Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby DrVolin » Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:36 pm

Hugh, you know I am a fan of your work. I think you will find few regular posters on this board, and I imagine few lurkers, who will disagree that keyword control and engineering is an important topic, and that mass media plays an important role in social propaganda. I would even expect that most would agree that mass media propaganda makes ample use of keyword engineering. The links you post on the first page of this thread should be of interest to all. So in theory, RigInt should be fertile ground for your efforts.

Personally, I agree that there are clear examples of films releases, both major and minor, and of news stories, that are used to frame, as you would put it, the public's associations and expectations. If a story or an idea are serious and potentially troublesome, use a movie to cast them as comedic or childish, for example. Keyword engineering, is part of the arsenal for these operations.

Problems begin when you identify and try to document specific examples, and especially when you try to link them to alleged motives for deflecting attention from certain events or framing certain ideas. For example, when you present a particular instance of alleged KWH, typically a poster will ask you for documentation that might show at least motive and opportunity on the part of any agent or agency. Instead of interpreting that as a useful prompt to investigate the particular historical sequence relevant to this event, and interpret it in the light of your general KWH ideas, you tend to see it as an attack on your theoretical system. Your response is to default to a defense of the theoretical principles on which there is already wide agreement at RI. Needless to say, this can lead to an unproductive non-dialogue in which posters question specific instances, and you respond with broad theoretical statements.

Pick two or three examples that are especially clear to you and explain them focusing on journalism's traditional five double ewes. Try to pick examples on the significance of which we can all agree. Another of your problems is that many often see your examples as trivial or as so near the edge of what the average person knows or cares about, that they can't believe any considerable resources would be expended in engineering them. Was there KWH of the term Pentagon Papers months before their release? Was the term Ground Zero re-engineered in late 90s? At least that level of significance for a meaningful discussion.

For once, take it for granted that all your readers agree with you on a theoretical baseline that KWH is a reality, that it is a significant tool of the spookaucracy, and that all we need to do is fill in the details. Who is responsible for this particular instance? Why? How was it accomplished? etc. Then I think we can start having a meaningful discussion. And perhaps you can try to move beyond very general examples such as the well documented Pentagon influence on Hollywood screenwriting. That really belongs to the general theoretical background rather than to the specific documentation of a particular instance of word hijack for a clear and compelling ulterior motive.

I for one would be very happy to see such a discussion and to participate.
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:11 pm

This is from the Was Carl Sagan in on it? thread, and as far as I can tell, it's the most practical and likely explanation for KWH that's appeared on this site:

psynapz wrote:To use an example I've used here before, if I bring up crop circles in conversation with someone who doesn't study them, I am likely to watch my fellow conversant immediately and automatically respond to this idea with something to the effect of, "Oh, I thought that just turned out to be a couple of dudes with ropes and planks."

You see what happened there? One story in one news cycle with video of two dudes making a circle with ropes and planks admitting in an interview to being responsible for all of England's crop circle phenomenon just for a good laugh, and now everybody in the world who doesn't know shit about the subject won't learn shit about the subject, because they've experienced proximity contamination which biased them to a dismissive pre-judgement which would preempt any thought of personal inquiry into the subject, and/or inoculate them against a mind-virus so destructive to the status quo, or the long-term plans of human monsters with money.


These two posts are from that same thread, though, and perfectly illustrate the problem a lot of us have with Hugh's methods:

Mikey wrote:Vic arrived one morning and was shown the Porsche which he asked to be started up, he then took a wooden spoon out of his bag and leaned right into the engine bay and seemed to bite down on the spoon end and placed the end of the handle on the engine block and started to wave his hands back and forth while humming these strange sounds. I was trying hard not to laugh and looked round at my fello workers who were quite serious and respectful. I shut my mouth and after ten or so minutes (a long time to have your head in a Porsche engine bay) he stood up and told our head mech that whoever rebuilt the engine had left grinding paste on the valve stems which were eating away at the block letting oil into the cylinders....job done.

Sometimes we point and laugh at people who make our reality seem a little skewed and strange. I think Hugh is one of those people. I haven't got a clue if this has any relevance but there you go had to share.


Wombaticus Rex wrote:Now imagine that, every single time you guys made the call to Vic, his answer was always the same. Imagine you were having a conversation about whether or not to replace a muffler and Vic came in and told you about the grinding paste on the valve stems, again. Imagine if you were hanging out in the front office, talking about Carl Sagan, and Vic walked by talking about Sagan's valve stems. That's a little closer to our situation here.

Now Vic becomes the topic of conversation instead of Carl Sagan. Another small victory for Vic.
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Nordic » Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:17 pm

Searcher08 wrote:Dugong of LoveMuffinry
Really Jolly Newscycle Walrus
Free Willy Metatag
Pinniped Pursues Propaganda


would have not lasted


No, but it's a fine bit of Haiku-like poetry all the same!

Wait. You just manipulated me with those keywords. DOH!
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Project Willow » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:44 pm

psynapz wrote:You see what happened there? One story in one news cycle with video of two dudes making a circle with ropes and planks admitting in an interview to being responsible for all of England's crop circle phenomenon just for a good laugh, and now everybody in the world who doesn't know shit about the subject won't learn shit about the subject, because they've experienced proximity contamination which biased them to a dismissive pre-judgement which would preempt any thought of personal inquiry into the subject, and/or inoculate them against a mind-virus so destructive to the status quo, or the long-term plans of human monsters with money.


That's exactly what's happening to Sybil right now and DID too.

For those who aren't here solely for entertainment, I need a herd of people to reddit, tweet, facebook, stumple upon this blog post: http://didiva.com/2011/10/sybil-the-nathan-defamation/

Please consider lending a hand. Thank you.

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As for this thread, this shit is fucked up diversionary, self-serving and bullshit.

The same as your contribution to the Sybil thread which simultaneously added to the pain and stress of the situation and rendered the thread useless as a center for counter actions. I can't invite people here to participate, they'd see your posts and think I'm nuts.

CIA could not have done a better job.
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:03 pm

^^Done and done, I'll keep 'em in circulation this week, too. Great clean writing btw.
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Project Willow » Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:09 pm

Thank you Wombat!
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Nordic » Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:06 pm

Project Willow wrote:CIA could not have done a better job.



I agree. Hugh is THE REASON I don't recommend this site to anyone else. Ever.

He's his own worst enemy, bar none.
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:40 pm

In the Sybil thread:

I focused attention:
> at the reality of CIA trauma strategies as mind control
> at the author's spook ties and agenda in 1973 and 1985.
> at the title's negative framing of a woman who could expose the biggest scandals of the CIA's Vietnam War including the hoax of the Gulf of Tonkin AND the abandonment of US POW's.

I exposed Nathan's agenda of disinformation as carefully timed psyops.

.... but [R.I. username} does not approve of this. And tries to villainize me. And also does not accept CIA media .
Yah, right. Got it.
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:45 pm

It just didn't belong in that thread, Hugh. You came off as hugely disrespectful to actual victims of actual crimes and really, the Gulf of Tonkin? That's more relevant than abuse survivors and attacks on the very legitimacy/existence of their abuse? It's the most tonedeaf thing I have ever seen you do here.
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:00 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:It just didn't belong in that thread, Hugh. You came off as hugely disrespectful to actual victims of actual crimes and really, the Gulf of Tonkin? That's more relevant than abuse survivors and attacks on the very legitimacy/existence of their abuse? It's the most tonedeaf thing I have ever seen you do here.


"Disrespectful?" Duck.
I have [actual physical] wounds from devastating childhood physical abuse myself. Don't high-horse me, mod, in the name of misdirectioneers.
AND I have a relative who helped prosecute Nazi war criminals inj post-WII Germany. A family tradition I cherish.

Trauma-conditioning at the MASS MEDIA level is a military strategy of imprinting PTSD on a recruitable demographic condiioned to accept a world view that "Might Makes Right."

SYBIL Stockdale had an entire bogus war's most dangerous information in her grasp. Admiral James Stockdale's whistleblowing is a US-Nazi's worst nightmare.

Abuse is SO common and is a national security asset of social engineering. Despite what gate-keeping board trolls attempt to set as
electric-fence no-go zones of psyops military culture.

No, I don't accept the gate-keeping agenda of RI's trolls. And the misdirection pumped out by the likes of [RI username} to PREVENT exposing CIA projects against millions...only makes too much sense.
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:14 pm

I...really don't think your personal history changes your actions. I can see why you would, of course. The fact you'd see PW as a troll instead of an ally is just beyond sad. There's really no room in your tent for any other issue or agenda, huh?
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:45 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:I...really don't think your personal history changes your actions. I can see why you would, of course.

Yeah, being kicked to the ground as a child gives me an authentic viewpoint of trauma conditioning at a first-hand basis.
Experiencing full-blown PTSD at the age of nine is an education one does not dismiss lightly, thenk-you-verry-much.

WR wrote:The fact you'd see PW as a troll instead of an ally is just beyond sad.

You got it 100% ass-backwards.
Project Willow has posted TO ME that there is 'no statistical affirmation of CIA media so shut up about that.'

OMG! That's right. PW is all about 'it's own victimization' but the rest of the planet?
"No way and shut up!"
Yeah, right. That's troll speak.

WR wrote:There's really no room in your tent for any other issue or agenda, huh?

I work with history and science of military (national security state) social control.

What do you work with?
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:06 am

Reducing a social control topic to username combat is psyops minimization.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_analysis

According to Dr. Klaus Krippendorff (1980 and 2004), six questions must be addressed in every content analysis:
Which data are analysed?
How are they defined?
What is the population from which they are drawn?
What is the context relative to which the data are analysed?
What are the boundaries of the analysis?
What is the target of the inferences?
The assumption is that words and phrases mentioned most often are those reflecting important concerns in every communication. Therefore, quantitative content analysis starts with word frequencies, space measurements (column centimeters/inches in the case of newspapers), time counts (for radio and television time) and keyword frequencies. However, content analysis extends far beyond plain word counts, e.g. with Keyword In Context routines words can be analysed in their specific context to be disambiguated. Synonyms and homonyms can be isolated in accordance to linguistic properties of a language.
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Project Willow » Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:09 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Project Willow has posted TO ME that there is 'no statistical affirmation of CIA media so shut up about that.'


Liar.
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Re: Keywords Rule...but Jeff Wells can't seem to see this.

Postby Project Willow » Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:13 am

And the fact that you are engaging in this self-serving diversion in the midst of an attack on survivors of in-meat-space torture conditioning speaks volumes against your entire project.

Stop it.
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