Huge explosion in Oslo

[MacCruiskeen]

when i said it all makes perfect sense

Oh, I wasn't getting at you, vk! I didn't even notice you'd used the phrase. My sarcasm was directed elsewhere entirely, and not towards anyone on this board.

[vanlose kid]

it's cool. no offense taken. i might have sounded too glib anyway. so it's all good.

one point i do want to make is that this one man act actually has a bigger chance of succeeding in a place like Norway. although i wouldn't call them naive, just committed.

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[sunny]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's now open season on "Marxist multicultural subversion" and all mutations thereof.

[8bitagent]

Man Copycat Effect is a trip, like this recent article on bizarre behavior by people following OBL's death
http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2011/ ... uakes.html

An interview with himself? Pretty bizarre.

If it was a psy-op (or even if it's not) my assumption would not be that it has anything to do with Israel/Palestine, but that it's an attack on the notion of Scandinavian social democracy. Norway epitomizes it, and the ruling party was social democratic. From Wikipedia:
The country maintains a Nordic welfare model with universal health care, subsidized higher education, and a comprehensive social security system. From 2001 to 2007,[13] and then again in 2009 and 2010, Norway had the highest human development index ranking in the world.[14]

That's what seems to be behind the guy's language of "Marxist multiculturalism," etc.
And if you want to kill the future of happy social democracy, I guess there's no better way than *killing the future.*

I agree. His rants are interesting; he goes out of his way to say he is not a Jew hater and not racist per se. He never once seems to look up to or support famous Nazis, instead liking anti Nazis during WW2.
He strongly supports Israel and opposes anti Zionism from the left. I want to say he reminds me of what Erik Prince is, but Erik Prince works for terror financing Sharia law corrupt Arab states and is a Christian supremist. Even Anders admits he is not a devout Christian, but is more motivated by classic Europa nationality and history, proud of his pre Christian namesake and culture. I think he only posted on sites the media is saying are connected to neo Nazis as those seem to be prevelent in "anti Islamification of Europe" memes. I just don't get a neo Nazi vibe in the usual sense...far right, definitely. If he acted without concert of the usual spookery, then it's scary to think there may be other "lone wolves" like him ready to strike.

But yeah, why is it only terrorism if its Muslims? "At first we thought it must be terrorists, but it turned out to be a lone right wing nutjob"...as only a Muslim lone nutjob or group is terroristic?

[8bitagent]

Here's a thought echoing others: Why didn't he just do a "false flag"? If he's so committed to the cause, why didn't he befriend some Muslims youth and set them up. Or leave breadcrumb trails of years worth of links to "Islamist indoctrination"? THEN, he would get the massive flames of anti Muslim sentiment. If anything, this hurts his cause as now people are saying "wait a minute, Islamists arent the only terror threats to us". Had he provocateured/false flagged a "jihadist" attack, it would have worked. Aw, but ego...there's the rub. He wouldnt get to show himself as templar pretty boy rescuing Europe from the clutches of socialists(which is, as pointed out what this is really about...the same anti left sentiments only using Islamic immigrants as the excuse)

[MacCruiskeen]

i don't know which of the excuses the police offered up i should take Mac, but when i said it all makes perfect sense i was referring to Breivik's planning (occupy the police with the *money* target/diversion: Oslo, while taking out a secondary "easy" target as per his manifesto), plus the fact that this is Norway. that last, in particular, make sense to me. same with the police take down that some did not find prejudicial to the necessary extremes. the one cop security on the island died during the attack. it's Norway, what can i say? the grauniad called the Norse naive.

That's all well and good, vk, but 1) central Oslo was already in ruins, 2) the Labour Party government was already strongly suspected to be the target of the attacks, and 3) - this is the most important point - there were hundreds of terrified, screaming, distraught young people making hundreds of phone calls and sending thousands of text messages, making it unmistakably clear that a terrible, leisurely massacre was taking place on that island.

So invoking Sleepy Old Norway's incorrigible easy-goingness is just not a plausible explanation for the police's shocking lack of urgency in getting there double-quick and stopping the killer by any means necessary.

scandinavian politicians regularly walk around town without any security in their freetime, they take pride in it: think Palme, Anna Lindh.

They both died violent deaths. Has it altered nothing? (They're also both Swedish, rather than Norwegian, which is not irrelevant.)

In any case, as I say, the personal bravery or laxness of certain adult individual Swedish politicians about their own personal safety is something else entirely from the Norwegian police's bizarre refusal to hurry to the scene of an ongoing massacre of innocents.

[MacCruiskeen]

I should say that I'm sure most of the Norwegian police officers were probably straining at the bit to get there and help the kids. I'm not suggesting "a vast conspiracy", from top to bottom. I'm saying it looks as though certain people in a position to make decisions were in no hurry to stop that guy before he'd had time to do what he set out to do.

How else would you (or anyone else) explain that unconscionable delay, vk? "Sleepy Old Norway" just doesn't really cut it for me.

[vanlose kid]

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point taken Mac, but with qualifications. shock does not necessarily translate into action, especially if you don't know what to do or have never had to take action in like situations before. i'm sure Norwegian police will react differently next time (though i hope there isn't a next time). i think they were stunned and thinking on their feet, not having been trained to expect anything like what happened. just my thoughts though.

Faced with inhumanity, we must be more human

After the attacks in Oslo and Utoya, Norwegians should continue to embrace internationalism and doing good in the world.
Erik Abild Last Modified: 24 Jul 2011 12:36


Oslo, my home, was bombed on Friday. July 22, 2011, at 15:26 in the afternoon. A powerful explosion in the middle of our capital, at the heart of Norway. Several people were killed, many more injured, the whole city wounded and marked for ever.

An hour later, more than 80 people were brutally killed. They were gathered at a political youth camp on an island. There was nowhere to run, nothing to protect themselves with. They were young and had their lives in front of them. They were among the best of us, among those who wanted to make a difference, to work for what they believed in. Now they are gone and we are left with empty feelings, filled with grief.

From Gaza to Oslo

For the past two years I have lived in Gaza, working for a Norwegian humanitarian organisation. I've experienced many bombings and lived close to people who have lost more than one can imagine, and lived through terrifying experiences. Recently I moved home to Oslo after four years abroad. I started to use a bicycle helmet to be safe. I thought Oslo was the calmest place on earth.

Then the bomb rocked the building I was in. I ran out. There was dusty smoke in the air and store alarms going off. But there were no sirens, no screams; people were not panicking. Many were taking pictures and talking on phones. I ran towards the blast site. There were no police or ambulances there yet. I remember thinking that there were few people around - the injured who could walk had probably left, and some were being carried out as I came. I saw two people lying on the ground, being cared for by passers-by. The open square surrounding the main governmental building was filled with broken glass and mangled debris, but it felt quiet, empty, bombed.

I continued until I was standing at the entrance of the main building. There I saw a severely injured person whom, together with another person, I helped. When the ambulances came, we managed to get all the injured people I could see out. Then the police closed off the area in fear of more bombs. I thought of those who must be bleeding inside the bombed buildings. Within an hour there were enough ambulances and no need for civilian assistance.

The unimaginable

I left and started calling people on the phone. It was then I heard about the second attack, the one on the island. I could not believe it and did not understand it. I thought it was a shoot-out with the police. When I realised that young people were caught on an island with a man shooting at them, I became cold, filled with disbelief.

In some ways, a bomb attack in a capital, even in Norway, is something most people can imagine and relate to. But I don't think anyone could imagine a man systematically killing young people at a summer camp outside Oslo.

The morning after, when I heard the number of people killed, I was numbed. The enormity of the tragedy. All the families across Norway where the youth camp participants came from. The grief. The loss.

An attack on what Norway is

The attacker, the terrorist - the person wanting to spread fear by violence - was a Norwegian. He apparently defined himself as a nationalist, and as being against internationalism. I've read he was deeply opposed to multiculturalism and that he was furiously anti-Islamic. He had written a manuscript about how Marxism and Islam would ruin Europe. And much more. For me he represents violence, sickness and hate.

However, one thing is sure: he wanted to attack Norwegian society, Norwegian politics, and what it is that is Norway.

This brings up the question of what is Norwegian, what is Norway today? The prime minister, the king and many others have mentioned concepts such as democracy, openness, equality, community and freedom. These are loaded concepts, shared by many nations, but which are also viewed differently by many. The sum of how we, as Norwegians, fill these concepts with meaning - by our actions as individuals and a society - perhaps best defines what Norway is.

Today, two days after the attack, there is an opportunity for us to fill those concepts with meaning. An attack completely without meaning, but which we have to turn into meaning. The youths gathered at the island were discussing the way forward for our country and the world. To take up that discussion, and fill their meaningless, tragic deaths with an attempt to make a better tomorrow, is something I think we should do in their spirit.

The importance of internationalism

It is also clear that the attack was in opposition to Norway's internationalism. Criticised and admired over time as either naive or brave, hypocritical or groundbreaking; I still believe that it is an important pillar of Norway's essence. And I believe that now, this internationalism is more important than ever for Norway. In an attack on our outwardness, we have to stand up for our belief in an interconnected world with shared destinies. We have to continue to care about what is outside our home, and to not let geographical boundaries or the social constructs of ethnicity and religion define our morals.

Today, here in Norway, many politicians and people state that "today we are all AUF" (the name of the youth party). And we are. Just as we all were Japanese when the earthquake struck, or as we all are Somalis when we read about famine. This feeling of community is a part of being human. And this communality, the shared experience of humanity, is essential to hold onto. In the face of inhumanity, we have to be more human. Because there is only this one world, brutal and beautiful, and we only have one fragile life to make our difference in the world we all share as home.

The space to be filled

All those who died on Friday leave behind an empty space. The potential space of what they would have done with their lives. When we lose someone, the world becomes less. It is up to us to fill those voids. To be more, because of them.

The Norwegian philosopher Arne Næss once said: "Your humanity is dependent on your ability to act." When my grandfather was dying, his last words were both very simple, yet very complex: "The meaning of life is to do good." Today is the day to start being more human, to try to do good. Today is the day to start making the world we call home a better place.

Erik Abild works for the Norwegian Refugee Council at their head office in central Oslo. He is the Programme Coordinator for Myanmar and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily represent Al Jazeera's editorial policy.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/op ... 38291.html

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[vanlose kid]

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scandinavian politicians regularly walk around town without any security in their freetime, they take pride in it: think Palme, Anna Lindh.

They both died violent deaths. Has it altered nothing? (They're also both Swedish, rather than Norwegian, which is not irrelevant.)

In any case, as I say, the personal bravery or laxness of certain adult individual Swedish politicians about their own personal safety is something else entirely from the Norwegian police's bizarre refusal to hurry to the scene of an ongoing massacre of innocents.

well, from a Norwegian perspective the Swedes are worse. they sell weapons.

ok, sorry. i'll leave it.

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[Hugh Manatee Wins]

This board and others are monitored for reaction to this !Twin Attacks! coverage in order to put out supporting propaganda.

The skepticism about the online image below dangerously tied to the fake photos of Lee Harvey Oswald is the kind of posting that hits a propagandist's achilles heel and so countermeasures were
marketed by Fox TV Denver on their website.

That's about the size of it, but with the technology available at the time, my avatar was a far better job.

A 190 -image slide show of "Real Photos that Look Fake" was assembled with the first few being pictograms that support the veracity of a 'lone wolf' attack on kidz.
...see if they leave this up now that there's focus on it as psyops...

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-real-phot ... otogallery

Slides-
1) child playing in water attacked by dangerous animal


2) psycho identifies self as such in photo


3) fire strikes and destroys as man watches helplessly


4) wild animal appears where totally unexpected

...etc....

Classic subliminal pictogram psyops. Learn to recognize it everyday.

[StarmanSkye]

8bit wrote:

"Aw, but ego...there's the rub. He wouldnt get to show himself as templar pretty boy rescuing Europe from the clutches of socialists(which is, as pointed out what this is really about...the same anti left sentiments only using Islamic immigrants as the excuse)"

Ah, EGO -- That makes sense, it sure helps explain his methodical diaristic notes and 'manifesto' as if he was preparing the elaborate basis for a cult-driven pro-Nationalistic-Revolutionary Pure-Race paramilitary movement in which he would be the historic inspirational hero-figure.

Its just SO twisted.

[lupercal]

An interview with himself? Pretty bizarre.

If it was a psy-op (or even if it's not) my assumption would not be that it has anything to do with Israel/Palestine, but that it's an attack on the notion of Scandinavian social democracy. Norway epitomizes it, and the ruling party was social democratic. From Wikipedia:
The country maintains a Nordic welfare model with universal health care, subsidized higher education, and a comprehensive social security system. From 2001 to 2007,[13] and then again in 2009 and 2010, Norway had the highest human development index ranking in the world.[14]

That's what seems to be behind the guy's language of "Marxist multiculturalism," etc.
And if you want to kill the future of happy social democracy, I guess there's no better way than *killing the future.*

Sure looks that way. They've been at it all year: color revolutions for the easy targets (Ben Ali, Mubarak, Zapatero), NATO bombs for the tough jobs (Gaddafi), and where a little shock and awe will do the trick, false flag attacks. What next I wonder.

[8bitagent]

8bit wrote:

"Aw, but ego...there's the rub. He wouldnt get to show himself as templar pretty boy rescuing Europe from the clutches of socialists(which is, as pointed out what this is really about...the same anti left sentiments only using Islamic immigrants as the excuse)"

Ah, EGO -- That makes sense, it sure helps explain his methodical diaristic notes and 'manifesto' as if he was preparing the elaborate basis for a cult-driven pro-Nationalistic-Revolutionary Pure-Race paramilitary movement in which he would be the historic inspirational hero-figure.

Its just SO twisted.

I agree. If for argument's sake it turns out there's no deep state or spookery intel involvement, and it truly is the product of a virulent idealist, people shouldn't be dissuaded from examination and extrapolation.
This may sadly represent something in the air(of sorts), a concept of a "new man" or ubermench...the next prepatory phase of where the climate is headed. Sometimes I do feel many events ascribed to intel agencies are much more complex and above such paradigms.

Man giraffes are so cute. I just want to run up to him/her and give it a big hug.

[semper occultus]

I agree. His rants are interesting; he goes out of his way to say he is not a Jew hater and not racist per se. He never once seems to look up to or support famous Nazis, instead liking anti Nazis during WW2.
He strongly supports Israel and opposes anti Zionism from the left. I want to say he reminds me of what Erik Prince is, but Erik Prince works for terror financing Sharia law corrupt Arab states and is a Christian supremist. Even Anders admits he is not a devout Christian, but is more motivated by classic Europa nationality and history, proud of his pre Christian namesake and culture. I think he only posted on sites the media is saying are connected to neo Nazis as those seem to be prevelent in "anti Islamification of Europe" memes. I just don't get a neo Nazi vibe in the usual sense...far right, definitely. If he acted without concert of the usual spookery, then it's scary to think there may be other "lone wolves" like him ready to strike.

whilst I agree that Breivik may not fit the popular profile of a NEO nazi I think that owes much to the emotionally/psychologically satisfying tendency of anti-nazis to wish to portray anyone who cleaves to the extreme-right as, by definition, knuckle-dragging tattooed white-trash.

in fact he seems an archetypally representative example of the usually educated & middle-class elements - sated on Spenglerian cultural pessimism, economic/social/sexual insecurity & peculiar quasi-religous messianic/apocalyptic notions - who flocked to the classic inter-war fascist movements , right-down to the uniform / templar fetishism :



& the fact that Israel is now something of a poster-boy to Breivik & the EDL tells you everything you need to know about Israel's post-war political trajectory..none of it very good....

[justdrew]

Palingenetic ultranationalism
Palingenetic ultranationalism is a theory concerning generic fascism formulated by British political theorist Roger Griffin. The key elements are that fascism can be defined by its core myth, namely that of "national rebirth" — palingenesis. Griffin argues that the unique synthesis of palingenesis and ultranationalism differentiates fascism from para-fascism and other authoritarian nationalist ideologies. This is what he calls the "fascist minimum" without which there is no fascism.

The idea was first put forth in the 1991 book The Nature of Fascism, and has been expanded in a paper titled Staging The Nation's Rebirth: The Politics and Aesthetics of Performance in the Context of Fascist Studies in the 1994 volume Fascism and Theatre: The Politics and Aesthetics in the Era of Fascism.

National-Anarchism has been argued to be a syncretic political ideology that was developed in the 1990s by former Third Positionists to promote a stateless palingenetic ultranationalism.

http://ah.brookes.ac.uk/resources/griffin/stagingfascism.pdf