Huge explosion in Oslo

[Harvey]

Since the thread has devolved into frenetic ego collision, lets get back on track shall we. Someone, in part responsible, is out there tonight, lets review what we know. No?

[Harvey]

[Where the fuck did 'Israelis' come from?

That's what I've been trying to figure out since about page two of the thread.

Then please don't address that point to me because we can all see it doesn't apply. Let's stick to the facts shall we my friend.

Sorry. I didn't really mean to imply anything about you specifically there.

It's been a horrific few days, and we've all probably had too little sleep. In any case, I believe there's work to be done here.

[MacCruiskeen]

Harvey, your point about the change to his Facebook page looks important if true. Has it been confirmed elsewhere? Are other people talking about it? Could there possibly be an innocent explanation for it?

Full disclosure: I don't do Facebook, and my computer literacy barely extends beyond the ability to use Firefox and Word.

[barracuda]

FWIW, Breivik admits responsibility:

The suspect in twin attacks in and near Oslo that killed at least 92 people, Anders Behring Breivik, has admitted responsibility, his lawyer told Norway's NRK television channel on Saturday.

Behring Breivik, 32, was detained for allegedly shooting at least 85 people dead at a youth Labour Party meeting on an island and killing seven more in a car bomb explosion which ripped through government buildings in Oslo.

"He admitted responsibility," lawyer Geir Lippestad told the television station.

"He explained that it was cruel but that he had to go through with these acts," Lippestad said, adding that the attacks were "apparently planned over a long period of time".

Yes, the death toll now stands at 92.

[Harvey]

Harvey, your point about the change to his Facebook page looks important if true. Has it been confirmed elsewhere? Are other people talking about it?

Yes, other people are talking about it but they still seem confused. The core point on that issue is that the page was changed after 12:12 AM GMT, specifically to include the reference to Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. I've got the original saved page, and a number of friends do as well. So does Google. I've invited you all to see for yourselves. Facebook could potentially have the IP of conspirators involved with the killer/killers. They've made plenty of mistakes so far, so we don't know that they masked their IP. Whoever it is, they are out there and they could be caught if the relevant authorities give a shit.

(Edited to include time zone)

[barracuda]

I noticed this last night after the facebook page was taken down. Compare the original which I saved minutes after the shooters identity became known:

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/416/ ... 0setti.jpg

with a capture taken just before the facebook page was taken down a few hours later while events were still unfolding:

http://publicintelligence.net/wp-conten ... 290254.png

Here is a .pdf of Breivik's Facebook page linked to by Cryptogon which is different than either of the images in your post.

http://www.solidprinciples.com/blog/wp- ... CEBOOK.pdf

[Harvey]

Harvey, your point about the change to his Facebook page looks important if true. Has it been confirmed elsewhere? Are other people talking about it? Could there possibly be an innocent explanation for it?

Full disclosure: I don't do Facebook, and my computer literacy barely extends beyond the ability to use Firefox and Word.

Addendum:

The only 'innocent' explanation is that tabloids got hold of the information (how did the Mail ID the guy for a start, nobody is asking) and hacked the page and includuded info for a juicier story. In light of the past week of scandels, not only is that unlikely, it doesn't begin to answer how the doctored images got onto his facebook page.

I repeat: Facebook knows the IP of all edits to that page since the account began on the 17th.

[Project Willow]

The suspect in twin attacks in and near Oslo that WHO killed at least 92 people, Anders Behring Breivik, has admitted responsibility, his lawyer told Norway's NRK television channel on Saturday.

That should read WHO dammit, WHO, a human being, one of us, like us, not separate, not alien, not reptilian, not other, not indescribable nor inexplicable.

Now we'll be treated to endless utterances like, "What a senseless act of violence," "We can never really know why." Yes we can, if only, but humans never possessed the courage to look in an accurate mirror.

[babaqaq]

The suspect in twin attacks in and near Oslo that WHO killed at least 92 people, Anders Behring Breivik, has admitted responsibility, his lawyer told Norway's NRK television channel on Saturday.

That should read WHO dammit, WHO, a human being, one of us, like us, not separate, not alien, not reptilian, not other, not indescribable nor inexplicable.

Now we'll be treated to endless utterances like, "What a senseless act of violence," "We can never really know why." Yes we can, if only, but humans never possessed the courage to look in an accurate mirror.

I must agree entirely. And (I must stress), without becoming monstrous ourselves in the process.

[MacCruiskeen]

I repeat: Facebook knows the IP of all edits to that page since the account began on the 17th.

Well. OK.

I don't know what to say, except to suggest that you mail this information quickly to as many honest and -- if possible -- influential people as possible. You might start with Norwegian journalists. It's a very small and egalitarian country, and right now they're far less likely than either Brit or Yank hacks to be intimidated by dumb sneers about "conspiracy theories".

There is also a Norwegian Indymedia, where you can certainly get the information out quickly and receive quick feedback in English, no doubt including contact details for journalists worth contacting.

[barracuda]

Also, the existing Google cache no longer shows the Modern Warfare 2 icon.

[MacCruiskeen]

Glenn Greenwald might also be worth getting in touch with. He has written a couple of good posts about this whole horrible thing.

[justdrew]

Also, the existing Google cache no longer shows the Modern Warfare 2 icon.

it's possible facebook shows a random sub-selection to different sessions/IPs.

[Harvey]

I noticed this last night after the facebook page was taken down. Compare the original which I saved minutes after the shooters identity became known:

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/416/ ... 0setti.jpg

with a capture taken just before the facebook page was taken down a few hours later while events were still unfolding:

http://publicintelligence.net/wp-conten ... 290254.png

Here is a .pdf of Breivik's Facebook page linked to by Cryptogon which is different than either of the images in your post.

http://www.solidprinciples.com/blog/wp- ... CEBOOK.pdf

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7th post down. PDF link. It's a PDF somebody else made, not me, if you were logged in to facebook at the time, with access to his personal photo's, that's what you could access. I didn't make it, but then, as I maintain, I wasn't logged in to Facebook at the time. I never saw the images directly on his facebook page. Wish I had been logged in.

Point is, there are two different versions of his face book page flying around the internet. While everyone is fumbling around being genuinely scullfucked, the killers are laughing. Before, 12:12 AM GMT the facebook page did not include a reference to COD:Modern Warfare 2. Sometime an hour or two after 12:12 AM GMT, it did include a reference to COD:Modern Warfare 2. The Google cache of the image was made after I saved the page, it too does not include any reference to COD:Modern Warfare 2. Believe what you will.

[kenoma]

I think we can safely dismiss the theory that this guy had native-speaking English editors

Ha! I want to emphasise that I wasn't saying he is a good writer. But there are many bad writers of English whose native language is English. And "Andrew Berwick's" screed looks to me like the work of a crap writer whose native language is English and who is trying, occasionally (whenever he remembers), to sound a wee bit foreign.

I get what you're saying, but I just don't think it's possible to distinguish between a learner's proficiency and a native speaker's vernacular fluency from the text we have. This guy chose to write in the studiedly anodyne language of the political manifesto. Given the genre he chose, it was easy for him to closely imitate or directly plagiarize the phraseology of a generic rightwing screed. Had he written a suicide note or something similar in English, it would be easier to pick up on bum notes or telling colloquiallisms. But in the discourse he's writing in, it's very hard to tell the difference between an excellent learner and a mediocre native-speaker.