Fuck Ron Paul

[Elihu]

Obviously we have to do something. All I ask is that we go a bit further down the road of hypothetical outcomes than we yet have.

Okay. take the "official" US gold holdings (temporarily confiscated in 33) said to be about 8300 tons (check for tungsten). that is about 290 - 300 M troy ounces. divide by the number of 1040 tax returns filed current or under extension for 2010. doesn't matter if they owe, only if they filed. refund that amount of gold to each person/family (my guess is about 1.5 t-oz each). immediately allow gold (alongside paper dollars - either / or) to be payable for all debts public and private at the going market rate at the option of the debtor. let gold and frns compete fairly. immediately open the US mint to the coining of gold tendered by anyone that shows up free of charge. then stand back and watch....

[elfismiles]

That is, it hasn't happened for us. The 50,000 or so people who've needlessly died everyday worldwide for the last twenty five years or so as a result of hunger, water-borne diseases and AIDS, for example, would probably find any quibbling about irrational fear mongering pretty meaningless.

How many lives would be saved if we ended the wars and ended the empire?

I guess I'm just tired of bullshit politics and am dreaming that THAT (ending empire and ending THE COMPLEX's killing of innocents wordlwide) might actually be a possibility. I guess I figure it's worth risking ole Ron's foibles for that one possibility - since it seems there will be no end to the BiPartisan-War-Parties monopoly ... since no single politician is above reproach or capable of bucking the corrupt system.

So, "Just Say NO to Ron Paul".

Alright, wtf's next then?

Never Forget: Bill Clinton Killed a Million Iraqis
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29936

[Elihu]

You have misunderstood the good Dr. Paul's argument on a fundamental level, Barracuda. He himself is neither a racist, nor a bigot. All he wants (all he's ever wanted) is a world where a racist or bigotted business owner would be free to excercise the same rights

as they already do exercise, all the time. ....

your own words!

Is that really too much to ask?

i did enjoy the cheeky humor
...

Monstrous demonstrations of state power like the Civil Rights and Emancipation Acts are an affront to all right-thinking ...

i don't think it's right to juxtapose civil rights with Emancipation. the latter was settled by a civil war. and back to the bold quote above on the former, how's that working out?

some would tell you that "wars" on: terror, intoxicating substances, racism, poverty, disease (hint, they have to be perpetual, found in the human heart or condition or nature, prosecuted by the state with borrowed money and completely beyond the reach of any legislation to effect) typically have as their underlying motivation and actual result, the opposite goals of those publicly stated.

How many lives would be saved if we ended the wars and ended the empire?
I guess I'm just tired of bullshit politics and am dreaming that THAT (ending empire and ending THE COMPLEX's killing of innocents wordlwide) might actually be a possibility. I guess I figure it's worth risking ole Ron's foibles for that one possibility - since it seems there will be no end to the BiPartisan-War-Parties monopoly ... since no single politician is above reproach or capable of bucking the corrupt system.
So, "Just Say NO to Ron Paul".
Alright, wtf's next then?

i'm with you on this one. i asked the war question related to racism, tyranny, bankruptcy the whole nine and got cricket chirping in response. then i scroll the mugs of bama, beoner, pelosi, mccain, geithner, bachman, rangel, romney, lieberman, reid, grahm etal through my mind. i want to accuse mr paul's detractors of blindness to the racket these people are running. they have him so well pegged? well have you got anything else? or just a big bag o nothing?

[barracuda]

Okay. take the "official" US gold holdings (temporarily confiscated in 33) said to be about 8300 tons (check for tungsten). that is about 290 - 300 M troy ounces. divide by the number of 1040 tax returns filed current or under extension for 2010. doesn't matter if they owe, only if they filed. refund that amount of gold to each person/family (my guess is about 1.5 t-oz each). immediately allow gold (alongside paper dollars - either / or) to be payable for all debts public and private at the going market rate at the option of the debtor. let gold and frns compete fairly. immediately open the US mint to the coining of gold tendered by anyone that shows up free of charge. then stand back and watch....

Yeah, stand back and watch the black market in gold run the price up to $20,000 fiat dollars an ounce as businesses and individuals quickly institute unspoken "gold only" payment policies. Great idea for putting the richest people in the country even further in charge. I hope you happen to have a huge stash of gold hidden away somewhere for emegencies after you've spent that first two grand. Whoever has a modicum of physical gold will soon own everyone in their surrounding fiefdoms. Instant "Mad Max" scenario.

i'm with you on this one. i asked the war question related to racism, tyranny, bankruptcy the whole nine and got cricket chirping in response. then i scroll the mugs of bama, beoner, pelosi, mccain, geithner, bachman, rangel, romney, lieberman, reid, grahm etal through my mind. i want to accuse mr paul's detractors of blindness to the racket these people are running. they have him so well pegged? well have you got anything else? or just a big bag o nothing?

Well that's simple enough. Everyone here wants to end the wars, but most people have no interest in the vast group of other legislations consistently supported and espoused by Ron Paul, such as...

Pro-life legislation:

H.R.1095: To prohibit any Federal official from expending any Federal funds for any population control or population planning program or any family planning activity.

H.R.777: To prohibit any Federal official from expending any Federal funds for any population control or population planning program or any family planning activity.

H.R.1548: To prohibit any Federal official from expending any Federal funds for any population control or population planning program or any family planning activity.

H.AMDT.1003 (A024): Amendment no. 17 printed in the Congressional Record to prohibit the use of funding for abortion, family planning, or population control efforts.

H.AMDT.380 (A022): An amendment no. 9 printed in the Congressional Record to prohibit funding for population control or population planning programs; family planning activities; or abortion procedures.

H.AMDT.312 (A011): An amendment, printed as amendment No. 32 in the Congressional Record of July 16, 1997, to prohibit the use of funds appropriated in the bill for Family Planning, birth control or abortion.

H.R.4984: A bill to prohibit the use of funds for the Peace Corps to be used for travel expenses of individuals in order for abortions to be performed on those individuals.

H.R.2597: To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

H.R.1094: To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

H.R.776: To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception

H.R.392: A bill proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States guaranteeing the right to life.

Limiting use of the Federal courts:

H.R.300: To limit the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, and for other purposes.

H.R.4379: To limit the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, and for other purposes.

H.R.5739: To limit the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, and for other purposes.

H.R.3893: To limit the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, and for other purposes.

Reinstitute prayer in schools and destroy the separation between church and state:

H.R.1547: To restore first amendment protections of religion and religious speech.

H.R.4922: To restore first amendment protections of religion and speech.

H.R.5078: To restore first amendment protections of religion and speech.

Erode worker safety guidelines and rules:

H.R.2310: A bill to repeal the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970.

H.R.13264: A bill to repeal the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970

End the minimum wage:

H.R.2962: A bill to repeal all authority of the Federal Government to regulate wages in private employment.

Remove prohibition on kickbacks in Federal projects:

H.R.736: To repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act.

H.R.2720: To repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act.

Weaken and dismantle Social Security:

H.R.2030: A bill to amend the Social Security Act and the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to make social security coverage completely optional for both present and future workers, to freeze benefit levels, to provide for the partial financing of future benefits from general revenues subject to specified conditions, to eliminate the earnings test, to make changes in the tax treatment of IRA accounts, and for other purposes.

H.R.4604: A bill to repeal the recently enacted requirement of mandatory social security coverage for employees of nonprofit organizations.

Gut the 14th Amendment:

H.J.RES.46: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

H.J.RES.46: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

H.J.RES.42: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

Limit environmental protection laws:

H.J.RES.104: To disapprove a rule issued by the Environmental Protection Agency relating to proposed revisions to the national pollutant discharge elimination system program and Federal antidegradation policy and the proposed revisions to the water quality planning and management regulations concerning total maximum daily load.

H.R.3735: To disapprove a rule requiring the use of bycatch reduction devices in the shrimp fishery of the Gulf of Mexico.

H.R.4423: To amend the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act to provide that the Gulf of Mexico red snapper fishery shall be managed in accordance with such fishery management plans, regulations, and other conservation and management as applied to that fishery on April 13, 1998.

H.R.2504: A bill to amend the Clean Air Act to postpone for one year the application of certain restrictions to areas which have failed to attain national ambient air quality standards and to delay for one year the date required for adoption and submission of State implementation plans applicable to these areas, and for other purposes.

H.R.7079: A bill to repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act of 1977.

H.R.7245: A bill to amend section 404 of the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over the discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters which are navigable and for other purposes.

Promote off-shore drilling and end taxation on oil production:

H.R.2415: To reduce the price of gasoline by allowing for offshore drilling, eliminating Federal obstacles to constructing refineries and providing incentives for investment in refineries, suspending Federal fuel taxes when gasoline prices reach a benchmark amount, and promoting free trade.

H.R.4004: To reduce the price of gasoline by allowing for offshore drilling, eliminating Federal obstacles to constructing refineries and providing incentives for investment in refineries, suspending Federal fuel taxes when gasoline prices reach a benchmark amount, and promoting free trade.

H.R.393: A bill to amend section 404 of the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters which are navigable and for other purposes.

H.R.4639: A bill to repeal all Federal regulations and taxes on the production of fuel.

H.R.5293: A bill to prohibit the imposition of unreasonable severance taxes or fees on coal or lignite mined from Federal lands.

Maintain our nuclear launch capabilities at all cost:

H.R.1665: To prohibit the destruction during fiscal year 2002 of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States.

H.R.3769: To prohibit the destruction during fiscal year 2001 of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States.

And end participation in the United Nations:

H.R.1146: To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.

H.R.1146: To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.

H.AMDT.285 (A038): An amendment numbered 11 printed in the Congressional Record to prohibit use of funds in the bill to pay any United States contribution to the United Nations or any affiliated agency of the United Nations

H.R.1146: To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.

H.AMDT.190 (A024): Amendment sought to prohibit use of funds for any U.S. contribution to the UN or any affiliated agency of the UN.

H.AMDT.191 (A025): Amendment sought to prohibit use of funds for use toward any U.S. contribution for UN peacekeeping operations.

H.R.1146: To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.

H.AMDT.306 (A006): Amendment sought to eliminate the authorization of funding for any United Nations program.

H.R.1146: To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.

H.AMDT.138 (A010): Amendment sought to provide for the withdrawal of the United States from the United Nations.

H.R.1146: To provide for complete withdrawal of the United States from the United Nations.

H.R.3890: A bill to limit United States contributions to the United Nations.

H.R.3891: A bill to terminate all participation by the United States in the United Nations, and to remove all privileges, exemptions, and immunities of the United Nations.

H.R.6358: A bill to limit United States contributions to the United Nations.

H.R.14788: A bill to limit U.S. contributions to the United Nations.

And much, much more, unfortunately.

Alright, wtf's next then?

Find a better candidate, or even better - work towards a general strike.

[bks]

Find a better candidate, or even better - work towards a general strike.

Exactly. Fuck Ron Paul, and get down to the business of grinding commerce to a halt while workers still have some cards to play.

Wisconsin raised the specter of a general strike, but didn't follow through. We're getting closer. Times are getting tougher.

[Joe Hillshoist]

This was the real killer, I think. ‘I can’t say or do anything that might cost my neighbor his job [even if it might save his life 20 years from now].

Thats right on.

[Elihu]

Yeah, stand back and watch the black market in gold run the price up to $20,000 fiat dollars an ounce as businesses and individuals quickly institute unspoken "gold only" payment policies.

you've got the idea! except there is no black market. gold is legal for paying all debts! imagine if it shot up to 20K? citizen's 1.5 oz would be worth $30,000. that's the idea. allow them to find their real values in terms of each other. it's not what the gov says it is. it's what reality says it is. what is there to be afraid of?

Great idea for putting the richest people in the country even further in charge.

they already are now. why would anyone defend their franchise? we're all worried about the currency. we know one is failing (failing the people, not the banksters) and there is a strong alternative. one with a history and a legal basis.

I hope you happen to have a huge stash of gold hidden away somewhere for emegencies after you've spent that first two grand.

see the original post about flowing gold versus hoarded gold. (on the gold batman thread: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=32909&start=45) see my comment about opening the mint to coinage. people will spend the coin when there is confidence they can get another (circulating medium).

Whoever has a modicum of physical gold will soon own everyone in their surrounding fiefdoms.

they already do. see my post about the extant 160,000 metric tons of gold, more than half of which is un-accounted for. it's in private hoards. i'm gonna go out on a limb here: rothschild? kuhn loeb? royal family? isreal? think they have any of those 1000g good delivery bars? its appalling the official secrecy surrounding gold. and here's my other point. as coin vs frn's find their balance, people with those hoards will be prompted to disgorge them in order to obtain the same goods and services they enjoy now via paper. and remember, they control the printing presses.

Instant "Mad Max" scenario.

may i be so bold as to declare a consensus that we're headed there now?

"i didn't say it would be easy neo. i only said it would be the truth" -- morpheus

imagine the scenario IF it worked (and i believe it would). a re-balancing, a restoration, new hope, and all without a general strike or a violent revolution.

[Elihu]

Well that's simple enough. Everyone here wants to end the wars, but most people have no interest in the vast group of other legislations consistently supported and espoused by Ron Paul, such as...

sorry, couldn't leave this war thing alone. SG gave me a rap that stung:

Please show me an explanation of how auditing or destroying the Federal Reserve will lead to a more egalitarian society? How will it strike a blow against international capitalism and actually empower people to live with reduced impact on the environment? Its not like the banks and corporations are just going to roll over and say, "Ugh, ok, got us...the gigs up".

http://professorfekete.com/articles%5CA ... andard.pdf

Huh? Typical gold standard "Libertarian" bullshit.
From the article:

Optimism should become wide-spread because the money of the nation would once more have the quality of integrity. The problem of credit-control should be easier to solve. Business enterprise should expand, domestically as well and internationally, and on a sounder basis. Gold should flow in from abroad. Imbalances in foreign trade should rectify themselves.

don't know why he pulls some platitudes when i had more substance in mind. from the article:

The ability of people to put pressure on
the banks and the government through
demanding gold is destroyed. With the
destruction of that individual right the
power of the purse passes from ultimate
control by the people to unrestrainable
control by the government....Once the government grabs the public
purse, its power becomes uncontrollable....The
quality of integrity in the currency is
destroyed. Lacking that virtue, the
monetary bloodstream contaminates the
economic, political, and social system of
the nation and fosters widespread corruption....As problems in foreign trade mount,
governments find excuses for more or
different controls. A huge bureaucracy is
developed to manage these international
problems. There is no foreseeable end to
these procedures...Frequent
official words to the contrary are designed
to be reassuring or to allay fears; but they
have no important effect in arresting the
course being pursued...A government can take unrestrainable
control of the people either by the use of
military force, or by the use of irredeemable
currency. The former is readily understood;
the latter is a subtle national drug
that is not generally understood, and is
readily embraced by its victims. It is,
consequently, a favorite device of modern
governments that desire to bring the people
under thoroughgoing control, for it enables
the government to succeed and, at the same
time, to have the general, even vigorous,
approval of the great mass of people.
The world is literally drugged with
irredeemable currency, and with government
management and dictatorship as
consequences. Under this intoxication
there is strong agitation for more and more
national spending, more and more government
controls, and more and more debt....Most unfortunately, mainstream economists
have been working aggressively for a
governmentally managed economy, or
riding quietly with the tide that is moving
in that direction....It is useless to expect a mass movement on
behalf of a sound currency. The daily
experiences of people are such that they
confirm in their minds the alleged virtues
and benefits of irredeemable currency....Even
the loss of purchasing power does not
disturb them to any great extent – their
chief response is to try to get more and
more of it. The bloating and distortions of
business indexes are readily accepted as
evidence of economic health. Heavy taxes
and mountainous debt are not regarded
with anxiety. A frequent or common
agitation is for ever more national
spending....If we are to be saved from the ultimate
evil consequences of using irredeemable
currency, needed action should come from
top national officials. Such reforms call for
statesmanship. The President and Secretary
of the Treasury must be statesmen, act as
informed and tough monetary surgeons,
men who can and will persuade Congress
to re-instate redeemable currency. Once that step is taken, the people
should experience a breath of fresh air and
be on the course leading to better days – to
a better government that is willing to abide
by the Constitution, to greater freedom for
the people; in short, to more responsibility
by the government and by the banks.

is any of this resonating? must not have read the whole article. written in 1960, does that not sound like today? the war will stop when the money to pay for it stops. imo, it's ludicrous to say "of course we want the war stopped, but the alternative of doing so is worse!" really?

[Joe Hillshoist]

I guess I'm just tired of bullshit politics and am dreaming that THAT (ending empire and ending THE COMPLEX's killing of innocents wordlwide) might actually be a possibility. I guess I figure it's worth risking ole Ron's foibles for that one possibility - since it seems there will be no end to the BiPartisan-War-Parties monopoly ... since no single politician is above reproach or capable of bucking the corrupt system.

So, "Just Say NO to Ron Paul".

Alright, wtf's next then?

I don't know the answer to your question. Certainly Obama is no saviour and no one the other side is either. But Ron Paul won't end empire. He profits directly from it. Via investments in (among others) one of the most irresponsible companies on the planet.

Faith in him is just like faith in any other politician.

[SonicG]

=> Elihu
Yeah, I did pull something from the end but, seriously, that whole thing reads like coded platitudes to return to some halcyon days before the New Deal:

Under this intoxication
there is strong agitation for more and more
national spending, more and more government
controls, and more and more debt....Most unfortunately, mainstream economists
have been working aggressively for a
governmentally managed economy, or
riding quietly with the tide that is moving
in that direction....

Didn't realize it was from the 60s but yeah, sure sounds like it. I have to laugh at the idea of a "government-managed economy" in the US where it so much in the hands of corporations and financial institutions that this type of language is always trotted out by so-called Libertarian Republicans to further cut out the already full of holes social safety net.

is any of this resonating? must not have read the whole article. written in 1960, does that not sound like today? the war will stop when the money to pay for it stops. imo, it's ludicrous to say "of course we want the war stopped, but the alternative of doing so is worse!" really?

The answer is something tricky back-end run to starve the federal government, the answer is to end the wars for their immorality and fact that they serve the corporate overlords. The evil isn't that the government taxes and spends, its that it taxes and hands money over to the military industrial complex and already wealthy corporations.

Once that step is taken, the people should experience a breath of fresh air and be on the course leading to better days

35-hour work weeks? 4-week vacations in summer?? Free wifi??

[Marie Laveau]

Here is a perfect example of the malignant naivete- perhaps even stupidity- of the Randian libertarians:

Ron Paul: We should go back to 1900.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/2 ... 39131.html

Yeeeessssss......almost 400,000,000 million people, all dependent upon a massively complex system, INCLUDING RON PAUL AND HIS FAMILY, and going back to 1900 is the answer to it all.

I honestly think this guy is just playing his part. Just exactly as Obama and Gore and all of them.

I swear, sometimes when I read the horrifically insane things that Glenn Beck and Limbaugh and those dip shits say, I can only picture them getting a phone call in the morning, with instructions for their day, and them saying, "I am NOT going to say that!" And their handlers saying, "We own you, we made you, and you WILL say it." I think that about Ron Paul when he says really, REALLY stupid stuff like this.

Otherwise, as Lewis Black said when asked why he never did jokes about Sarah Palin, "Because I couldn't live in a world if I thought she was really real and really believed what she said. That's why I never do jokes about her."

[Searcher08]

Here is a perfect example of the malignant naivete- perhaps even stupidity- of the Randian libertarians:

A phrase like 'malignant naievete' troubles me, because it's one of those phrase that when first read, sounds powerfuland insightful - however when one comes back and after some reflection - finds it means nothing. It's a kinda cognitive drive-by

Then I tried to make sense of this statement but could not, so perhaps you could tell me what a 'Randian libertarian' is?
Because it makes as much sense as calling someone a Gandhian warlord or a Hitlerian judeaphile.
http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer? ... bertarians
Ayn Rand had nothing but total, utter contempt for libertarians.

When I read a lot of what you write Marie, I feel you are very angry.
Is that accurate?

[Marie Laveau]

Why, thank you for parsing out my post.

Funny, I think I've noticed that Paul's son is named RAND. So, she might have had contempt for libertarians (were libertarians even around when old Ayn was alive?) but, obviously, Ron Paul doesn't have contempt for her. Does he?

And, now that Ayn Rand has been thoroughly (and very, very easily) exposed for the douchebag, non-business owner, fairy dust imbicile that she was, all the libertarians are distancing themselves from her. Nice.

Er.....fuck yes I'm angry. I've spent the past thirty years watching the neo-con Randian jackasses destroy the entire planet (do you want me to make a list?) and now that the icing is finally on their cake and the planet and the economy (which was pretty much based on Randian principes anyway-just not on the "libertarian" steroids they've been on) is completely destroyed, people are still yapping about the efficacy of Ron Paul, his RANDIAN ideology, and how if we'd STILL just give business a chance without all those pesky rules and regulations....IF WE'D JUST GO BACK TO 1900.....why, then we'd see the true beauty of the life of a business and TRUE capitalism unfettered by commies.

Oh, and in reality, there isn't a dimes worth of difference between communism and capitalism. They both rape Mother Earth, put her guts into a machine, and puke out worthless crap that ends up in a landfill (at the most "ideal") or the oceans. My god, I wish Ayn Rand had had a shot at her dream. I'd really like to see that invisibility cloud she talked about at the end of Atlas Shrugged. All those rich, brillant *tee hee* people being able to hide under a big invisibility cloak, big enough that they can continue their pipe dream. I wonder who they had to cook, wash dishes, and clean their toilets?

[Marie Laveau]

Then I tried to make sense of this statement but could not, so perhaps you could tell me what a 'Randian libertarian' is?
Because it makes as much sense as calling someone a Gandhian warlord or a Hitlerian judeaphile.

A "RANDIAN" libertarian?

Ron Paul

or

RAND Paul

[Searcher08]

Why, thank you for parsing out my post.

Funny, I think I've noticed that Paul's son is named RAND. So, she might have had contempt for libertarians (were libertarians even around when old Ayn was alive?) but, obviously, Ron Paul doesn't have contempt for her. Does he?

And, now that Ayn Rand has been thoroughly (and very, very easily) exposed for the douchebag, non-business owner, fairy dust imbicile that she was, all the libertarians are distancing themselves from her. Nice.

Er.....fuck yes I'm angry. I've spent the past thirty years watching the neo-con Randian jackasses destroy the entire planet (do you want me to make a list?) and now that the icing is finally on their cake and the planet and the economy (which was pretty much based on Randian principes anyway-just not on the "libertarian" steroids they've been on) is completely destroyed, people are still yapping about the efficacy of Ron Paul, his RANDIAN ideology, and how if we'd STILL just give business a chance without all those pesky rules and regulations....IF WE'D JUST GO BACK TO 1900.....why, then we'd see the true beauty of the life of a business and TRUE capitalism unfettered by commies.

Oh, and in reality, there isn't a dimes worth of difference between communism and capitalism. They both rape Mother Earth, put her guts into a machine, and puke out worthless crap that ends up in a landfill (at the most "ideal") or the oceans. My god, I wish Ayn Rand had had a shot at her dream. I'd really like to see that invisibility cloud she talked about at the end of Atlas Shrugged. All those rich, brillant *tee hee* people being able to hide under a big invisibility cloak, big enough that they can continue their pipe dream. I wonder who they had to cook, wash dishes, and clean their toilets?

How empowering is you metaphor to you -
Rape, disembowelling and dysentry?

For me personally, it sure doesnt inspire me to action in the moment.
It speaks much more to letting ones spirit be screwed over by the world and getting very bent out of shape about it. Like at the beginning of The Fountainhead - there is a character (the old architect who the hero goes to work for), meant to portray a person who ONLY notices how awful the world is and sees in in terrible detail. They only see the world as something which crushes the human spirit to nothing and ironically, they become what they focus on.

What would have happened in Galt's Gulch would have been similar to what happened after she died - fracturing and multiple interpretations with all but a few people talking shite. IRL that would be people like Nathaniel Branden.

Conflating Rand with a statist philosophy like the NeoConservatism and conflate pro war, pro MIC NeoCons with anti war anti MIC Ron Paul doesnt make sense to me.






Hmm At the beginning of The Fountainhead movie, there is a scene of a man raging against the shit of the world