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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby operator kos » Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:09 pm

parel-

Accusing the posters on this board of being war-mongering Imperialist scum is laughable and also hardly constructive. Nobody here is calling for stormtroopers to go out and imprison either voluntary sex workers or victims/survivors of human trafficking. We're not evil people because some of us have been critical of your friend's essay. I think 8bitagent's posts at the top of page 2 touch upon some of the deeper issues at play, and also provide some excellent references. I would encourage you to look over what he said as I couldn't put it much better myself.
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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:58 pm

I respect all views on here, because there's so many different ways of viewing things...after all we are bombarded with a thousand shards of competing truths, hard to filter out the noise.
We were told all the horror in the Balkans was orchestrated by Serbs, and while the Serb army and militias were attached to a lot of it...there were a few cases where Pentagon/MPRI funded al Qaeda proxies
and opposition groups were caught being behind some of the massacres(throughout Bosnia, Macedonia, etc) As well as later the KLA/NLA. Not quite a black and white issue, but certainly there are those that want to play up certain parts. It's hard as people of an activist/parapolitical stripe, because often the very war crimes and oppression being committed by a nation state are those used by the Western propaganda machine to play populace emotion into going along for war(such as Saddam gassing his own people, or the Taliban attacking women...tho in most cases, they all seem to be former or current clients of the West, like Libya)

However, in the last ten years, I honestly cannot recall any White House press release or government meme pushed to entice sympathy for attacking a country or launching some sort of new covert action.
All the reports of Kosovo, Albanian and Bosnian pedo routes seem to be after NATO got in there and the public has long forgotten or cared.

Has the US ever sent teams of spec ops SEALS like commandos to go after pedo networks, like they do with so called terrorism and drug traffickers? (Then again in Mexico, the US seems to largely be ignoring the chaos going on with the school of americas trained Zetas)

In a larger sense it seems like terrorism, drugs, human trafficking, etc seems to be an important tentacle of the very fascist imperialist machine rather than something they are somehow genuinely for fighting.
I posted links to Western elites involved in some aspects of the pedo networks, but imperialist and large financial institution involvement in both terrorism and worldwide drug trafficking is also well established. I am almost militantly anti war, anti Western power and pro LGBT rights worldwide...though on that subject, one has to also hate the very governments touted in poor LGBT rights reports(Iran, Jamaica, Uganda, Senegal, Saudi Arabia, etc) where gay people seem to be routinely rounded up, killed and tortured.
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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:00 pm

If you're trying to kick up fear there's no actual reason to prosecute anyone.
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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:09 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:If you're trying to kick up fear there's no actual reason to prosecute anyone.


Completely understand that notion. I just don't see anyone really caring about the phenomenon, least on a public conscious scale. It seems an abstract to most, unlike the "al Qaeda gonna hit us anytime from anywhere" meme
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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby Project Willow » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:15 pm

parel wrote:Project Willow, you can just back off. I don't abide imperialists of any stripe. Don't visit your fucking white privilege on me again. She's not my friend, but I would happily take her over you. Misogynist. Same goes for the other Imperialist scum in this thread. So indoctrinated into the rhetoric and immersed in State violence, you just accept anything they offer. Stefano excepted.


Woah, I just caught this. Read up: I was born into slavery. My parents sold me into a medical and behavioral experimentation program when was I was 3 years old. I spent over 40 years of my life as a sexual and mental slave. Don't you ever fucking preach to me about my goddamn privileges.
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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby Laodicean » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:44 pm

8bitagent wrote:
The imperialist powers LOVE slavery, look how Haliburton KBR and Dyncorp(caught once again running child kidnapping in Afghanistan just a few years ago) tried desperately to stop a ban on human slavery in 2005.

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Dyncorp and United Nations fought hard to coverup deep involvement in underage sex slavery in Bosnia during the late 1990's
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature ... index.html


Interesting to note that DynCorp did have plans to build and operate a private airport in Akwa Ibom, Nigeria back in 2005. Construction began that year. (Source). In 2008 they just inexplicably stopped the project:

Akwa Ibom State decided to construct a first crass (sic) International and State-of-the Art Category II Airport in Uyo, including a Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul (MRO) facility for Nigeria, regional and international aircraft, the first of its kind in West Africa. The MRO facility will be a tremendous asset to civil aviation in Nigeria.

Upon its completion, the Airport will position Akwa Ibom State at the forefront of the growing International trade and· commerce between West Africa and the Middle East, China, Europe and the United States. A feasibility study commissioned by the State confirmed the economic viability of the project, including the probable use of the MRO facility by the Nigeria Air Force.

In order to implement the Project, the State retained the services of DynCorp International LLC, a US based company, to serve as prime contractor for the construction and completion of the Airport. DynCorp was selected in large part because of its assurances that it had the expertise to carry out the Project and its experience in performing A, B, C and D checks for medium-sized and large aircrafts. It was also envisioned that DynCorp would invest in and ultimately serve as the operator of the MRO facility once it was completed. DynCorp hired Nigeria-based subcontractors to perform the civil works and to assist DynCorp in carrying out the work. Construction of the Project commenced in late 2005.

However, in late June of this year, DynCorp abruptly abandoned the Project and subsequently informed the State of its termination of the contract for the construction of the Airport and MRO facility. The State is shocked and dismayed at DynCorp's behaviour and it is analyzing the circumstances behind DynCorp's unexpected departure from Akwa Ibom State.


http://www.aksgonline.com/articlePage.aspx?qrID=289

Can't find any follow up since then.
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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby cptmarginal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:22 pm

wintler2 wrote:
blanc wrote:Where is the hysteria over human trafficking or the panic over organised child abuse please? I somehow have missed it.


If i understand Parel, it is within the article at the start of this thread and others of its type, rather than say an everpresent phenomena in current mainstream media.


It always seemed to me that the mainstream media's very real attempts to cause hysteria over individual missing children are meant to deflect attention away from organized kidnapping. Sort of the "lone pervert" theory, if you will.

Seriously, if they care SO MUCH about these individual missing kids that is a big TV news event when one disappears, what possible justification is there for the networks not FREAKING OUT all the way when stuff like this happens:

Texas daycare groomed kids for sex parties

Buckingham Palace butler 'ran paedophile sex ring while working for the Royal Family'

Instead you hear practically nothing about it. If one missing kid can apparently be milked for good ratings and emotional manipulation, then just think what you could get from running with one of those stories! Is there some sort of policy in place preventing that from happening? Maybe they just don't want to deviate from the formula. Giving people one kid's name and picture to focus on can be a powerful technique.

I have no doubt that the claims of fighting some kind of international "war on human trafficking" which you occassionally see in newspapers are trumped up and misleading. It's about as successful a campaign as the "war on organized crime". It's a shadow war, one that governments are intimately wrapped up in.

The press gives a bunch of horrible stats whenever they do an article on the topic, but not much info about any real successes in stemming the massive flow. It seems like the real people who are passionately involved in fighting human trafficking recognize that they are barely putting the tiniest little dent in the trade.
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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:18 pm

Laodicean wrote:
8bitagent wrote:
The imperialist powers LOVE slavery, look how Haliburton KBR and Dyncorp(caught once again running child kidnapping in Afghanistan just a few years ago) tried desperately to stop a ban on human slavery in 2005.

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Dyncorp and United Nations fought hard to coverup deep involvement in underage sex slavery in Bosnia during the late 1990's
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature ... index.html


Interesting to note that DynCorp did have plans to build and operate a private airport in Akwa Ibom, Nigeria back in 2005. Construction began that year. (Source). In 2008 they just inexplicably stopped the project:

Akwa Ibom State decided to construct a first crass (sic) International and State-of-the Art Category II Airport in Uyo, including a Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul (MRO) facility for Nigeria, regional and international aircraft, the first of its kind in West Africa. The MRO facility will be a tremendous asset to civil aviation in Nigeria.

Upon its completion, the Airport will position Akwa Ibom State at the forefront of the growing International trade and· commerce between West Africa and the Middle East, China, Europe and the United States. A feasibility study commissioned by the State confirmed the economic viability of the project, including the probable use of the MRO facility by the Nigeria Air Force.

In order to implement the Project, the State retained the services of DynCorp International LLC, a US based company, to serve as prime contractor for the construction and completion of the Airport. DynCorp was selected in large part because of its assurances that it had the expertise to carry out the Project and its experience in performing A, B, C and D checks for medium-sized and large aircrafts. It was also envisioned that DynCorp would invest in and ultimately serve as the operator of the MRO facility once it was completed. DynCorp hired Nigeria-based subcontractors to perform the civil works and to assist DynCorp in carrying out the work. Construction of the Project commenced in late 2005.

However, in late June of this year, DynCorp abruptly abandoned the Project and subsequently informed the State of its termination of the contract for the construction of the Airport and MRO facility. The State is shocked and dismayed at DynCorp's behaviour and it is analyzing the circumstances behind DynCorp's unexpected departure from Akwa Ibom State.


http://www.aksgonline.com/articlePage.aspx?qrID=289

Can't find any follow up since then.


Oh just lovely. I can imagine the flights that'd be going back and forth to Kosovo, Thailand and Dubai had that gone down :| :confused
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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:23 pm

cptmarginal wrote:
wintler2 wrote:
blanc wrote:Where is the hysteria over human trafficking or the panic over organised child abuse please? I somehow have missed it.


If i understand Parel, it is within the article at the start of this thread and others of its type, rather than say an everpresent phenomena in current mainstream media.


It always seemed to me that the mainstream media's very real attempts to cause hysteria over individual missing children are meant to deflect attention away from organized kidnapping. Sort of the "lone pervert" theory, if you will.

Seriously, if they care SO MUCH about these individual missing kids that is a big TV news event when one disappears, what possible justification is there for the networks not FREAKING OUT all the way when stuff like this happens:

Texas daycare groomed kids for sex parties

Buckingham Palace butler 'ran paedophile sex ring while working for the Royal Family'

Instead you hear practically nothing about it. If one missing kid can apparently be milked for good ratings and emotional manipulation, then just think what you could get from running with one of those stories! Is there some sort of policy in place preventing that from happening? Maybe they just don't want to deviate from the formula. Giving people one kid's name and picture to focus on can be a powerful technique.


That is a good point. Why is it you have the media going into hyper drive hysteria over when a blonde haired blue eyed girl goes missing(not at all to invalidate the horror and grief that person and their family is going through) yet when a whole ship of these kids is discovered, or a whole network of halloways and mccanes is discovered...its just tumbleweeds and crickets.

Could it be, the situation is so unimaginably horrific and ugly, that for many it's best to just let it be the elephant in the room? You'd think they'd at least pretend to show concern, and send commandos in like they do with alleged drug or terror groups.
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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby operator kos » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:26 pm

8bitagent wrote:Oh just lovely. I can imagine the flights that'd be going back and forth to Kosovo, Thailand and Dubai had that gone down :| :confused


That reminds me, someone who gave a really good nod to this a while ago was the author of that book 'Shell Game'. It was more focused on 9/11 and Peak Oil, but he did slip in there a bit about Saudis using private jets and diplomatic immunity to smuggle kids. I was glad to see it addressed.
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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:30 pm

operator kos wrote:
8bitagent wrote:Oh just lovely. I can imagine the flights that'd be going back and forth to Kosovo, Thailand and Dubai had that gone down :| :confused


That reminds me, someone who gave a really good nod to this a while ago was the author of that book 'Shell Game'. It was more focused on 9/11 and Peak Oil, but he did slip in there a bit about Saudis using private jets and diplomatic immunity to smuggle kids. I was glad to see it addressed.


I had read about that book on 911blogger. It's definitely no secret that "pious" Saudi Arabia and Dubai UAE is home to a lot of underage slavery...people try and make it seem like it's all labor slavery, but I've seen a lot of reports that some of it is in fact underage sex slavery. Dubai and the entire UAE seems to really attract powerful Western elites. Be it Haliburton, Blackwater, etc. I call Dubai the technopolis financial dark heart of the elite. It's no wonder most the money for 9/11 got channeled through their complicit post BCCI banks.
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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby parel » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:58 pm

Alright. I owe everyone an apology for using expletives, for name calling and for my caustic tone in general. Operator Kos, I apologise for calling you an imperialist. But here's the story in my words:

I see a thread with "human trafficking" in the title, I know it's a good bet that I'm about to view WOHT propaganda and that they will try to debase me with violence and graphic depictions of violence and sexual violence. I know that what I am about to view may or may not be fiction. I mean, it is a yahoo article, they post a lot of anti-trafficking stories, as does the mainstream in general. In the same way I would if I saw a "terrorist plot" article in yahoo. With great scepticism.

Upon urging people only to research further and posting an article by a sex worker who had done a two year study, I am immediately set upon by the resident "Disclosure Police". The writer is impugned by Blanc as she ruminates about who is paying the writer (paying the "worker") as though the sex worker movement is funded (which it's not) and the rescue industry is not (which it is). No, ignore the sex worker and let's favour the narrative that has been mediated by US (& UN) policy. On what basis she objects to the writer I am not sure, but make a note that Blanc is probably whorephobic and doesn't like the slant because the writer disclosed she was a sex worker. I take this bias personally - feeling Othered, negated, blanked out and feel further insulted that I am indirectly being accused of trying "silence victims" by posting the piece. Then a passage about how the anti-trafficking movement cherry picks topics to highlight its pet causes is then cherry picked by Blanc to go on to portray an important issue, but also use to accuse me of trying to silence victims (that really hurts). Listening to victims. Sure. The issue is suppressed, needs to highlighted, brought out into the open. Yes, I agree. What I don't agree with, is the war on trafficking and the way its being prosecuted. Willow goes on to reinforce that patriarchal power by invoking an incendiary term like "anti-trafficking", a war term, then comes some story involving people from the rescue industry and the UN. At once, I sense zealotry, we are possibly at an impasse already - and realise I am facing a potential enemy. An anti-trafficker. So yeah, I see red. I don't see why these two have the right to invoke and benefit from the war machine, the bias against sex workers and deep misogyny. invoking the violence that implies and that *I* shouldn't be allowed to use verbal blunt force. When all I was saying was dig deeper, look at the evidence. I was upset that they were taking the patriarchy's word over mine or any woman's.

And I harbour a special ire for anti-trafficking "feminists" because these women have sold us out. Any woman that believes that visiting patriarchal violence on vulnerable women in the name of "rescue" is an enabler of colonial violence and is quite honestly, my sworn enemy. Those women, those "feminists" are not part of any solidarity movement whatsoever. Maybe the sisterhood was a myth. I'm starting to think so. Let's not pretend that this is not a war zone. The terrain is our bodies and the fight is for sovereignty of that terrain. As the article points out, the term "trafficking", an extremely divisive and loaded term, was not part of the discourse ten years ago. This would have been a VERY different conversation ten years ago.

Willow, I am sorry to hear about the intense hardship you suffered as a child. I am holding back on a gesture of solidarity, but hope that you find a space to heal and strengthen. Thank you for using the term "slavery" when bringing this up with me and relating to me as a woman and not an instrument of war. I feel saddened that our natural kinship is separated by imperial violence, but will stay out of your way and wish you well.

Kos, the articles that 82 posted actually illustrate how ineffectual the war on trafficking has been. "Accused, involved, accused". The one I would be inclined to investigate further would be the one from Portugal, about institutional abuse. That is may have used war resources to prosecute might be less important than the fact that it was the tenacity and years of fight by the victims that brought it to fruition. Those in the community. So how many UN personell have been charged since the war started? zero. How many Dyncorp or Halliburton employees? zero. Military employees? zero The war is about rounding up "undesirables" among other things, not rescuing people.

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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:54 am

8bitagent wrote:
Stephen Morgan wrote:If you're trying to kick up fear there's no actual reason to prosecute anyone.


Completely understand that notion. I just don't see anyone really caring about the phenomenon, least on a public conscious scale. It seems an abstract to most, unlike the "al Qaeda gonna hit us anytime from anywhere" meme


Well, it's a bit more niche than the global terror war. More like the hysteria about skunk giving you schizophrenia than the normal drug war propaganda about dead junkies in alleys and gun toting psycho killers.
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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:01 am

Stephen Morgan wrote:
8bitagent wrote:
Stephen Morgan wrote:If you're trying to kick up fear there's no actual reason to prosecute anyone.


Completely understand that notion. I just don't see anyone really caring about the phenomenon, least on a public conscious scale. It seems an abstract to most, unlike the "al Qaeda gonna hit us anytime from anywhere" meme


Well, it's a bit more niche than the global terror war. More like the hysteria about skunk giving you schizophrenia than the normal drug war propaganda about dead junkies in alleys and gun toting psycho killers.



Well my conspiracy beliefs that all these phenomenons derive from similar sources, I guess the good thing is at least there's solutions to the drug issue(decriminalization/patient programs not prisons, etc)

But if talking about this or that horror show going on by a regime or country outside the West=promoting USG propaganda(in the minds of some), I guess true isolationism is the only answer
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Re: worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

Postby cptmarginal » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:14 am

parel wrote:Kos, the articles that 82 posted actually illustrate how ineffectual the war on trafficking has been. "Accused, involved, accused". The one I would be inclined to investigate further would be the one from Portugal, about institutional abuse. That is may have used war resources to prosecute might be less important than the fact that it was the tenacity and years of fight by the victims that brought it to fruition. Those in the community. So how many UN personell have been charged since the war started? zero. How many Dyncorp or Halliburton employees? zero. Military employees? zero The war is about rounding up "undesirables" among other things, not rescuing people.


Yes, I too am pretty skeptical about the role of governments and related NGOs etc. in policing "human trafficking". But those articles 8bitagent posted are just for starters. Reading your posts, sometimes it seems like we're on the same page - but then you lose me again in the next sentence. Are you saying that there's not much of a case to be made regarding the reality of widespread human slavery networks? Or that the details of the cases we hear about can't be trusted?

Well, you said this in your first post:

Sorry, this is the second propaganda piece to be posted on RI in two days - trafficking stories are dubious at best. You might as well be posting "terrorist" updates. It's a war. An Imperial War. And in this vein, I consider anti-trafficking propaganda to be pornography. It is trauma-inducing, largely fictional accounts of horrors being perpetrated on vulnerable people by largely fictional villains. Whenever the term "human trafficking" is invoked, you are no longer dealing with ordinary people telling ordinary stories. It's possible there is some truth in these stories, and possibly some real pain. But the issue belongs to the US State Department. Not ordinary people, and certainly not victims. I urge people to research the war before they take anything on face value with this movement.


I'd say the situation is intertwined with the fight against organized crime, which has become such a hot topic in governmental circles ever since the rise of highly efficient globalized organized crime these past two decades. Not only are these the networks facilitating human trafficking, but when the UN (or whoever) issues alarming statements about either topic it usually amounts to the same thing: "These guys are so sophisticated and entrenched that we haven't got shit on them."

Hence the topic has become the domain of the State Department, you are correct. They're putting on a show of taking it seriously, right? Any stories that show official complicity or some other inconvenient facts hopefully get buried. You get several major busts a year conducted by police in tandem with anti-trafficking task forces in various countries. They rarely release more than the barest specific details about each case, and the vast majority of the time the perpetrators are painted as just civilian criminals. There's plenty of grounds to be suspicious.

But just because you can't trust a lot of that stuff doesn't mean you should assume that Portugal is one of the rare few real cases worth investigating further. I think it's been abundantly shown in various posts on this board that there are a large number of similar cases all over the world involving official complicity. If anything, this is precisely why these high-level task forces exist, and the stories which you seem to be brazenly pushing aside as propaganda are actually the facts which governments most wish to suppress.
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