A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. . .

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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:00 pm

StarmanSkye wrote:"Yeah it seems like the line of progress from JFK has gone backwards...imagine where we'd be had the trajectory kept on going post moon landing?(that was always one of the conspiracy theories that bugged me, given the exhaustive evidence we went to the moon on a number of occasions) ."

Yow 8bitagent -- that sure touches a nerve. Seems the legacy of JFK would have been a more united, peaceful, innovative progress for ALL of humanity, not the awful regressive, oppressive, corporate-militaristic homogenized neoliberal dystopian monopolistic gangster-globalism Police State bureaucracy promoting greed, injustice, exploitation, war and fraud. The republocrat racketeers embody the REAL spirit of scheming duplicity behind the ant-war quip, "Love it or leave it." But its been our traitorous pols and their corporate/MIC/Banking et al clients who have conspired to defraud, shortchange, divert and hijack America to create THEIR version of American Dream for the priveleged elites AND according to the strictist formula of spoils to the Victor.

Community solidarity and regional self-reliance are foreign concepts for the scum who engineered and benefitted from the JFK-coup, who led the nation along the path to Imperial domination and exploitation, keeping developing nations dragging-along instead of achieving great results just so America could reign supreme, rich on lucre and tribute, unchallenged.

I think following JFK's brilliant, humanistic leadership we could & would have made great strides in developing spaceflight for peaceful purposes instead of diverting mega-trillions on war and violence and funding the militarization of space for purely offensive capabilities.

We have gone SO far backwards, its like the human species has regressed, with world events so calamitous there's no easy way to get back on-track.

i wish the warmongers, conmen cheats, corporate pillagers, religious zealots and other fraud republocrat idealists all would have either Loved It or left it, rather than trying to change it to their perverted, corrupted and paranoid-defective version of a securitat/military/mercenary nightmare-utopia. Their legacy is a compounded disaster that may undo us all yet.


Couldn't have articulated it better myself!

That's why they killed him. They had to. They had to kill JFK, the (sorry have to say) even more progressive RFK, MLK, Lennon. They damn sure woulda killed Mcgovern too had he had won.
Lord knows what America woulda looked like under either JFK 2nd term OR RFK. Shoot, MLK's dream may have been realized...
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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:13 am

McGovern bailed because he likely saw the writing on the wall. He knew he would be next to go should he take the mantle of the Kennedy's and at that point it was a play on full spectrum dominance of American politics.

In August 1967, activist Allard K. Lowenstein founded the Dump Johnson movement, and soon they were seeking a Democratic Party figure to make a primaries campaign challenge against Johnson in the 1968 presidential election.[107] Their first choice was Senator Robert Kennedy, who declined, as did another, and by late September 1967 they approached McGovern.[35][107] After much deliberation McGovern declined, largely because he feared such a run would significantly damage his own chances for reelection to his Senate seat in 1968.[8][108] A month later the anti-Johnson forces were able to convince Senator Eugene McCarthy to run,[107] who was one of the few "dove" senators not up for reelection that year.[108]

The 1968 Democratic primaries unfolded with McCarthy staging a strong showing and Robert Kennedy entering, followed by Johnson withdrawing and Vice President Humphrey running instead. While McGovern favored Kennedy privately, McCarthy and Humphrey were from a neighboring state and publicly McGovern remained neutral throughout.[109] McGovern hosted all three as they campaigned for the June 4 South Dakota Democratic primary, which resulted in a strong win by Kennedy to go along with his win in the crucial California primary that night.[109] McGovern spoke with Kennedy by phone minutes before Kennedy was assassinated in Los Angeles.[109] The death of Bobby Kennedy left McGovern the most emotionally distraught he had ever been to this point in his life.[109]

Within days, some of Kennedy's aides were urging McGovern to run in his place; their antipathy towards McCarthy and ideological opposition to Humphrey made them unwilling to support either candidate.[110] McGovern delayed making a decision, making sure that Ted Kennedy did not want to enter, and with his staff still concerned about the senator's own reelection prospects.[110] Indeed McGovern's voting had changed during 1968, with his ADA rating falling to 43 as he sought more middle-of-the-road stances.[74] In late July, McGovern's decision became more complicated when his daughter Teresa was arrested in Rapid City, South Dakota on marijuana possession charges.[111] She had led a troubled life since her teenage years, developing problems with alcohol and depression and suffering the consequences of a relationship with an unstable neighborhood boy.[112] Based on a recently enacted strict state drugs law, Terry now faced a minimum five-year prison sentence if found guilty.[113] McGovern was also convinced that the socially conservative voters of South Dakota would reject him due to his daughter's arrest.[113] Charges against her were subsequently dropped due to a technically invalid search warrant.[114]

McGovern formally announced his candidacy on August 10, 1968 in Washington, two weeks in advance of the 1968 Democratic National Convention, committing himself to "the goals for which Robert Kennedy gave his life."[115] Asked why he was a better choice than McCarthy, he said, "Well – Gene really doesn't want to be President, and I do."[116] At the convention in Chicago, Humphrey was the near-certain choice while McGovern became the initial rallying point for around 300 leaderless Kennedy delegates.[116] The chaotic circumstances of the convention found McGovern denouncing as "police brutality" the Chicago police tactics against demonstrators.[117] It was very difficult for McGovern to gain in delegate strength given the internal politics of the party, and black protest candidate Channing E. Phillips drew off some of his support.[117] In the actual roll call, McGovern came in third with 146½ delegates, far behind Humphrey's 1760¼ and McCarthy's 601.[118]

McGovern endorsed Humphrey at the convention, to the dismay of some anti-war figures who considered it a betrayal.[117] Humphrey went on to lose the general election to Richard Nixon. McGovern returned to his Senate reelection race, facing Republican former Governor Archie M. Gubbrud. While South Dakota voters sympathized with McGovern over his daughter's arrest,[119] he initially suffered a substantial drop in popularity over the events in Chicago.[120] However, McGovern conducted an energetic campaign that focused on his service to the state, while Gubbrud ran a lackluster effort.[120] In November, McGovern won 57 percent of the vote in what he would consider the easiest and most decisive victory of his career.[119]


He didn't "puss out", he, knew he would be able to go nowhere and he would have done no good dead. McGovern bailing and throwing his support behind Humphrey, was, I like to think, a meaty bone to those who would come 20, 30, 40 years in the future. As the lies have come basically full circle and the "nutball" conspiracy theories of old are now overtaking the running narrative over the years as the about-to-become-conventional-wisdom. I think I and others my age happen to live in a generation which straddles that which what was America (what we believed it to be as naive kids with pro-labor Democratic parents and grandparents) and that which that we have come to know, post Iranian hostage crisis, hatred for Reagan by people who BELIEVED in the power of labor, resurgence of right wing militia movements in the 90s, Internet, Y2K, bush theft and of course 9/11 and on into where we are now -- wars we marched against and proved we had absolutely no power to affect anything in the intellectual miasma of the day.

That said, "they" would have bit off more than they could chew as far as their assassinations of progressive true Americans if they would have assassinated McGovern in turn. All their "lone nut" theories as far as the close cluster of assassinations of one family during the Vietnam era would have completely made, their "crazed but exactingly professional terrorist" look like an infinite ton of bullshit concerning 9/11, which would have never worked -- had they whacked McGovern. They had to slow down and begin methodical and complex psychological operations with not just the people, but now the politicians -- ala Bill Hicks "JFK moment".

Who knows? Maybe some faction of elites despised the fact that only JFK could have simultaneously convinced America to go to the Moon and also, somewhat secretly, oppose the Vietnam war and get us out of it and change the course of the country forever.

Ah well. . .
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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby norton ash » Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:30 am

Of all the men that have run for president in the twentieth century, only George McGovern truly understood what a monument America could be to the human race.
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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:31 am

Hell. To go totally deep politics and conspiracy about it. Perhaps he was assassinated because they knew he would likely reveal that the Apollo program was all a hoax to the American people in order to further jumpstart the "fourth reich". I mean, that shit fits in with Carl Sagan's explanation of the "space race" and global dominance having very little to do with humanity but everything, for the most part, to do with the "USSR/USA" dominance game. Two different experiments with a control -- a constantly attacked third world -- in order to figure out what could be hybridized at a future date which would one day include "another Pearl Harbor".

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Could be though!
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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby Project Willow » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:10 am

[quote="Laodicean"]Image

I hope the pictures of the kids surface one day.
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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby Allegro » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:43 am

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82, here's an interesting find at Spaceweather dot com, July 21, 2011.

Last Picture of Atlantis in Space

    This morning, space shuttle Atlantis landed at NASA's Kennedy Space Center, wrapping up the final mission of NASA's space shuttle program. At 08:27:48 UT, just 21 minutes before the deorbit burn, astrophotographer Thierry Legault captured what might be the last picture of Atlantis in space—and it was a solar transit:

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    Above: Space shuttle Atlantis (circled) and sunspot AR1254

    Because Atlantis was passing over Europe in broad daylight, the only way to catch it would be in silhouette against the sun. "I traveled from my home in Paris, France, to Emden city, Germany, to put myself in the transit's path," says Legault. "Skies were cloudy, but fortunately the transit occurred in a clear gap. Its duration was only 0.9 seconds and Atlantis, from a distance of 566 km (350 miles), appeared on four images."
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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby Allegro » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:48 am

MinM wrote:... It makes me wonder what locations and platforms will be used going forward. [REFER.]

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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:03 am

@82_28:

I saw a great documentary on netflix about Mcgovern...coulda sworn there was evidence that Nixon wanted to plant evidence in a would be assassin's room that he was working for Mcgovern. This was circa 1972 I think. I still don't get how post watergate it wasn't until 1978 that people voted in a Democrat. Also how come liberals back then stood up against war criminals even if they were "Democrats"?(like the summer of 1968)

To this day I still from time to time end up in pointless online debates with so called "educated liberals" who absolutely detest the idea that MLK/RFK/MLK/Lennon/etc were killed by way of factions within the government or were the result of a multi layered conspiracy. I'm all "so you admit Fred Hampton was set up to be killed by FBI informants, but even more prolific leaders...that's too adbsurd?"

Have to say, people really hold onto their lone nuts for the life of them..."reclaiming JFK", and all that jazz(notice all the documentaries in the last decade are about "proving" the official story, like PBS' Oswald's Ghost or that one ABC one) They should serve little tear away complementary baggies on flights that contain one nut or 19 nuts.
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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby Laodicean » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:04 am

Project Willow wrote:
Laodicean wrote:Image

I hope the pictures of the kids surface one day.


It's interesting that, like the unknown whereabouts of JFK's brain post assassination, Enos' remains after his death also remain a mystery...

Recent attempts by space scholars to determine the fate of Enos's remains have been unsuccessful. It is known that some post-mortem study was undertaken, but there is no further trail beyond that, and Enos's body is assumed to have been unceremoniously discarded after the examinations were completed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enos_(chimpanzee)
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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby justdrew » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:09 pm

Laodicean wrote:
Project Willow wrote:
Laodicean wrote:Image

I hope the pictures of the kids surface one day.


It's interesting that, like the unknown whereabouts of JFK's brain post assassination, Enos' remains after his death also remain a mystery...

Recent attempts by space scholars to determine the fate of Enos's remains have been unsuccessful. It is known that some post-mortem study was undertaken, but there is no further trail beyond that, and Enos's body is assumed to have been unceremoniously discarded after the examinations were completed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enos_(chimpanzee)


that's because he's NOT DEAD. He's EarthChief John F. Kennedy's 2nd in command at EarthGov's primary base on the dark side of the moon. been there for decades.
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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby Nordic » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:41 pm

christ, i just saw the headline and read "a sad day for the 80 kids"

80 kids. in norway.

i think i am heavily disturbed by the day's events.

sorry, back to topic.
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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby Allegro » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:51 am

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Spaceweather dot com, July 22, 2011

    The crew of the International Space Station photographed Atlantis even closer to landing, but the orbiter was no longer technically in space. It was reentering Earth's atmosphere:

    Image

    The green band of light that Atlantis is plunging into is called "airglow." Airglow is a luminous bubble that surounds our entire planet, decorating the top of the atmosphere with aurora-like color. Although airglow resembles the aurora borealis, its underlying physics is different. Airglow is caused by an assortment of chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere driven by solar ultraviolet radiation; auroras, on the other hand, are prompted by gusts of solar wind.
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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:13 am

Nordic wrote:christ, i just saw the headline and read "a sad day for the 80 kids"

80 kids. in norway.

i think i am heavily disturbed by the day's events.

sorry, back to topic.



EEesh, now that you mention it. I've just had a very strange feeling all day myself, not feeling good. And that poor monkey...reminds me of all the endless ghastly experiments they continue to do to primates in labs
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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby 82_28 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:25 am

Allegro wrote:.
Spaceweather dot com, July 22, 2011

    The crew of the International Space Station photographed Atlantis even closer to landing, but the orbiter was no longer technically in space. It was reentering Earth's atmosphere:

    Image

    The green band of light that Atlantis is plunging into is called "airglow." Airglow is a luminous bubble that surounds our entire planet, decorating the top of the atmosphere with aurora-like color. Although airglow resembles the aurora borealis, its underlying physics is different. Airglow is caused by an assortment of chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere driven by solar ultraviolet radiation; auroras, on the other hand, are prompted by gusts of solar wind.


Holy fucking shit, is that not amazing. Wow.

To be perfectly frank, however, I must say, I am "sensing" some connection between the USA's final mission and these bombings and shootings and was earlier in the day as well. It seemed to me earlier to be "setting a stage".
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Re: A sad day for us 80s kids who wanted to be astronauts. .

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:31 am

82_28 wrote:
Allegro wrote:.
Spaceweather dot com, July 22, 2011

    The crew of the International Space Station photographed Atlantis even closer to landing, but the orbiter was no longer technically in space. It was reentering Earth's atmosphere:

    Image

    The green band of light that Atlantis is plunging into is called "airglow." Airglow is a luminous bubble that surounds our entire planet, decorating the top of the atmosphere with aurora-like color. Although airglow resembles the aurora borealis, its underlying physics is different. Airglow is caused by an assortment of chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere driven by solar ultraviolet radiation; auroras, on the other hand, are prompted by gusts of solar wind.


Holy fucking shit, is that not amazing. Wow.

To be perfectly frank, however, I must say, I am "sensing" some connection between the USA's final mission and these bombings and shootings and was earlier in the day as well. It seemed to me earlier to be "setting a stage".



I hadn't thought of that. I know I made a big deal about the symbolism of the Giffords husband mission, which I erroneously believed was the final flight. Yeah it's spooky...while we had the cluster of royal wedding/NASA launch delay/OBL kill around May 1st, there seems to be some building syncs at play here. The other major news is the "no deal on debt, august 2nd deadline looms" and then the endless assortment of speculation and fallout that may happen from that.
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