OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

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Postby 8bitagent » Tue May 03, 2011 4:24 pm

2012 Countdown wrote:I am listening to the AJ podcast from yesterday. The first hour so far. Interesting info, but as it is always the case w/Jones, proceed with caution:

Inside Sources: Bin Laden’s Corpse Has Been On Ice For Nearly a Decade
A multitude of respected intelligence officials and heads of state have both publicly and privately asserted that Osama has been dead for years

http://www.prisonplanet.com/inside-sour ... ecade.html



I'm not buying it. As I speculated years ago bin Laden was probably in an ISI safehouse. The globalists aren't stupid. They'll show the brain splattered pictures and videos in the next few days right when the public has begun to lose interest. Or they will hold off and let the conspiracy flame..but the elites needed their big may day death ritual.

AlicetheKurious wrote:Interesting: the Sheikh al-Azhar, who is the highest religious authority in Egypt and for Sunni Muslims worldwide, was asked for his statement re the killing of Osama bin Laden. He answered tersely, saying that disposing of his body at sea violates all Islamic precepts and values, according to which the dead must be buried in the earth.

In another statement, Essam al-Arian, the official spokesman for the Muslim Brotherhood, agreed and called the burial at sea "a crime". He added that the Muslim Brotherhood does not consider assassination of accused criminals, especially when civilians are also killed, to be an acceptable substitute for arrest and a fair trial.



It's almost like the US wanted to inflame the Muslim world. They said there was an "Arabic" speaker but not a Muslim at the rite.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby NeonLX » Tue May 03, 2011 4:25 pm

justdrew wrote:just an FYI - I'm done with this subject. it's irrelevant. the details, the stories, the contradictions, the lies, all utterly meaningless.


MOST people are completely controlled by the media, nothing we can do will change that, or give us any degree of control over said media. no independent media will ever be allowed to truly compete. It's over, there's no point in pretending there's still a fight here. anyone inconvenient will simply be killed. it's pointless. The population is lead around by the nose via their neurotypes and all of society is ever geared to turn babies into little growing authoritarians. I'm walking away from this. hope for humanity is dead. not OBL.


{SIGH} You're right. Goddamit, you're right. For so many decades now, I've been wondering why I bother to pay attention & get my guts all wrung out by all of it. Maybe it is time for me to finally say fvck it--it really is pointless. Well, actually, it's probably long past that time.

But there is still a very very small glimmer of optimism left deep down inside of my dim old soul that thinks maybe...just maybe, "the truth" will actually spill out and there will be sudden enlightment and people will really & truly Get It.

Nah, I've had my hopes dashed routinely and repeatedly for far too long. Fvck it.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby 8bitagent » Tue May 03, 2011 4:36 pm

justdrew wrote:just an FYI - I'm done with this subject. it's irrelevant. the details, the stories, the contradictions, the lies, all utterly meaningless.


MOST people are completely controlled by the media, nothing we can do will change that, or give us any degree of control over said media. no independent media will ever be allowed to truly compete. It's over, there's no point in pretending there's still a fight here. anyone inconvenient will simply be killed. it's pointless. The population is lead around by the nose via their neurotypes and all of society is ever geared to turn babies into little growing authoritarians. I'm walking away from this. hope for humanity is dead. not OBL.



Now all we need to do is sit back and watch the mushroom clouds, get out our flags and seig heil our glorious coming 2012...the "magical negro" president will save us, as he does in every apocalyptic movie.
This has been done to shut up any form of dissent, questioning, etc. We're heading into end game, big time by next year or sooner.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby elfismiles » Tue May 03, 2011 4:37 pm

I noticed that one at LiveLeak.com as well:

WARNING: GRAPHIC
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=54f_1304387423

Bruce Dazzling wrote:
tru3magic wrote:CONTENT WARNING! GRAPHIC IMAGE:

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4200/wantr.jpg

this is the supposed photo


Where did you get this?
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby justdrew » Tue May 03, 2011 4:41 pm

NeonLX wrote:
justdrew wrote:just an FYI - I'm done with this subject. it's irrelevant. the details, the stories, the contradictions, the lies, all utterly meaningless.


MOST people are completely controlled by the media, nothing we can do will change that, or give us any degree of control over said media. no independent media will ever be allowed to truly compete. It's over, there's no point in pretending there's still a fight here. anyone inconvenient will simply be killed. it's pointless. The population is lead around by the nose via their neurotypes and all of society is ever geared to turn babies into little growing authoritarians. I'm walking away from this. hope for humanity is dead. not OBL.


{SIGH} You're right. Goddamit, you're right. For so many decades now, I've been wondering why I bother to pay attention & get my guts all wrung out by all of it. Maybe it is time for me to finally say fvck it--it really is pointless. Well, actually, it's probably long past that time.

But there is still a very very small glimmer of optimism left deep down inside of my dim old soul that thinks maybe...just maybe, "the truth" will actually spill out and there will be sudden enlightment and people will really & truly Get It.

Nah, I've had my hopes dashed routinely and repeatedly for far too long. Fvck it.


well, that might happen. by some sort of quantum accident. certainly not by anything anyone's been doing for the last 60+ years. It's ridiculous and I'm finding something else to do for what's left. Sure, some people can have some minor impact, dedicate their entire lives and get the flavor of the lube changed, but that's about it.
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby Nordic » Tue May 03, 2011 4:43 pm

elfismiles wrote:I noticed that one at LiveLeak.com as well:

WARNING: GRAPHIC
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=54f_1304387423

Bruce Dazzling wrote:
tru3magic wrote:CONTENT WARNING! GRAPHIC IMAGE:

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4200/wantr.jpg

this is the supposed photo


Where did you get this?



Weird. Those are two different photos. In fact, the Liveleak one looks like it was possibly the one used to photoshop OBL's features into. It looks far more real than the OBL one, and is obviously of someone else.

Either way, they're fakes.

We're living in such weird times, it won't matter if they release a real photo or not, we can't believe anything we see these days.

Hell, anybody remember "Blood Simple"?
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Postby JackRiddler » Tue May 03, 2011 4:52 pm

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I'm way past hopelessness. I have been for years, and as an agent for change, I'm as dysfunctional as it gets. Which is to say, non-functional, I fucking write utopias and manifestoes on message boards, a dozen people read them and they slide off into dead storage a few days later. Thus the following is not personal advice from a successful human, or astonishing insight from one who has experienced all that is worst and most sublime and thus "knows." It is the kind of general view that I've come to find comfort in, if not a personal direction: Obviously everything's fucked beyond repair. It is fucked to a degree that scientists call "overdetermined." But at heart I'm a social gambler and rather than be certain, I prefer to assess odds and accept that there are intangibles and unknowables and potentially reversible dynamics. Furthermore, history is really fucking long, all empires end, all tyrannies end, all lies eventually lose their power even if they are not exposed, all injustices die even if they are not avenged, wisdoms also accumulate, even the dumbest among us run into their moments of truth (and horror), and while progress is hardly linear or assured, there have been varieties of it. Pick a dark age, any dark age. Do you despair that it lasted X hundred years? Do you rend your hair at the blind persistence of its underlying stupidities? No, obviously, because you weren't alive in any dark age but one. Those other dark ages, you may find that they make for great fucking reading, or a fine hour of TV, and later tonight I'll be watching an episode of "The Borgias" and eat it up like ice cream with a few chunks of sour fact. But there is one dark age in which we all happen to be alive and getting older. It will end, probably not in your lifetime. It will end, and be followed by something else, something better, something worse. In the long run, not only are we the readers of these words all dead, but then the sun expands to engulf this planet, and then shrinks and goes brown for a few billion years more (assuming no galactic collisions). The humans die, probably a long time before that. If there are humans spread around the galaxy or beyond, these things too will end and the humans or their post-human sentiences will also die. Finally, don't let the fact that you keep getting older and seeing shit, and just-maybe getting wiser but also more helpless at the same time, and feeling fewer possibilities, blind you to the spontaneous generation of particles out of virtual pairs, the perpetual arrival of youth. It lives.

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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Tue May 03, 2011 4:56 pm

Thanks for the effort, Jack. Your words do put things into perspective.
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And at the same time,
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Re: OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

Postby tru3magic » Tue May 03, 2011 4:58 pm

Nordic wrote:
elfismiles wrote:I noticed that one at LiveLeak.com as well:

WARNING: GRAPHIC
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=54f_1304387423

Bruce Dazzling wrote:
tru3magic wrote:CONTENT WARNING! GRAPHIC IMAGE:

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4200/wantr.jpg

this is the supposed photo


Where did you get this?



Weird. Those are two different photos. In fact, the Liveleak one looks like it was possibly the one used to photoshop OBL's features into. It looks far more real than the OBL one, and is obviously of someone else.

Either way, they're fakes.

We're living in such weird times, it won't matter if they release a real photo or not, we can't believe anything we see these days.

Hell, anybody remember "Blood Simple"?


That was the first thing I noticed between these two photos, different people in both of em. good eye.
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Postby eyeno » Tue May 03, 2011 5:30 pm

I just noticed something eerie about those two pics of OBL above this post. The wounds on his forehead look just like a pair of devil or goat horns, and the burlap bag behind his head looks like a halo.
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Postby Forgetting2 » Tue May 03, 2011 5:46 pm

JackRiddler wrote:.

... I fucking write utopias and manifestoes on message boards, a dozen people read them and they slide off into dead storage a few days later.

...the spontaneous generation of particles out of virtual pairs, the perpetual arrival of youth. It lives.

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I've saved a number of your posts and sent them on the friends.

Rock on!
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Postby JackRiddler » Tue May 03, 2011 6:14 pm

Thanks so much for the kind words. In a weird way, I do feed off them.

Here's my all-time dud post today on DU, in response to the idea that the OBL Death Ritual was the kind of history where you'll always remember where you were? (Where was I? Um, watching TV or on the Internet, I guess.) Believe it or not, knowing DU, where many people bought right into WMD and Jessica Lynch rescue and the like and called the initial questioning paranoid, in a few weeks it's likely many of them will be ready for revisionism in this instant history... all that being said, without further ado...

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Major historic developments and events of the last 10 years...

Rough chronology of events from a very US-centered perspective:

(The 2000 election coup is now older than 10 years; the Bush tax cuts with their enormous impact on economy and the budget, and their creation of a far greater inequality in society, are about 10 years old.)

September 11th, anthrax, and the transformation of US government and society into a quasi-psychotic "homeland" in the aftermath.

The resulting global terror war and the invasion of Afghanistan.

Enron and the other corporate crashes that revealed the true, routine nature of plunder capitalism, with little consequence (instead they found a new bubble to inflate).

The failed US-backed coup in Venezuela and the Argentinean uprising against the IMF, key moments in the South American spring along with the election of Lula in Brazil.

The invasion of Iraq, then the insurgency and the decision to foment a sectarian massacre as the means of "winning."

The US-engineered coup to oust Aristide.

The "reelection" of the Bush regime.

The 2004 tsunami.

Recent IEA acknowledgement that extraction of the easy oil reserves peaked already in 2005 (and no one noticed).

Katrina and the aftermath in New Orleans.

The 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war.

The crash of the capitalist system in 2007-2009, the 2008 banksters' coup.

The election of Obama, the new administration's decision not to reverse the Bush "achievements," the right wing reaction (and absence of the left from protest), the escalation in Afghanistan.

The various uprisings against the neoliberal system since 2009, and sure to continue. The Iceland referendums against the IMF.

The Haiti earthquake.

The BP oil disaster in the Gulf (itself about equivalent to the Niger Delta spills). This should have been considered as big as Pearl Harbor as a reason to mobilize national resources to confront the threat (in this case, of the way we extract and consume energy).

The big Wikileaks releases starting last year.

The Arab spring and the Egyptian revolution.

The Japanese earthquake and tsunami and the Fukushima disaster. Another "Pearl Harbor" level event that should have mobilized an immediate world mobilization to begin a complete conversion in the way energy is made and used over the next 20 to 30 years.

The NATO intervention in Libya.

I didn't know where to fit in the rise of the BRICS and SCO since these aren't as easy (for me) to pin to specific discrete events.

EDIT: And talk about my American provincialism! What about the Congo war, the most costly of all? South Sudan and Darfur, all the African crises, the opening of the Three Rivers Dam?

In a hundred years, it's very likely all they'll be talking about will be our utter blindness to the ecological disasters, deforestation, poisoning the ocean, global warming; the failure of the US-led system to rein in warfare and predatory capitalism; and presumably the end of the US empire and the rise of other nations such as China. Also, the technological and media changes, above all the Internet. Do you really think a Space Shuttle crash means anything to a historian, compared to that?

Compared to the big history, the announced killing of OBL (even if it all happened as described) is in the same league of other feel-good propaganda operations like the Jessica Lynch "rescue," the phony Saddam statue toppling or the fake finding of Saddam in the "spider hole." In three months, most of you will barely remember it.

If it were actually a blow against "terrorism" however defined it would mean something, but it's just the cathartic destruction of a hated symbol, with very little effect on anything else that will happen.

Just to go with the same set of 24-48 hours, the Canadian election is likely to turn out to be several hundred times more significant.

In fact, the OBL event is only about 10 or 20 times more important as a historic event than the UK royal wedding. Or a Superbowl, which is kind of what it feels like.

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Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Tue May 03, 2011 6:26 pm

justdrew wrote:just an FYI - I'm done with this subject. it's irrelevant. the details, the stories, the contradictions, the lies, all utterly meaningless.


MOST people are completely controlled by the media, nothing we can do will change that, or give us any degree of control over said media. no independent media will ever be allowed to truly compete. It's over, there's no point in pretending there's still a fight here. anyone inconvenient will simply be killed. it's pointless. The population is lead around by the nose via their neurotypes and all of society is ever geared to turn babies into little growing authoritarians. I'm walking away from this. hope for humanity is dead. not OBL.


BOOORRING. YOU ARE SO BOOOORRRRING. BEING HOPELESS IS BOOOORRRRING. HAVING HOPE IS BOOOOORRRRRING

MOST people are completely controlled by the media


Yeah but that's why they're so much fun to wind up :yay

So what you going to do? You're going to die anyway and so are all your loved ones, maybe in front of you in horrible ways. OR MAYBE NOT. So what are you worried about? Fight, fuck, love, laugh, be happy, be sad, try and change things for the better or run away and live in a shack. Whatever. LIVE YOUR LIFE cos we're all doomed. DOOMED I TELL YE!!
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Postby JackRiddler » Tue May 03, 2011 6:27 pm

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Heh. Now they're saying "KSM" was the one who gave the info that let them pick up the trail to "OBL." What a storehouse of valuable information and evil plots he proved to be!

Come on people, you gotta see some black comedy in all this. The radio woke me up yesterday with "shot in the head, burial at sea." Burial at sea! I couldn't stop laughing. Am I bad person? And I mean, laughing: not nervous defensiveness, not denial of nothing (given that we're kept so clueless about what really goes on in that black-box deep state that I wouldn't even know what the fuck I'm denying). Maybe a touch of Comedian cruelty, okay. (Watchmen reference.) But mostly just hilarity. Do I suffer from confirmation bias? "Burial at sea" is like someone intentionally aimed a laugh-bomb right at mine. And now they tell me "KSM" gave them the means to find Bin Ladin, eight years since he was moved to Guantanamo. That is fucking funny stuff.

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Postby JackRiddler » Tue May 03, 2011 6:28 pm

Here we go: next up on WBAI at 6:30, Robert Knight (who does some pretty good reporting) is going to have an OBL skepticism show, but, I have to say unfortunately, with... Michael Rivero?! That will be a different kind of funny, I'm afraid.
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