CANADA CAPS INTERNET USAGE AT 25GIGS/MONTH

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CANADA CAPS INTERNET USAGE AT 25GIGS/MONTH

Postby Fresno_Layshaft » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:59 pm

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/tech-news/usage-based-internet-ruling-draws-fire/article1882339/

Didn't see a thread on this yet.

I'm so pissed off about this I can't write coherently about it. But for those who don't live in this joke of a country, one company, BELL, owns the entirety of the internet and huge chunk of broadcast television (networks and delivery-satellite TV). They want people to order pay-per-view movies for $6 a pop and could not abide NETFLIX coming in to the country and getting a cut of their loot. They requested the CRTC, the "regulatory" body that governs communications which is staffed wholly by former BELL bigwigs, for "Usage-Based Billing" and (surprise) go their way.

This will be coming soon to the USA, so watch out!
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Re: CANADA CAPS INTERNET USAGE AT 25GIGS/MONTH

Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:58 am

I've used 9 gigs in the last 36 hours, and I haven't downloaded so much as a TV episode. Lots of music, mind.
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Re: CANADA CAPS INTERNET USAGE AT 25GIGS/MONTH

Postby §ê¢rꆧ » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:08 am

25 gigs is not much at all. How much are you paying for that?

Here's my usage for this month, which is almost ended: 2.8 GB / 46.2 GB Out/In

That seems pretty average for me, from what I've seen in my stats. That's two people who are dependent on internet for work and play. Yeah, we watch tv on there, probably one of us every day (but usually not both every day). Our net is about $60/month. So it looks like I'm paying a little over a dollar a gb.
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Re: CANADA CAPS INTERNET USAGE AT 25GIGS/MONTH

Postby hanshan » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:22 am

Fresno_Layshaft wrote:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/tech-news/usage-based-internet-ruling-draws-fire/article1882339/

Didn't see a thread on this yet.

I'm so pissed off about this I can't write coherently about it. But for those who don't live in this joke of a country, one company, BELL, owns the entirety of the internet and huge chunk of broadcast television (networks and delivery-satellite TV). They want people to order pay-per-view movies for $6 a pop and could not abide NETFLIX coming in to the country and getting a cut of their loot. They requested the CRTC, the "regulatory" body that governs communications which is staffed wholly by former BELL bigwigs, for "Usage-Based Billing" and (surprise) go their way.

This will be coming soon to the USA, so watch out!



It's already here in an insidious from via Verizon's wifi cap of 5gb per month, w/ an enormous surcharge for overage. This was on their 3G system & may be phased out &/ or
tinkered w/massaged when their 4G system is fully functional. However, knowing the way these corps work, w/ their virtual monopoly on wireless, (very few companies vying for the endless data pool of robotheads (customers), whom they've already addicted & brain fried via the portable nuke( iphone, etc), & then jam w/ superfluous charges, it's unlikely that they( corps) will give up an income source . Never happen.

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Re: CANADA CAPS INTERNET USAGE AT 25GIGS/MONTH

Postby matrixdutch » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:42 am

I can't believe this is happening in Canada.

In the U.S., the govt. is attempting to keep corporations at bay ("attempting" may be to strong a word as there are loopholes perhaps put there on purpose):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 06163.html

Verizon has long criticized FCC Internet access rules, calling instead for a legislative overhaul of communications laws that take into account "the whole ecosystem" of the Internet, which includes services such as Google's search and Facebook's social network.

New Republican House leaders lauded Verizon's suit in a joint statement, calling the net-neutrality rules a power grab.

"At stake is not just innovation and economic growth, although those concerns are vital," said the lawmakers, including Commerce and Energy Committee Chairman Fred Upton (Mich.). "Equally important is putting a check on an FCC that is acting beyond the authority granted to it by Congress."


If these evil cocksuckers could privatize air and sell it to you with additional costs when you reach your limit, they would.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/a ... ity/68843/

In the meantime, what the FCC did was adopt rules that do assure access to material on the Internet -- Facebook and YouTube, for example -- without restrictions or extra pricing. But when it comes to wireless providers and mobile devices, the major companies such as Verizon and AT&T now have latitude, which they seem destined eventually to use to create tiers of service that are determined by price or other factors that the companies will determine. While the Internet is approaching universal usage, Wi-Fi and mobile technologies are evolving into the fastest growing sectors of communications. What the FCC has done is create a major administrative loophole that enables the providers to determine how those technologies will work -- although it does require them to be more transparent in explaining their decisions as they are made.


An in reference to the protests in Egypt, the govt. would love an internet kill switch. I mean who wants to televise an uprising? :hrumph
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Postby nathan28 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:21 am

Sorry to get all US-centric, but the biggest difference between Canada and the US is that in Canada they don't think it's a human right to have poor people die from skin cancer. Anyway the refusal to expand bandwidth seems remarkably short-sighted and it's happening here, too.

While the Internet is approaching universal usage


Is that true? Last I checked, IIRC less than 60% of black and latino households in the US had internet access and 20% of white households don't either.

Wi-Fi and mobile technologies are evolving into the fastest growing sectors of communications. What the FCC has done is create a major administrative loophole that enables the providers to determine how those technologies will work -- although it does require them to be more transparent in explaining their decisions as they are made.


Bad news as far as history is concerned--the US gov't has had a heavy hand in determining and promoting the development of successful media infrastructures since at least the post office.

It's amazing to watch USA!USA!USA!#1! turn into a backwater. China's trains top out at 300 miles per hour, twice the Acela's, and the Acela averages below 75 miles per hour. But at least you can take guns on it.
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Postby matrixdutch » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:13 pm

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Re: CANADA CAPS INTERNET USAGE AT 25GIGS/MONTH

Postby hanshan » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:26 pm

nathan28 wrote:Sorry to get all US-centric, but the biggest difference between Canada and the US is that in Canada they don't think it's a human right to have poor people die from skin cancer. Anyway the refusal to expand bandwidth seems remarkably short-sighted and it's happening here, too.

While the Internet is approaching universal usage


Is that true? Last I checked, IIRC less than 60% of black and latino households in the US had internet access and 20% of white households don't either.

Wi-Fi and mobile technologies are evolving into the fastest growing sectors of communications. What the FCC has done is create a major administrative loophole that enables the providers to determine how those technologies will work -- although it does require them to be more transparent in explaining their decisions as they are made.


Bad news as far as history is concerned--the US gov't has had a heavy hand in determining and promoting the development of successful media infrastructures since at least the post office.

It's amazing to watch USA!USA!USA!#1! turn into a backwater. China's trains top out at 300 miles per hour, twice the Acela's, and the Acela averages below 75 miles per hour. But at least you can take guns on it.


Yeah - definitely a plus. In the name of capital & profit, the telecoms
will go backwards/ regress rather than support an egalitarian approach. The issue is control.

Universal usage? Pure myth.



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Re: CANADA CAPS INTERNET USAGE AT 25GIGS/MONTH

Postby matrixdutch » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:30 pm

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news ... illing.ars

200GB to 25GB: Canada gets first, bitter dose of metered Internet

Metered Internet usage (also called "Usage-Based Billing") is coming to Canada, and it's going to cost Internet users. While an advance guard of Canadians are expressing creative outrage at the prospect of having to pay inflated prices for Internet use charged by the gigabyte, the consequences probably haven't set in for most consumers. Now, however, independent Canadian ISPs are publishing their revised data plans, and they aren't pretty.

"Like our customers, and Canadian internet users everywhere, we are not happy with this new development," wrote the Ontario-based indie ISP TekSavvy in a recent e-mail message to its subscribers.

But like it or not, the Canadian Radio-Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) approved UBB for the incumbent carrier Bell Canada in September. Competitive ISPs, which connect to Canada's top telco for last-mile copper connections to customers, will also be metered by Bell. Even though the CRTC gave these ISPs a 15 percent discount this month (TekSavvy asked for 50 percent), it's still going to mean a real adjustment for consumers.

This is going to hurt

Starting on March 1, Ontario TekSavvy members who subscribed to the 5Mbps plan have a new usage cap of 25GB, "substantially down from the 200GB or unlimited deals TekSavvy was able to offer before the CRTC's decision to impose usage based billing," the message added.

By way of comparison, Comcast here in the United States has a 250GB data cap. Looks like lots of Canadians can kiss that kind of high ceiling goodbye. And going over will cost you: according to TekSavvy, the CRTC put data overage rates at CAN $1.90 per gigabyte for most of Canada, and $2.35 for the country's French-speaking region.

Bottom line: no more unlimited buffet. TekSavvy users who bought the "High Speed Internet Premium" plan at $31.95 now get 175GB less per month.

"Extensive web surfing, sharing music, video streaming, downloading and playing games, online shopping and email," could put users over the 25GB cap, TekSavvy warns. Also, watch out "power users that use multiple computers, smartphones, and game consoles at the same time."

You need "protection"

Here's the "good" news: TekSavvy users can now buy "insurance," defined as "a recurring subscription fee that provides you with additional monthly usage." For Ontario it's $4.75 for 40GB of additional data (sorry, but the unused data can't be forwarded to the next month).

There are also "usage vault" plans—payments made in advance for extra data. Consumers can buy vault data for $1.90/GB up to 300GB in any month.

Where once TekSavvy consumers could purchase High Speed Internet Premium at a monthly base usage of 200GB for $31.95 a month, now they can get about half of that data (if they buy two units of insurance) at $41.45 a month.

Very questionable

Starting to hate this? TekSavvy hates it, too.

"The ostensible, theoretical reason behind UBB is to conserve capacity, but that issue is very questionable," noted the ISP's CEO Rocky Gaudrault on TekSavvy's news page. "One certain result though, is that Bell will make much more profit on its Internet service, and discourage Canadians from watching TV and movies on the internet instead of CTV, which Bell now owns."

Given these dramatic changes, and the fact that ISPs around the world have made clear they wouldn't mind implementing similar schemes, it's no wonder that high-bandwidth businesses are fighting back. Last week, for instance, Netflix started publishing graphs of ISP performance in both the US and Canada, and it plans to update them monthly.

Netflix is also stepping up the war of words against ISPs who try to implement low caps and high overage fees:

"Wired ISPs have large fixed costs of building and maintaining their last mile network of residential cable and fiber. The ISPs' costs, however, to deliver a marginal gigabyte, which is about an hour of viewing, from one of our regional interchange points over their last mile wired network to the consumer is less than a penny, and falling, so there is no reason that pay-per-gigabyte is economically necessary. Moreover, at $1 per gigabyte over wired networks, it would be grossly overpriced."

The big question now is how these kind of billing changes will impact 'Net consumption patterns. Many subscribers use minimal data, but that's changing as Internet video becomes the norm. If these new plans simply discourage data hogs from backing up their 120GB pirated movie collection over the 'Net every night, there's no sleep to be lost. But if they scare consumers away from legitimate non-ISP affiliated movie and content sharing sites, that should be a firebell concern to consumers, entrepreneurs, and regulators.

And not only in Canada.
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Postby freemason9 » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:19 pm

it will go up

and then it will go down

if it doesn't fall apart first
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Postby The Consul » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:39 pm

The profit motive, it never rests. Maybe all the people addicted to porn in Canada will become politically motivated?
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Re: CANADA CAPS INTERNET USAGE AT 25GIGS/MONTH

Postby operator kos » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:02 am

Someone pointed out that this is going to effectively kill a lot of free sites and services on the Internet. Why? Because "free" sites rely primarily on ad revenue to stay afloat. But if every byte you view comes at a price, there is now a financial incentive for every Canadian to install AdBlock or similar software. Why should they pay to see ads? Every byte is precious. But nobody viewing ads means nobody clicking ads means no ad revenue for all of those free sites we enjoy. If I only read one news site a day, it's rawstory.com. The site has a dozen annoying ads posted on it, but I put up with them because without them the site would cease to exist. But if I had limited bandwidth that they were sucking up? You see the dilemma...
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Postby operator kos » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:13 am

Just found this insightful observation as well...
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Postby Gnomad » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:29 am

Hell, 25 GB is ridiculous.
At one time I measured my usage, it was something like 300 GB in, and couple hundred out. My internet society offers me 500 GB of online storage for my backups too - that makes for a lot of data use, when you move files in and out of there. My line speed is 40 mbps in, 2 mbps out - cable. It always delivers near the maximum speed, no matter what time of day it is, and costs 35 euros per month. No caps, no limits of any kind - thou the contract does say they may sometimes prioritize traffic, but it has never affected the speeds as far as I can tell.

In addition to that I have a mobile broadband, the slowest possible, 384 kbps, also unlimited data, for 4.90 euros per month ...

That SSD example too :crybaby
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Postby §ê¢rꆧ » Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:52 am

Upon reflection, I probably use closer to 75gb/month, sometimes as much as 100gb. This last month was relatively inactive. I guess my cap is 250gb, because I'm a Comcast user. 250 is acceptable - 25gb is just crazy!
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