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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:44 pm

DevilYouKnow wrote:
Laodicean wrote:
Egypt denounced the US veto, saying it damaged Washington's credibility as a peace broker. "The veto, which contradicts the American public stance rejecting settlement policy, will lead to more damage to the United States' credibility on the Arab side as a mediator in peace efforts," a Foreign Ministry statement said.


http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article273481.ece


Would we have heard this from Egypt a month ago?


Probably something like it, but it would have been understood as lip-service from a reliably hypocritical regime that would keep the Gaza border mostly sealed and continue its no-contest posture on Israeli policy. Now these words have more apparent significance, but to really know what's going to happen, you'll have to wait a year or more.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:00 pm

I went to Tahrir yesterday, to join the demonstrations affirming the goals of the revolution that have yet to be met. Even though the demonstration was supposed to start at Friday prayer time, around noon, I left very early in the morning just in case there would be delays on the way there. I parked my car at a friend's apartment building in Giza and together she and I walked to Tahrir Square.

As we got closer, we found more and more people heading the same way, many carrying flags. The mood was upbeat and celebratory, and people were smiling and calling to each other. On Kasr al-Nil Bridge, over the Nile, some entrepreneurial types were selling t-shirts with I heart Egypt from their cars. Others were selling everything from food to flags to cigarettes to cups of hot tea, all at very cheap prices. Still more were holding up signs with various slogans; the most prominent ones rejected the government of Ahmed Shafiq and other remnants of the Mubarak regime who were still in place. Volunteers had painted the bridge's ironwork and it gleamed in the sun.

I couldn't believe how big the crowd was, and it was still so early. Where the bridge leads to Tahrir Square, there were tanks and everybody was searched. My friend and I went into the line for women, where a smiling young woman searched us briskly -- the men were searched more thoroughly, by soldiers. Once in the Square, even more than two hours before the prayers, the crowd was already so big that it was almost impossible to move. The sun was very bright and before long I started to panic: in every direction, there was a sea of people as far as the eye could see. Most people around me were seated on the ground in preparation for the prayer. I said that I wanted to find some shade, and people immediately made way for me to turn back -- it took ages, but we finally made it to one of the streets leading to the square. There were big crowds there, as well, but it was cooler.

A very poor-looking old lady, smiling shyly, said to me that she wished she had a flag, so I gave her mine. My friend and I had some very lively discussions with a number of people, all of whom agreed that there must be no let-up in the pressure until all the revolution's minimal demands were met, especially: replacing the government with ministers untainted by the Mubarak regime; the immediate release of all political prisoners; an immediate end to the State of Emergency; replacing the current constitution (which, according to constitutional experts gives "god-like powers" to the president), with a totally new one that provides checks and balances and makes the government accountable to the people rather than the opposite.

Imagine feeling a sense of being among family and friends with millions of people, all looking out for each other, all talking freely to each other, laughing, joking, earnestly discussing and happily sharing with each other. Incredible.

There were people from all over Egypt, not just Cairo. Some were handing out papers, some with information and political analysis, others recruiting volunteers to visit the more than 5,000 wounded to offer help. One very brave young man was standing atop a towering lamppost (at least 4 meters high) right in front of the podium, carrying a huge sign that said: "Appointment With Palestine". Another was perched on top of a lamppost with a sign that said: "The people want the government to fall."

Every few steps we'd stop and engage in conversations of varying lengths with people -- I was incredibly impressed with those I spoke to, and learned a great deal. I recognized some veteran activists and even spoke to one, a very articulate and brave woman who viewed the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces with deep suspicion and insisted that the struggle is far from over, a sentiment that was echoed constantly throughout the day.

There was a Muslim Imam and a Coptic priest standing and speaking together to one group of people. In another area, an Egyptian Protestant priest was conducting a mass. Later, I happened to be in a street behind the main podium when I noticed around 40-50 very energetic, smiling young men gathering, right in front of me. They wore red baseball caps and black t-shirts with the words "Free Egyptian" and "January 25, 2011" written in white (for those who don't yet know, the colors of the Egyptian flag are red, white and black). They were really excited and happy. A car drove slowly towards them, surrounded by other, similarly dressed young men. I couldn't see inside the car because there were so many, but it was obvious that Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawy had arrived. They immediately swarmed around the car in a human shield several people deep, which moved with the car until it was swallowed up by the base of the podium. Sure enough, within seconds there was a huge sound of applause and the unmistakable voice of al-Qaradawy boomed out through the loudspeakers. Al-Qaradawy had been banished from Egypt during the past 30 years by Mubarak and had just come back for the first time.

Following the Friday prayers, in which he asked God to preserve Egypt from the unjust and the oppressors and to remove their influence, he made a sermon which began with prayers for the Muslim and Christian martyrs of the revolution, and in which he demanded that the border crossing with Gaza be opened and the siege broken once and for all.

All this time, the already overwhelming crowd was getting bigger, and had spread throughout downtown. Kids were clambering all over the military tanks at the entrances to the square and in the streets beyond. There were marches, some carrying huge Egyptian flags horizontally over the marchers' heads, calling for the removal of the government and of the vestiges of the old regime. Many of the signs and chants were funny, but the underlying message was dead serious.

At around 3:30, I decided it was time to start heading home; I didn't want to drive back in the dark and I still had a long way to go. The bridges leading towards Tahrir Square were rivers filled with people steadily flowing towards the sea of humanity spreading across the city center. The walk back took ages -- I had forgotten that I was still wearing a sign around my neck with the pictures of the martyrs and even after we'd left Tahrir far behind, people kept stopping me and starting conversations. In some streets, there were volunteers sweeping the streets and others painting and beautifying them. There was an amazing feeling of solidarity in the air, all the way back to Giza. There was also a rock-solid sense of determination. With every step I took, I became more confident than ever that this revolution is only just starting.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:09 pm

^ ^ Alice, thank you.

:yay

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:36 pm

vanlose kid wrote:^ ^ Alice, thank you.

:yay

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Seconded. That was quite moving.

You know what I love about this revolution (apart from everything else) - the way people clean the place, look after it, take care of it. We have an astro turfed version - Clean up Australia day - but its usually only a few people (often indigenous people) who seem to take that attitude everywhere all the time.

If you ever wanted a sign that people care about the place and what they are doing that is it.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Nordic » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:21 pm

vanlose kid wrote:^ ^ Alice, thank you.

:yay

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby barracuda » Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:38 am

I'm so glad you made it there, Alice. I couldn't imagine there would be anything that could keep you away for too long.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:42 am

Yeah, look at that:



And that was AFTER the military communique telling people not to demonstrate...

In other news: Al Jazeera Arabic and other Al Jazeera stations (like Al Jazeera Direct) have been jammed, as have the Hizbullah-affiliated Al Manar and the independent Lebanese Al Jadeed (NewTV) satellite stations, presumably not only in Egypt. There is no word yet as to who's responsible. Internet is really, really slow, but I don't know if that's related.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Jeff » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:44 am

From FB:

We are all Khaled Said wrote:There is a convoy leaving Cairo today at 4 pm and heading to Libya. The convoy carries medical supplies and essentials to our brothers & sisters in Libya. It is currently gathering at Rabi'a Aladaweya mosque in Nasr City. If anyone want to help please call: 0109999208 or from Outside Egypt: +20109999208.


And thanks so much for the report, Alice.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Plutonia » Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:27 pm

Nordic wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:^ ^ Alice, thank you.

:yay

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Plutonia » Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:33 pm

Jeff wrote:From FB:

We are all Khaled Said wrote:There is a convoy leaving Cairo today at 4 pm and heading to Libya. The convoy carries medical supplies and essentials to our brothers & sisters in Libya. It is currently gathering at Rabi'a Aladaweya mosque in Nasr City. If anyone want to help please call: 0109999208 or from Outside Egypt: +20109999208.


And thanks so much for the report, Alice.


That's awesome. I've been seeing tweets that Libya needs blood donations urgently:


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby barracuda » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:12 pm

Libya is suspected of jamming the Al Jazeera signal

DOHA, Feb 20 (Reuters) - Al Jazeera's signal across the Middle East and North Africa was plagued by jamming on Sunday, the Arab satellite broadcaster said, and Lebanon said the electronic interference was coming from Libya.

Al Jazeera, whose coverage of the regional political unrest has been widely watched in the Arab world, first reported jamming on Friday and said its website had been blocked in Libya.

"We believe that whoever is doing this is operating with sophisticated and large equipment," an Al Jazeera spokesman said in a statement.

In Beirut, Lebanese Telecommunications Minister Charbel Nahhas said the jamming "originated from Libyan territory" and it was also affecting Lebanese channels.

"They (Libyans) see what these televisions carry about what is happening in their country and they jam the transmission points ... so Al Jazeera is affected and we are affected too," Nahhas told Reuters.

There was no immediate response from Libya, where tens of thousands gathered in the city of Benghazi on Sunday for funerals of protesters killed by security forces as Human Rights Watch said overnight violence had doubled the death toll from four days of clashes to 173.

"We ... are investigating the source of the problem, though cooperation would be needed from governments to precisely determine this," the Al Jazeera spokesman said, adding that alternative frequencies were offered to viewers.

The jamming was being caused by large installations capable of simultaneously interfering with several frequencies on the Arabsat and Nilesat satellites that carry the Qatar-based news channel's signal, it said.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby anothershamus » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:49 am

Qaddafi's son was super smarmy on Al Jazeera and I am thinking that it's not looking well for Libya! They killed too many protesters today, (around 200), and He was blaming the protesters as drug users and such. Change to come to Libya soon!
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 2012 Countdown » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:08 am

anothershamus wrote:Qaddafi's son was super smarmy on Al Jazeera and I am thinking that it's not looking well for Libya! They killed too many protesters today, (around 200), and He was blaming the protesters as drug users and such. Change to come to Libya soon!


I'm reading its full on open killing. Massive crackdown and hundreds killed tonight..

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:24 am

anothershamus wrote:Qaddafi's son was super smarmy on Al Jazeera and I am thinking that it's not looking well for Libya! They killed too many protesters today, (around 200), and He was blaming the protesters as drug users and such. Change to come to Libya soon!



Sadly however, all the latest reports make it seem like the thing is descending into a civil war. The good thing is portions of the military have defected to the anti government opposition. Bad thing is, the lid is off. There's no rubber bullets or tear gas...but full on sniper teams, automatic weapons, anti tank missiles. They'll probably be using tank rounds soon. Portions of the protesters, who have taken over bases and seized a shit ton of weapons, seem intent on going all the way with this thing.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:29 am

anothershamus wrote:Qaddafi's son was super smarmy on Al Jazeera and I am thinking that it's not looking well for Libya! They killed too many protesters today, (around 200), and He was blaming the protesters as drug users and such. Change to come to Libya soon!


Much of the Libyan army and the police has defected to the people and is leading the armed resistance against the regime. Al Jazeera (which is back) reported last night that Qaddafi is using heavily-armed foreign mercenary troops to crush the Libyan uprising. Libya sits on top of some of the richest oil fields on earth, enough to make every Libyan man, woman and child a millionaire several times over, yet one-fifth of its population lives below the poverty line. 60% of its labor force is employed by the government, at salaries that have remained fixed for years while the cost of living has increased dramatically, so that the middle-class has been sinking inexorably into poverty. Meanwhile, a small group of obscenely-rich "businessmen" linked to the regime (and to the West) has hogged the lion's share of the country's wealth.

Furthermore, Qaddafi is probably certifiably barking mad and has been for years. He is not too crazy to know, however, that should he be deposed no country on earth will take him in, so for him this is a fight to the death between him and the Libyan people, literally.

Similarly, in Bahrain, a large convoy of Saudi tanks was witnessed entering the country to assist the regime just before the massacre in Lo'lo'a (Pearl) Square. The vast majority of Bahraini citizens are Shi'ite, but the country is ruled by a Sunni monarchy and discriminates against the Shi'ites in favor of a small, privileged Sunni elite which includes the top military leadership. Much of the Bahraini military's rank and file are foreign mercenaries.

The people of Bahrain face a formidable challenge, perhaps even bigger and scarier than that faced by the Libyans: the regime in Bahrain is considered crucial to the "security" not only of Saudi Arabia and the other monarchies of the GCC, but to those of the United States and European countries including the UK.
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