Huge explosion in Oslo

[Harvey]

Jeff, the magicians can't help perform their slight of hand.

On another note, it's proably not relevant but immediately after Breiviks identification yesterday evening, a search of his name or email address (can't remember) brought up this twitter account:

http://twitter.com/#!/conservatist

I couldn't figure out why until it turned out that 'Converservatism' is Breivik's World Of Warcraft account name, similar enough to be interesting:

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... 585?page=1

There is only one direct return when you do a string search the of the URL of the twitter account which appears to be a forum discussing the attacks:

https://www.flashback.org/t1605847

As I said, it's probably nothing.

[MacCruiskeen]

This reminds me of Columbine, when there were also allegations of gunmen other than the two boys...

Yes. It also reminds me of the Winnenden school massacre in Germany, where one teenage boy is alleged to have committed two sets of killings in two different places fairly far apart, and where multiple reports of a second shooter dressed very differently were subsequently consigned to the memory hole.

The emerging story of this double massacre in Norway strikes me as not just deeply horrible but also increasingly weird. The whole thing smells fishy. It's not just this fiddling about with his Facebook page (though who the hell did that??) His biography also looks weirdly artificial and cobbled-together. And if his motivation really was racial hatred, then why did he choose those particular targets? (i.e., one indiscriminate bombing in the city centre and one lengthy massacre of -- apparently -- mainly "Nordic" youths.) It also practically beggars belief that one man alone could have done what he did, so cold-bloodedly, so tirelessly, in two different places considerably far apart, and for such a very, very long time.

Not the least of the weirdnesses/anomalies is that he actually survived and is now under arrest. (What proportion of these spree killers either commit suicide in a paroxysm of self-disgust or are shot dead by the police? And how did the police even manage to arrest him? Are they exceptionally brave in Norway? Or did he just stop shooting and give himself up?)

Certainly I would not be surprised if he suffered a sudden heart attack or was found hanged in his cell before coming to trial.

PS I know the foregoing consists mainly of suspicions and speculations, but a) there's no law against it, b) this website is not called Relentless Suspicion for nothing, and c) what we don't suspect can't hurt them.

[sergeant stiletto]

The omnipotence of Al Qaeda and meaninglessness of "Terrorism"

By Glenn Greenwald

In other words, now that we know the alleged perpetrator is not Muslim, we know -- by definition -- that Terrorists are not responsible; conversely, when we thought Muslims were responsible, that meant -- also by definition -- that it was an act of Terrorism.

Or, just as chillingly, maybe we're all potential terrorist now, which still gives little meaning for the word but huge power to those in charge.

[Bruce Dazzling]

This reminds me of Columbine, when there were also allegations of gunmen other than the two boys...

Yes. It also reminds me of the Winnenden school massacre in Germany, where one teenage boy is alleged to have committed two sets of killings in two different places fairly far apart, and where multiple reports of a second shooter dressed very differently were subsequently consigned to the memory hole.

The emerging story of this double massacre in Norway strikes me as not just deeply horrible but also increasingly weird. The whole thing smells fishy. It's not just this fiddling about with his Facebook page (though who the hell did that??) His biography also looks weirdly artificial and cobbled-together. And if his motivation really was racial hatred, then why did he choose those particular targets? (i.e., one indiscriminate bombing in the city centre and one lengthy massacre of -- apparently -- mainly "Nordic" youths.) It also practically beggars belief that one man alone could have done what he did, so cold-bloodedly, so tirelessly, in two different places considerably far apart, and for such a very, very long time.

Not the least of the weirdnesses/anomalies is that he actually survived and is now under arrest. (What proportion of these spree killers either commit suicide in a paroxysm of self-disgust or are shot dead by the police? And how did the police even manage to arrest him? Are they exceptionally brave in Norway? Or did he just stop shooting and give himself up?)

Certainly I would not be surprised if he suffered a sudden heart attack or was found hanged in his cell before coming to trial.

PS I know the foregoing consists mainly of suspicions and speculations, but a) there's no law against it, b) this website is not called Relentless Suspicion for nothing, and c) what we don't suspect can't hurt them.

Yup.

As I said on my Facebook page this morning:

Bin Laden was unarmed in his bedroom and got his head blown off. Meanwhile, Anders Behring Breivik just got finished murdering 80+ kids, and must have been armed to the teeth, but he was taken into custody. ALIVE. But I'm probably crazy for finding this strange.

[stickdog99]

I can't believe that one guy could do this all this by himself, either. We've already seen the meme that we must now fear the "superpowered lone wolf" being flogged.

I want to hear the story of how this guy was taken into custody as well.

Could it be that the legal systems of Norway, Sweden and Finland were not "robust" enough to handle the coming social unrest?

[Harvey]

I can't believe that one guy could do this all this by himself, either. We've already seen the meme that we must now fear the "superpowered lone wolf" being flogged.

I want to hear the story of how this guy was taken into custody as well.

Could it be that the legal systems of Norway, Sweden and Finland were not "robust" enough to handle the coming social unrest?

I'll be surprised if there aren't calls for more rigourous gun control.

[Peachtree Pam]

This reminds me of Columbine, when there were also allegations of gunmen other than the two boys...

Yes. It also reminds me of the Winnenden school massacre in Germany, where one teenage boy is alleged to have committed two sets of killings in two different places fairly far apart, and where multiple reports of a second shooter dressed very differently were subsequently consigned to the memory hole.

The emerging story of this double massacre in Norway strikes me as not just deeply horrible but also increasingly weird. The whole thing smells fishy. It's not just this fiddling about with his Facebook page (though who the hell did that??) His biography also looks weirdly artificial and cobbled-together. And if his motivation really was racial hatred, then why did he choose those particular targets? (i.e., one indiscriminate bombing in the city centre and one lengthy massacre of -- apparently -- mainly "Nordic" youths.) It also practically beggars belief that one man alone could have done what he did, so cold-bloodedly, so tirelessly, in two different places considerably far apart, and for such a very, very long time.

Not the least of the weirdnesses/anomalies is that he actually survived and is now under arrest. (What proportion of these spree killers either commit suicide in a paroxysm of self-disgust or are shot dead by the police? And how did the police even manage to arrest him? Are they exceptionally brave in Norway? Or did he just stop shooting and give himself up?)

Certainly I would not be surprised if he suffered a sudden heart attack or was found hanged in his cell before coming to trial.

PS I know the foregoing consists mainly of suspicions and speculations, but a) there's no law against it, b) this website is not called Relentless Suspicion for nothing, and c) what we don't suspect can't hurt them.

Yup.

As I said on my Facebook page this morning:

Bin Laden was unarmed in his bedroom and got his head blown off. Meanwhile, Anders Behring Breivik just got finished murdering 80+ kids, and must have been armed to the teeth, but he was taken into custody. ALIVE. But I'm probably crazy for finding this strange.

Here's what I'm wondering: how many Americans, including Will McCants of Jihadica, are in the room with the Norwegian interrogators.

As MacCruiskeen wrote, this is really beginning to smell. If there is one thing you learn at RI, it's that nothing is as it first appears.

[Stephen Morgan]

Probably ran out of ammunition.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

9 years, 10 months, 11 days after 9/11/01

[barracuda]

He was apparently shot and wounded before his arrest.

[Harvey]

9 years, 10 months, 11 days after 9/11/01

Give the man a cigar:

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duratio ... =7&y2=2011

[Dradin Kastell]

Haven't seen this mentioned yet anywhere in English: according to a Finnish tabloid, it appears that Breivik (or someone working with him) sent out a 1500-page "study"/manifesto, in English, in an e-mail titled "The Islamisation of Western Europe and the status of the European Resistance Movements" to various recipients just before the attack.

This is just being reported on the Iltalehti website as one of the recipients was a Finnish local politician belonging to the right-wing, xenophobic True Finn Party, who just forwarded the message without reading it to her contacts because it said "islam" on the title ( ) and only later heard from one of the people she sent it to that the "study" included pictures of Breivik, some of them very same ones we have seen in the media after the attacks. The "study" was written by a "Andrew Berwick".

Link to the original story (in Finnish):

http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2011072314103709_uu.shtml

[Harvey]

Haven't seen this mentioned yet anywhere in English: according to a Finnish tabloid, it appears that Breivik (or someone working with him) sent out a 1500-page "study"/manifesto, in English, in an e-mail titled "The Islamisation of Western Europe and the status of the European Resistance Movements" to various recipients just before the attack.

This is just being reported on the Iltalehti website as one of the recipients was a Finnish local politician belonging to the right-wing, xenophobic True Finn Party, who just forwarded the message without reading it to her contacts because it said "islam" on the title ( ) and only later heard from one of the people she sent it to that the "study" included pictures of Breivik, some of them very same ones we have seen in the media after the attacks. The "study" was written by a "Andrew Berwick".

Link to the original story (in Finnish):

http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2011072314103709_uu.shtml

I'll get looking for the alias, Andrew Berwick, someone is leaving a trail of breadcrumbs.

[stickdog99]

misogynist Bork disciple?

[sunny]

LOL. Somebody needs to inform the counter-culture boomers that their revolution is nearing completion. News to them, I bet.