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82_28 wrote:They're muddying the "truth waters". Fox has a reputation that precedes it and thus they are now free, for the time being, to look objective/while at the same time take the tack of the "kooks" who believe that "9/11 was an inside job". Fox knows that their claim to fame is political buffoonery and sports. They are taking this, probably via orders from "central casting" and helping to draw the dog off the scent with so much chaff and "political" infighting with just the "FOX" name alone. This shit on FOX is meant for us and the idiot right.
I would never trust a word any corporate media outlet told me period, period. They think all of us lap this shit up with the news cycles they present, when in truth the mighty wurlitzer has cycles beyond and within the cycles that are immediately present for the "ordinary" viewer. This simple act of thinking for yourself and sharing with others may soon become illegal.
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Not to say that social media etc doesn't have a place in the betterment of our condition, it does. But the full on disclosure and distaste, distrust of the media as it is handed to us, could become illegal and either be an enforcible offense or algorithmically edited out. You never know!
Nordic wrote:What are you talking about? Fox is a propaganda outfit. At least the "news" division.
It is a bit mystifying why they would ever "go there".
Unless they're ultimately going to blame the gays or the liberals or something.
TERROR WALKS AMONG US. Born here, raised here, plotting here, the terrorists of al Qaeda 2.0 aim to kill Americans. And our government helps.
Who are the recruits for the next wave? They live next door.
A radicalized army major guns down forty-five, killing twelve soldiers and one civilian; an airport shuttle-bus driver plots a subway slaughter; a legal immigrant tries to blow up Times Square while another fanatic hopes to kill hundreds at a Christmas tree–lighting ceremony . . . and a radical Muslim born in New Mexico has a legion of fanatics in his web. The Next Wave reveals the shocking story of how that blood-crazed American, Anwar al-Awlaki—now hiding in Yemen—was treated to Pentagon pomp as a “moderate Muslim,” and how our Justice Department hid his movements from the 9/11 Commission . . . even though al-Awlaki aided the 9/11 hijackers.
The terrorists next door turn our tech against us, exploiting Facebook, Skype, and our outdated laws. Online terror recruiters are one of the Web’s greatest success stories—yet our government refuses to stop them. Activists howl about “inhuman” conditions at Guantánamo—while pampered inmates laugh at our weaknesses. The next wave of deadly terror is here and now. Washington shuts its eyes. And the next massacre in the name of Islam will be “Made in the U.S.A.”
Catherine Herridge is a national correspondent for FOX News covering homeland security, the Department of Justice and the intelligence community.
Bio
8bitagent wrote:82_28 wrote:They're muddying the "truth waters". Fox has a reputation that precedes it and thus they are now free, for the time being, to look objective/while at the same time take the tack of the "kooks" who believe that "9/11 was an inside job". Fox knows that their claim to fame is political buffoonery and sports. They are taking this, probably via orders from "central casting" and helping to draw the dog off the scent with so much chaff and "political" infighting with just the "FOX" name alone. This shit on FOX is meant for us and the idiot right.
I would never trust a word any corporate media outlet told me period, period. They think all of us lap this shit up with the news cycles they present, when in truth the mighty wurlitzer has cycles beyond and within the cycles that are immediately present for the "ordinary" viewer. This simple act of thinking for yourself and sharing with others may soon become illegal.
On edit:
Not to say that social media etc doesn't have a place in the betterment of our condition, it does. But the full on disclosure and distaste, distrust of the media as it is handed to us, could become illegal and either be an enforcible offense or algorithmically edited out. You never know!
Only, virtually everything mentioned on Fox is precisely what Historycommons and other truth research has exhaustively detailed. See, the only thing is they take that and lead to a different conclusion. Like Peter Lance's books, it talks all about 9/11 coverups, secret deep state stuff...but it puts it into an "al qaeda infiltrated our systems/too much inter agency infighting" framework...its the fall behind position for those that think theres a "coverup, but not one of complicity".
But wait a second...if the US is knowingly covering the ass of a guilty country, and then continues to do business with said country, that in itself is a form of complicity. Like if you help protect a friend after he just robbed a bank you work at, profit from the loot...but claim you had no idea of the plot beforehand. See, even a special like this disrupts the official narrative held by most, even if it shores up the "al Qaeda is as big a threat as any". I wrote a thread in 2007 here when I first joined about Anwar Awlaki(or back then, Anwar al-Auluqi), noting he had to be a protected intelligence asset. I had no idea he met in an elite private dining section at the pentagon...why would the Pentagon knowingly release this info? As a steamvalve?
A double bind is an emotionally distressing dilemma in communication in which an individual (or group) receives two or more conflicting messages, in which one message negates the other. This creates a situation in which a successful response to one message results in a failed response to the other (and vice versa), so that the person will be automatically wrong regardless of response. The double bind occurs when the person cannot confront the inherent dilemma, and therefore cannot resolve it or opt out of the situation. For example, if your employer tells you to do a job but doesn't allow enough time for you to do it and you are in danger of losing your job if you question the situation you are in a double bind.
Double bind theory was first described by Gregory Bateson and his colleagues in the 1950s.[1]
Double binds are often utilized as a form of control without open coercion—the use of confusion makes them difficult to respond to or resist.
A double bind generally includes different levels of abstraction in orders of messages, and these messages can be stated or implicit within the context of the situation, or conveyed by tone of voice or body language. Further complications arise when frequent double binds are part of an ongoing relationship to which the person or group is committed.[2][3]
Double bind theory is more clearly understood in the context of complex systems and cybernetics because human communication and also the mind itself function in an interactive manner similar to ecosystems. Complex systems theory helps us understand the interdependence of the parts of a message and provides "an ordering of what to the Newtonian looks like chaos."
freemason9 wrote:Nordic wrote:Love ya anyway, Nordic.
freemason9 wrote:Nordic wrote:What are you talking about? Fox is a propaganda outfit. At least the "news" division.
It is a bit mystifying why they would ever "go there".
Unless they're ultimately going to blame the gays or the liberals or something.
I disagree. I believe Fox engages in propaganda because it is profitable. They "went there" because it drew ratings.
Love ya anyway, Nordic.
Nordic wrote:What are you talking about? Fox is a propaganda outfit. At least the "news" division.
It is a bit mystifying why they would ever "go there".
Unless they're ultimately going to blame the gays or the liberals or something.
thatsmystory wrote:I think this explains the reason for the special:
Product Description for The Next Wave: On the Hunt for Al Qaeda's American Recruits by Catherine Herridge.TERROR WALKS AMONG US. Born here, raised here, plotting here, the terrorists of al Qaeda 2.0 aim to kill Americans. And our government helps.
Who are the recruits for the next wave? They live next door.
A radicalized army major guns down forty-five, killing twelve soldiers and one civilian; an airport shuttle-bus driver plots a subway slaughter; a legal immigrant tries to blow up Times Square while another fanatic hopes to kill hundreds at a Christmas tree–lighting ceremony . . . and a radical Muslim born in New Mexico has a legion of fanatics in his web. The Next Wave reveals the shocking story of how that blood-crazed American, Anwar al-Awlaki—now hiding in Yemen—was treated to Pentagon pomp as a “moderate Muslim,” and how our Justice Department hid his movements from the 9/11 Commission . . . even though al-Awlaki aided the 9/11 hijackers.
The terrorists next door turn our tech against us, exploiting Facebook, Skype, and our outdated laws. Online terror recruiters are one of the Web’s greatest success stories—yet our government refuses to stop them. Activists howl about “inhuman” conditions at Guantánamo—while pampered inmates laugh at our weaknesses. The next wave of deadly terror is here and now. Washington shuts its eyes. And the next massacre in the name of Islam will be “Made in the U.S.A.”Catherine Herridge is a national correspondent for FOX News covering homeland security, the Department of Justice and the intelligence community.
Bio
82_28 wrote:
Are you being facetious? Not saying you are or aren't, but one can never tell. The US is no country, perhaps none are. It is a conglomerate of corporations, mob bosses and charlatans that run the show and they all have their rake. The part we see is media "outreach". They meet in big "rooms". At the end of the day following this shit, it leads us right back where it left us -- which is the point. It's the double-bind.
Again:A double bind is an emotionally distressing dilemma in communication in which an individual (or group) receives two or more conflicting messages, in which one message negates the other. This creates a situation in which a successful response to one message results in a failed response to the other (and vice versa), so that the person will be automatically wrong regardless of response. The double bind occurs when the person cannot confront the inherent dilemma, and therefore cannot resolve it or opt out of the situation. For example, if your employer tells you to do a job but doesn't allow enough time for you to do it and you are in danger of losing your job if you question the situation you are in a double bind.
Double bind theory was first described by Gregory Bateson and his colleagues in the 1950s.[1]
Double binds are often utilized as a form of control without open coercion—the use of confusion makes them difficult to respond to or resist.
A double bind generally includes different levels of abstraction in orders of messages, and these messages can be stated or implicit within the context of the situation, or conveyed by tone of voice or body language. Further complications arise when frequent double binds are part of an ongoing relationship to which the person or group is committed.[2][3]
Double bind theory is more clearly understood in the context of complex systems and cybernetics because human communication and also the mind itself function in an interactive manner similar to ecosystems. Complex systems theory helps us understand the interdependence of the parts of a message and provides "an ordering of what to the Newtonian looks like chaos."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind
thatsmystory wrote:I think this explains the reason for the special:
Product Description for The Next Wave: On the Hunt for Al Qaeda's American Recruits by Catherine Herridge.TERROR WALKS AMONG US. Born here, raised here, plotting here, the terrorists of al Qaeda 2.0 aim to kill Americans. And our government helps.
Who are the recruits for the next wave? They live next door.
A radicalized army major guns down forty-five, killing twelve soldiers and one civilian; an airport shuttle-bus driver plots a subway slaughter; a legal immigrant tries to blow up Times Square while another fanatic hopes to kill hundreds at a Christmas tree–lighting ceremony . . . and a radical Muslim born in New Mexico has a legion of fanatics in his web. The Next Wave reveals the shocking story of how that blood-crazed American, Anwar al-Awlaki—now hiding in Yemen—was treated to Pentagon pomp as a “moderate Muslim,” and how our Justice Department hid his movements from the 9/11 Commission . . . even though al-Awlaki aided the 9/11 hijackers.
The terrorists next door turn our tech against us, exploiting Facebook, Skype, and our outdated laws. Online terror recruiters are one of the Web’s greatest success stories—yet our government refuses to stop them. Activists howl about “inhuman” conditions at Guantánamo—while pampered inmates laugh at our weaknesses. The next wave of deadly terror is here and now. Washington shuts its eyes. And the next massacre in the name of Islam will be “Made in the U.S.A.”Catherine Herridge is a national correspondent for FOX News covering homeland security, the Department of Justice and the intelligence community.
Bio
Nordic wrote:
Wow. Now that's some:
The Fox News "base" of viewers froths at the mouth over that stuff!
And wasn't it interesting how the whole Osama thing made him out to be "the terrorist next door"? Even having the CIA living right next to him for monoths without knowing who he was! Just a "suspicious" fellow!
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