.

About 20,000 cars and trucks cross the 78-year-old bridge each day, and when it closes, many of those vehicles will be diverted to First Avenue South Bridge. According to a county analysis, that diversion could add 20 minutes to the commutes of South Park Bridge users, which include Georgetown and Boulevard Park residents.


They are simply using technology to "help" us understand that "they" won't be investing in us anymore. Is it more a war '"footing", an austerity footing or just plain getting ripped off and wholesale society-wide mind control? They're doing it piece by piece. I created some thread awhile back which didn't catch on that I reckoned what is going on is that "they" are scuttling this country's infrastructure with a view to creating "secure" "burbclaves" ala Neal Stephenson's Snowcrash etc. They are bleeding us all dry and allocating the meager funds necessary to with as little "impact" is necessary, to completely reinvent the society they want.

A prediction from me, this shall soon affect wilderness areas. It will be one of the latest outrages. The time of the "slippery slope" is over. We've landed in the basin now. Now it's their move again with where they funnel us or which conveyor belt they place us on and to which destination they've chosen to assuage the method of all of our deaths. Slippery slope time is over. We're there. We're at their mercy completely.

Hopefully there is something to what is detailed in the Ted Rall/Rude Pundit thread. . .

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Re: Airport Security? More Like TSA GONE WILD

Postby nathan28 » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:35 am

Wombaticus Rex wrote:I have been disgusted at the tone of the editorials in favor of this -- "Shut Up and Submit" or "Get Over Yourself" -- wow. Really naked aggression and bullying.



The only nuanced editorializing I've seen on this has been in that Nation article i posted in the Kochs Get TSA-Rubdown Job thread. This looks like classic Overton Window nonsense. Libertarians have siezed on this as a means to promote a privatization agenda--they don't want to eliminate the pat-downs, they want to outsource them, which shows who they really support. Retardofascists are latching onto the breast-groping, sack-checking nonsense to promote racial profiling. They all got their way when a Republican was in charge--it's illegal to carry water on your person in an airport, all shoes contain lethal weapons, belts are now dangerous explosives devices, jackets need to be searched even when they don't set off metal detectors, etc., etc. Now a so-called "opponent" has adopted their "center"-right policies, and they've seized on that as a point of contention--porn scanners should be banned, then turned over to private interests. TSA rub-downs will continue, but now it will be illegal to be black on an airplane. Etc. etc.

This is the strategy that ?Colby? outlined for the Republicans: oppose all Democratic policies at all times by all means, essentially holding things hostage except when there's a Repub. majority or admin.

I'm not a politician. I don't know how to respond to crap like that. I would suggest a massive campaign, "Scanners don't stop terrorists", which would be aimed at letting the public realize that a porn-scanner isn't anything but a gov't hand-out to a manufacturer, and that if we really cared about security we'd beef up uniform and plainclothes patrols and intelligence at airports, that we'd assign cops to monitoring legally-established threats through present law, not buy scanners and grab asses.

Let me give another example or two.

I don't like Obama. I wish someone else was president.. But the Wash. Post just printed an editorial demanding that he promise not to seek a second term, b/c otherwise Congress will be in gridlock, etc., etc., and the nation will fall apart, but if he just resigns now, it'll all be better, and the Tea Party bills will save the economy, etc., etc... So, do I support these guys? No. That's thinly-veiled racist extortion, among many other things.

Or Obamacare. I think Obamacare is a corporate handout with no graces good enough to save it. It shifts costs to the near-poor and working class. It's more expensive and ineffecient than single-payer care, more expensive and inefficient than medicaid for all, and more expensive and inefficient than doing nothing. It's terrible.There are a handful of good things about it, particularly the pre-existing conditions issue. But Repubs have been agitating that they want to repeal the bill. Do I support that? Hell no. Keep it in place.

Now, the obvious solution is just to take advantage of all the Koch money poured into this issue to promote a true civil liberties right-to-decency campaign, but I have no illusions about my own level of influence over, say, Freedomworks. I'm not a Trotskyite or Spartacist, either, so I'm not sure I advocate "infiltration" of bourgie movements like this one.

Probably more to the point, I don't think that many people can afford to fly anymore. Not that I'm justifying the new rules--I'm pointing out that their relevance for the rest of us is rapidly declining, hence, this is a very unusual issue.


"they" are scuttling this country's infrastructure with a view to creating "secure" "burbclaves" ala Neal Stephenson's Snowcrash etc. They are bleeding us all dry and allocating the meager funds necessary to with as little "impact" is necessary, to completely reinvent the society they want.


Off topic, but I don't think it'll be "burbclaves," or, the burbclaves will be vacation communities. See, e.g., Moscow, the oligarch's playground. Look at gentrification in the US, and efforts to 'break' ethnic communities that are politically organized (the "ten thousand city halls", e.g., the Mexican population in Bushwick, which is now "East Williamsburg") etc. Urban waterfront warehouses have a remarkable ability to catch on fire, if you get what I mean.
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Postby Montag » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:10 pm

Grab ‘n’ Feel
November 24, 2010

http://www.rall.com/rallblog/2010/11/24/grab-n-feel
The big topic the week seems to be airport security. Millions of white, middle- and upper-middle-class people are now experiencing what until now was experienced by mainly young men of color–arbitrary pat downs and searches.

This is mostly academic to people such as myself. I haven’t had the money to fly since 2006.

But it should be obvious to people what would be most effective in this situation: Boycott the airlines until the nonsense stops. People’s voices and votes may not be worth much these days, but the “dollar votes” are still heard loud and clear by those in power. Vote with your dollars.

But of course, I know you won’t listen. You never do. You’re gonna keep flying, and you’re gonna stand in line at 4am this Friday morning to buy crap shipped in from China.

Get a clue. Please.

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Postby Montag » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:18 pm

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Postby JackRiddler » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:58 pm

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At least this issue is neatly dividing the statist-authoritarian, party-obedient, genuinely big-government "liberals" like those at The Nation (who would have never tolerated such a policy under Bush) from the naive ones who are actually liberals and mean it.

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Re: Airport Security? More Like TSA GONE WILD

Postby anothershamus » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:58 pm

How far will it go? To paraphrase a quote from, Enemy of the State, 'Who's watching the watchers?'

This via The Raw Story:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/tsa-worker-allegedly-abducts-assaults-woman/

TSA worker allegedly abducts, assaults woman

By Diana Sweet
Wednesday, November 24th, 2010 -- 1:08 am


TSA worker allegedly abducts, assaults woman

This isn't going to help the view of those TSA pat-downs, as one ABC producer put it, 'worse than the gynecologist,' at all.

A Georgia TSA (Transportation Security Administration) behavior detection officer was left in critical condition when he attempted suicide Tuesday evening after allegedly abducting, and sexually assaulting a woman, then giving her a suicide note to deliver.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that law enforcement is investigating the claim that Randall Scott King, 49, "kidnapped the woman from the Lakewood station Wednesday night." King accompanied her there from the Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport "where she left with him voluntarily."

Then after allegedly restraining the woman in a parking lot, she was driven to King's home where the sexual assault is said to have taken place.

The woman said that she was then released and given a suicide note, with instructions for delivery. When a relative took the woman to the Police Department, she was still wearing the "leopard print, novelty handcuffs."

Authorities found Mr. King at his home with multiple wounds, and he was air-lifted to an area hospital. He has been an employee of the TSA for five years.
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