Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

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Re: Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:42 pm

wombat - I see your point but I'd still have a really hard time giving the 'ok' for this as the parent of a minor. I wonder, would you think any differently if the people who gave the thumbs up were not the girl's parents but some corporation who found her in an orphanage or something? (I know, that's out there.. but you see where I"m going)

All that being said, I still have a feeling that there are a lot of plusses for kids who don't have parents.. they are somehow more free, I think. Of course I"m not advocating that kids be raised by wolves or whatever, but kids whose actual PARENTS are not around in their childhoods. If you look at heroes from literature most of them were orphaned and I'm apt to believe that that literary device translates into real world experience in some ways. (for example, those of us in this thread who think letting your 16 year old pilot a boat 'round the world unsupervised.)
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Re: Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:09 pm

I think everything I've read from that Abby Sunderland makes it clear she's an exceptional young woman, and the facts of her story make it clear that she studied hard, passed certification requirements, and was, legally speaking, at least as prepared as any adult could be for such a challenging voyage. I also think media coverage is quick to belittle or ignore the fact she pulled it off for almost 5 fucking months before disaster struck.

I have no doubt that everyone here has life experience with exceptionally mature and focused young mammals under the age of 18. They exist and they need to be nourished and encouraged, not protected from their own ambitions. But whatever. Fortunately, none of you are Abby's parents -- she's lucky.
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Re: Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

Postby Nordic » Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:35 pm

I've been disturbed lately by Nickelodeon. They're sexualizing teen girls in ways that is, I think, far more disturbing than what you see on Glee, or whatever, where the actors are all in their 20's and it's a prime time show and, well hell, Glee is a WEIRD-ASS show anyway. In a good way. It's pretty subversive, really.

But on Nick, you can see on iCarly a great deal of closeups of Miranda Cosgrove's tongue, for one. Then there's this kid who's always running around with his shirt off, sometimes in some weird and vaguely S&M outfits. But the worst is a show called Victorious, where the slinky teen Victoria Justice dresses in some pretty damn provocative outfits, as do her friends on the show, showing off all manner of cleavage and leg, all of them with some pretty heavy makeup. It's a disturbing sexuality because it's on a channel that is strictly for kids, and it's done with actors who are actually underage.

Then I hear they have stalker problems on those shows. Geez, no wonder. To work on them you have to pass a background check (I have friends who work on them).

I know why sex sells to adults, but why would Nick by selling it on their channel, when their audience is strictly kids (except for the parents who happen to be in the room, like myself)?

There is the godfather of all these shows, a fellow named Dan Schneider. He was also behind "Zooey 101" which starred a soon-to-be-pregnant Spears sister (can't remember her name now) and also the aforementioned Victoria Justice. He runs a lot of these shows and is behind all of it. I just don't know anything about him and I'm not sure I want to.
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Re: Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:10 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:I think everything I've read from that Abby Sunderland makes it clear she's an exceptional young woman, and the facts of her story make it clear that she studied hard, passed certification requirements, and was, legally speaking, at least as prepared as any adult could be for such a challenging voyage. I also think media coverage is quick to belittle or ignore the fact she pulled it off for almost 5 fucking months before disaster struck.

I have no doubt that everyone here has life experience with exceptionally mature and focused young mammals under the age of 18. They exist and they need to be nourished and encouraged, not protected from their own ambitions. But whatever. Fortunately, none of you are Abby's parents -- she's lucky.


didn't mean to make you mad at all. I'm not sure what I would have done if she were my daughter, really, I'm not at all certain. I'd have a very hard time getting in the way of her success just because her attempt would make me lose some sleep - I'd think that rather selfish. But then again I wonder if you'd be saying the same thing about this young woman's good fortune at not having more protective parents if she had died. ? Not trying to provoke, I just wonder if you would have made the same stand if the results were different.
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Re: Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:13 pm

Nordic wrote:

I know why sex sells to adults, but why would Nick by selling it on their channel, when their audience is strictly kids (except for the parents who happen to be in the room, like myself)?

Maybe that is precisely why. When you've got a choice between two kids' shows, perhaps some Dad's won't change the channel if the little cartoon chicks turn them on? (yuck.. but still)
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Re: Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

Postby Simulist » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:26 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:
justdrew wrote:does it need a separate thread? what about the 16yo girl now lost at sea. some amazing parents there. Just think of the money involved. The goal was to be youngest person to circumnavigate the globe non-stop. that "failed" upon pulling into south africa for a broken autopilot (I didn't think you got to use an autopilot but I guess, wtf why not). And then there's all this talk of her "tech crew" who are thousands of miles away apparently. There's supposedly no ship closer than 400km away form where emergency beacons were activated. Seems to me I would have been in a seperate ship nearby if MY daughter were doing this, but hey, again... this is TOTALLY symbolic/symptomatic of spoiled-overgrown-baby rich-parents child-rearing style. "Just call me on your sat phone in you need anything. bye bye!"


That is not even remotely fucked up and it blows my mind you'd see it in such a judgemental light.

I see it as an incredible example of having faith in your children and their dreams.

JackRiddler wrote:It's fucked up but also an exceedingly rare case. This is no danger of becoming a trend, at least not in this form. Also, round-the-world like this is always very high risk, no matter who does it.

At 16 the more common case is that parents good or bad lose any control and must watch them go do their own stupid things, without enabling it like in this case.


Again, baffle-faced. She's not getting pregnant, she's not hanging out with older cokeheads, she's not deciding to become a death metal groupie, she's sailing a solo mission around the fucking world. That's impressive, that's exactly the kind of DNA exactly we need to be encouraging. They didn't just put the kid on a boat, she was trained, she was in love with the idea, she studied up and passed tests.

I tend to agree with you on this.

Also, if the young woman had been successful in her voyage, her parents might have been lauded more widely as examples to be emulated.
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Re: Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:17 pm

Far too much, far too young: Outrage over shocking images of the 10-YEAR-OLD model who has graced the pages of Vogue
By Sadie Whitelocks
The Daily Mail
5th August 2011

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She reclines among leopard print pillows, her rouged lips pouting at the camera. But shockingly the model in these highly sexualised pictures is only 10 years old.

The provocative images of Thylane Lena-Rose Blondeau, who is tipped as the next big thing on the fashion scene, are causing a storm of controversy with campaigners furious that a child so young should be displaying the sexual allure of someone twice her age.

Thylane has appeared in numerous campaigns and her image is all over the internet. To date she has an impressive portfolio - the French girl has graced the cover of Vogue Enfants and posed for high-end editorials.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... z1UAhKhaeP

Born in the Ivory Coast, she has already been compared to Sixties siren Brigitte Bardot - who at the age of 15 appeared in ELLE.

But these latest images, complete with heavy make-up and stiletto heels, which appear in French Vogue, have brought the issue to a head.

They come in the wake of a recent Government initiative in the UK to enforce restrictions on the sexualisation of children in the media and sexual content in advertising.

Reg Bailey, Chief Executive of the Mothers' Union, was commissioned to conduct the independent review on the pressures faced by children today.

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A spokesperson for the Mothers' Union told MailOnline: 'We have grave concerns about the modelling agency who represent Blondeau, which clearly does not know if it represents a child or an adult.

'Photo shoots requiring her, a 10-year-old-girl, to dress in full make-up, teetering heels and a dress with a cleavage cut to the waist across her pre-pubescent body deny Blondeau the right to be the child she is.

'These images would, we hope, post Bailey Review, not pass through the standards of magazines, on street advertising and other media within the UK.'

In the review a survey revealed that 88 per cent of parents agreed that children are under pressure grow up too quickly, with 58 per cent accounting this to celebrity culture.

One blogger said of the images: ‘She is a beautiful little girl, as are all ten year old girls. While I am sure she will make a terrific model someday, I find these pictures beyond disturbing - she is styled way too maturely.’

And experts warned today about the psychological damage done to children who are treated in this way.

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Dr Emma Gray is a consultant clinical psychologist and cllinical director of The British CBT & Counselling Service, which deals in behavioural therapy.

She said: ‘This picture is the antithesis of what childhood in our society should be; a child being exposed to a world she is not yet equipped to deal with solely to serve the needs of the adults around her.

‘If children are to develop into happy, grounded and psychologically balanced people their childhood needs to be spent appropriately preparing for the demands of the adult world.

‘Before they are exposed to this world it is the task of the adults around them to create an environment that gives them the time, space and nurture to complete their physical and psychological development. Prematurely exposing a child to the adult world is dangerously preventing the completion of their development into a person who can survive in it.’

Thylane’s entry into the fashion world follows a recent trend for younger models. At 13, actress Elle Fanning is the current star of the Marc by Marc Jacobs autumn/winter campaign and 14-year-old Hailee Steinfeld signed a deal with Miu Miu soon after receiving her Oscar nomination for True Grit this year.

Like many child stars Thylane has strong connections with the entertainment industry. She is the daughter of Véronika Loubry, an actress and television presenter and the former French international football player Patrick Blondeau.

Despite all those concerned about Thylane's age and image, younger admirers seem to be less averse to the provocative images.

On her Facebook page, which totals over 700 fans, people have posted comments celebrating her looks. One writes: 'Hey I just wanted to say that Thylane is absolutely stunning! xx' while another writes 'the awkward moment when a ten year old is prettier than you'.

Mr Bailey added: 'Society also seems to have become more openly sexualised; the rapidly changing technological environment has its benefits in so many ways but has also made the seamier side of humanity inescapable.'

David Cameron has endorsed the findings of the Bailey report and plans to grill companies and regulators at a Downing Street summit in October on the progress they have made.

THE CHANGING FACE OF SOCIETY

The ‘ideal’ body image created by the media and the fashion industry are intertwined.

The advertising industry target women and younger girls as commodities, as well as important consumers.

A UK online survey in 2005 showed that 63 per cent of young girls between 15 to 19 years aspired to be glamour models rather than doctors or teachers.

The sociological reason for this can be debated but may be linked to a false sense of increased self esteem and confidence, associated with society’s acceptance of increasingly feminine role models.

It’s probably not ‘cool’ to be clever. Increased focus on not having the ideal ‘air brushed’ body may give rise to increased anxiety and worries related to body image, eating disorders in young people as young as 14 years, clinical depression and adjustment difficulties with usual life stresses.

As a doctor treating young people with emotional difficulties, one often faces the reality of aspiration and broken dreams of young people. It’s not enough to be just ‘cool’ to go through life.

DR SOUMITRA DATTA, Consultant Child & Adolescent Psychiatrist, London Medical


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Re: Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

Postby Nordic » Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:38 pm

That's seriously fucked up.
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Re: Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

Postby blanc » Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:31 am

Vogue's childrenswear publication in the early 80s Vogue Bambini used photoshoots of children which were similarly veering very close to perv fodder.
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Re: Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:48 am

Simulist wrote:
Wombaticus Rex wrote:
justdrew wrote:does it need a separate thread? what about the 16yo girl now lost at sea. some amazing parents there. Just think of the money involved. The goal was to be youngest person to circumnavigate the globe non-stop. that "failed" upon pulling into south africa for a broken autopilot (I didn't think you got to use an autopilot but I guess, wtf why not). And then there's all this talk of her "tech crew" who are thousands of miles away apparently. There's supposedly no ship closer than 400km away form where emergency beacons were activated. Seems to me I would have been in a seperate ship nearby if MY daughter were doing this, but hey, again... this is TOTALLY symbolic/symptomatic of spoiled-overgrown-baby rich-parents child-rearing style. "Just call me on your sat phone in you need anything. bye bye!"


That is not even remotely fucked up and it blows my mind you'd see it in such a judgemental light.

I see it as an incredible example of having faith in your children and their dreams.

JackRiddler wrote:It's fucked up but also an exceedingly rare case. This is no danger of becoming a trend, at least not in this form. Also, round-the-world like this is always very high risk, no matter who does it.

At 16 the more common case is that parents good or bad lose any control and must watch them go do their own stupid things, without enabling it like in this case.


Again, baffle-faced. She's not getting pregnant, she's not hanging out with older cokeheads, she's not deciding to become a death metal groupie, she's sailing a solo mission around the fucking world. That's impressive, that's exactly the kind of DNA exactly we need to be encouraging. They didn't just put the kid on a boat, she was trained, she was in love with the idea, she studied up and passed tests.

I tend to agree with you on this.

Also, if the young woman had been successful in her voyage, her parents might have been lauded more widely as examples to be emulated.


The lot of you have convinced me that I was full of bullshit. I hereby renounce the above quotation. I may have been partly prompted by class resentments (thinking of the rich parents who can afford to equip this journey, etc. etc.)

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Re: Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

Postby justdrew » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:21 pm

Eden Wood

something needs to be done about "parents" exploiting their own children. Do these monsters know what the word Patootie means? They must. Anyway, I'm not posting a link to this horror show but take the name to youtube and prepare yourself. :wallhead:
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Re: Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:59 pm

justdrew wrote:Eden Wood

something needs to be done about "parents" exploiting their own children. Do these monsters know what the word Patootie means? They must. Anyway, I'm not posting a link to this horror show but take the name to youtube and prepare yourself. :wallhead:


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Re: Is This What I Have To Look Forward To With My Daughter?

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:18 pm

It just gets worse. I've never attended one of these pageants so I wonder if some of the more overboard moms haven't been primed by the reality show producers. Some of these parents really believe their child is going to be the next Miley Cyrus. I started watching Toddler's & Tiaras because someone in my extended family is a pageant mom and was featured on one of the episodes. Not this episode but it was bad.

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A mom whο dressed hеr daughter Ɩіkе thе prostitute Julia Roberts played іn Pretty Woman іѕ іn hiding аftеr receiving several death threats.

Wendy Dickey ѕауѕ thаt thе outfit wаѕ meant tο bе a joke аnԁ nοt a way tο sexualize hеr daughter. Shе adds:

“Thе whole іԁеа wаѕ fοr people tο see thе comedy behind іt. It’s Ɩіkе whеn уου take уουr children tο a kids’ movie, thеrе′s always adult humour thаt thе parents ɡеt thаt thе children don’t ɡеt аnԁ thаt’s whаt іt wаѕ аbουt.

Whеn уου take уουr children tο thе beach уου рυt swimsuits οn уουr girls, bikinis οn уουr ƖіttƖе ones οr уουr bіɡ ones οr teenagers.”

Meanwhile, thе Parents Television Council blast TLC fοr airing thе episode:

“Thеrе′s nο qυеѕtіοn, TV executives аrе complicit іn robbing thеѕе small kids οf thеіr childhood. Fοr years wе′ve seen adult sexuality being inappropriately аnԁ aggressively foisted οn innocent young children, bυt children today аrе being sexualized аt younger аnԁ younger ages. AƖƖ available data suggests thеу wіƖƖ suffer fοr іt later іn life.”

Yes, wе wеrе јυѕt аѕ shocked аѕ everyone еƖѕе whеn wе saw thе toddler’s outfit, bυt death threats іѕ going waaaay tοο far.

Whаt thіѕ woman probably needs though, іѕ ѕοmе counseling.

If уου hаνе уеt tο see thе episode, watch a clip above tο see whаt wе′re talking аbουt! It’s pretty outrageous!
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