Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")

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Re: Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")

Postby Simulist » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:42 pm

First this:
undead wrote:It was a rhetorical question. I am well aware of the need to focus on these problems.


And then, this:
undead wrote:
Simulist wrote:And maybe there's a point to focusing on similar MKULTRA abuses, too. In fact, I'm quite certain there is.


I'd like to hear what exactly is the purpose to focus on the subject.

Okay, I'm experiencing a bit of a disconnect there between what you appeared to me to be saying, and what you appear to have just now said.

undead wrote:I would immediately answer that the purpose is to find a solution, but that is not the same as telling everyone about the abuse in lurid detail. When you just go on and on about problems without focusing on solutions, it is demoralizing. Most people literally can not comprehend MKULTRA. It is really a highly specific topic and the details are not relevant to most people.

Uh, yes they are relevant; in fact, they are extremely relevant to most people — in similar ways that dioxin's presence in the human diet is relevant to "most people," even though they either are not aware of it, or choose not to be.
undead wrote:Yes the truth that it happened and continues to happen is important. Beyond that, most of the details are not relevant to people who have their own real and serious problems to think about.

Just the fact that similar abuses continue to this day at a much higher rate is reason enough not to focus on the details of something that happened fifty years ago. For historical context education is important to know, but when it comes to details wouldn't it be better to focus on what is happening now?

To read this is somewhat surprising, I must say. Most especially from someone of your clear intellect, Undead.

The answer about why MKULTRA is relevant is simple.

MKULTRA is relevant not just because it was an historical truth, but also because the culture that was created by MKULTRA (and related projects) still exists and is still operative and fully-functional today. (And, fifty years out, probably even more "fully-functional" than it was then.)

You're talking about this like it was "fifty years ago," and that was it.

Do you honestly think that thought manipulation (even outright mind control) became operative "fifty years ago," and the manipulators just forgot all about it? You can't honestly think that.

And if you don't honestly think that, then you see MKULTRA's relevance today.
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Re: Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")

Postby undead » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:49 pm

AD wrote:However, if Terrence was orienting people to psychedelics, it seems like these aspects should be acknowledged. They would help people to avoid becoming victims of the full array of techniques that might be used against them, to avoid becoming cannon fodder in the War on Drugs, to recognize when others are being victimized etc.


Yes, it would have been nice for Terence to do that for us. Unfortunately he wasn't up to it. One person can only do so much. It would be great if a person who broadcasts to many people would acknowledge and explore these subjects, but doing so tends to reduce the audience substantially. If he talked about MKULTRA publicly, he would not have had the audience, so what would the purpose be?

I agree that it is a subject that needs to be addressed and Daniel Pinchbeck is a direct result of the lack of awareness of MKULTRA and related issues. Somebody should tell people, but most people do not want to be told and will not listen. It is extremely frustrating.
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Re: Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")

Postby Simulist » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:51 pm

Dear Old Hammer wrote:I think, my dear Simulist, that you misread my post.

Glad to hear that. ;)
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Re: Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")

Postby American Dream » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:56 pm

undead wrote:
AD wrote:However, if Terrence was orienting people to psychedelics, it seems like these aspects should be acknowledged. They would help people to avoid becoming victims of the full array of techniques that might be used against them, to avoid becoming cannon fodder in the War on Drugs, to recognize when others are being victimized etc.


Yes, it would have been nice for Terence to do that for us. Unfortunately he wasn't up to it. One person can only do so much. It would be great if a person who broadcasts to many people would acknowledge and explore these subjects, but doing so tends to reduce the audience substantially. If he talked about MKULTRA publicly, he would not have had the audience, so what would the purpose be?

I agree that it is a subject that needs to be addressed and Daniel Pinchbeck is a direct result of the lack of awareness of MKULTRA and related issues. Somebody should tell people, but most people do not want to be told and will not listen. It is extremely frustrating.


To me, a central question concerns whether my friend's hunches about Terrence MCKenna were at all valid. If so, the implications of that sort of "rigorous intution" would be enormous. If invalid, then I have been perhaps unfair to dear old Terrence by raising these issues at all. Most likely, we'll never have enough information to know for sure about (possible) activity like this that (may) exist in the shadows....
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Re: Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")

Postby undead » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:58 pm

Simulist wrote:First this:
undead wrote:It was a rhetorical question. I am well aware of the need to focus on these problems.


And then, this:
undead wrote:
Simulist wrote:And maybe there's a point to focusing on similar MKULTRA abuses, too. In fact, I'm quite certain there is.


I'd like to hear what exactly is the purpose to focus on the subject.

Okay, I'm experiencing a bit of a disconnect there between what you appeared to me to be saying, and what you appear to have just now said.

undead wrote:I would immediately answer that the purpose is to find a solution, but that is not the same as telling everyone about the abuse in lurid detail. When you just go on and on about problems without focusing on solutions, it is demoralizing. Most people literally can not comprehend MKULTRA. It is really a highly specific topic and the details are not relevant to most people.

Uh, yes they are relevant; in fact, they are extremely relevant to most people — in similar ways that dioxin's presence in the human diet is relevant to "most people," even though they either are not aware of it, or choose not to be.
undead wrote:Yes the truth that it happened and continues to happen is important. Beyond that, most of the details are not relevant to people who have their own real and serious problems to think about.

Just the fact that similar abuses continue to this day at a much higher rate is reason enough not to focus on the details of something that happened fifty years ago. For historical context education is important to know, but when it comes to details wouldn't it be better to focus on what is happening now?

To read this is somewhat surprising, I must say. Most especially from someone of your clear intellect, Undead.

The answer about why MKULTRA is relevant is simple.

MKULTRA is relevant not just because it was an historical truth, but also because the culture that was created by MKULTRA (and related projects) still exists and is still operative and fully-functional today. (And, fifty years out, probably even more "fully-functional" than it was then.)

You're talking about this like it was "fifty years ago," and that was it.

Do you honestly think that thought manipulation (even outright mind control) became operative "fifty years ago," and the manipulators just forgot all about it? You can't honestly think that.

And if you don't honestly think that, then you see MKULTRA's relevance today.


No, I really do understand, I just wanted to hear you say it because I have MKULTRA fatigue.

In short, I think that making people aware of MKULTRA requires a lot of education on other subjects, and oftentimes it is better to focus on that, because it usually just makes people upset. And I am a person who is known as the guy who is always going on and on about government conspiracies (in real life), so I have considered this quite a bit in the interest of maintaining contact with other human beings in real life.

There are a lot of really urgent issues that need to be addressed. This one point is not always the most important to focus on.
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Re: Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")

Postby Simulist » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:04 pm

undead wrote:In short, I think that making people aware of MKULTRA requires a lot of education on other subjects, and oftentimes it is better to focus on that, because it usually just makes people upset.

I strongly disagree.

It takes little "education on other subjects" to demonstrate to common people that mind control is so fully functional and so easily deployed that a common secretary who didn't like guns, could be hypnotized (in 1954!) to point a gun at another woman, and pull the trigger — and then be caused to forget all about the incident.

That's what the manipulators could do then.
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Re: Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")

Postby undead » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:17 pm

Simulist wrote:
undead wrote:In short, I think that making people aware of MKULTRA requires a lot of education on other subjects, and oftentimes it is better to focus on that, because it usually just makes people upset.

I strongly disagree.

It takes little "education on other subjects" to demonstrate to common people that mind control is so fully functional and so easily deployed that a common secretary who didn't like guns, could be hypnotized (in 1954!) to point a gun at another woman, and pull the trigger — and then be caused to forget all about the incident.

That's what the manipulators could do then.


Yes it does require education on other subjects, like a basic historical background, which Americans usually don't have at all. Just for starters.
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Re: Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")

Postby Simulist » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:38 pm

undead wrote:
Simulist wrote:
undead wrote:In short, I think that making people aware of MKULTRA requires a lot of education on other subjects, and oftentimes it is better to focus on that, because it usually just makes people upset.

I strongly disagree.

It takes little "education on other subjects" to demonstrate to common people that mind control is so fully functional and so easily deployed that a common secretary who didn't like guns, could be hypnotized (in 1954!) to point a gun at another woman, and pull the trigger — and then be caused to forget all about the incident.

That's what the manipulators could do then.


Yes it does require education on other subjects, like a basic historical background, which Americans usually don't have at all. Just for starters.

I still disagree. All people need to know is that this is possible and has happened — and that can be demonstrated quite simply.

But people don't get even that. And why don't they get even that?

Well, in too great a measure, because of arguments like you're making right now.
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Re: Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")

Postby undead » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:51 pm

Simulist wrote:All people need to know is that this is possible and has happened


... and then what happens? I mean, I don't think that this is the only thing people need to know generally speaking. Other things do exist. I don't think that's what you meant, though.
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Postby Simulist » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:00 pm

You're right; that's not what I meant. ;)

What happens then is potentially a wonderful thing: doubt begins to set in. Because if it's indeed possible to manipulate common people into doing things that they would not otherwise even dream of doing, and then causing them to forget even that they ever did it (and this is possible), then what might that suggest about… well, pretty much everything we've come to believe to be true? And what does that suggest as possible even about our own beliefs right now, and ourselves?

Doubt: the beginning of wisdom.
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Re: Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")

Postby Hammer of Los » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:09 pm

...

Universal doubt, or thoroughgoing agnosticism, is something I practice.

That is the beginning, you are right.

The next step is, where a doubt arises, seek a means to resolve that doubt.

Then er, just do it.

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Re: Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")

Postby undead » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:27 pm

Simulist wrote:You're right; that's not what I meant. ;)

What happens then is potentially a wonderful thing: doubt begins to set in. Because if it's indeed possible to manipulate common people into doing things that they would not otherwise even dream of doing, and then causing them to forget even that they ever did it (and this is possible), then what might that suggest about… well, pretty much everything we've come to believe to be true? And what does that suggest as possible even about our own beliefs right now, and ourselves?

Doubt: the beginning of wisdom.


Yes, I agree. And I wish more people knew about MKULTRA. And I tell people about it at every reasonable opportunity, much to their dismay, as is always the case when one informs a person ignorant of this subject. There are certain subjects that are not best to lead with, though. For example consider the differences between the Occupy movement and the 9/11 Truth movement.
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Postby American Dream » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:12 pm

More from The Covert War Against Rock, by Alex Constantine:

Parapolitical Stars in the Dope Show


BOOKS WERE BANNED, BOOK SHOPS CLOSED DOWN. OFFICES AND SOCIAL CENTRES
WERE BROKEN INTO AND THEIR FILES WERE REMOVED, DOUBTLESS TO BE FED INTO
THE POLICE COMPUTERS. UNDERGROUND PAPERS AND MAGAZINES COLLAPSED
UNDER THE WEIGHT OF OFFICIAL PRESSURE, GALLERIES AND CINEMAS HAD WHOLE
SHOWS CONFISCATED. ARTISTS, WRITERS, MUSICIANS AND COUNTLESS UNIDENTIFIED
HIPPIES GOT DRAGGED THROUGH THE COURTS TO ANSWER TRUMPED-UP CHARGES OF
CORRUPTION, OBSCENITY, DRUG-ABUSE, ANYTHING THAT MIGHT SILENCE THEIR
VOICES.


-- PENNY RIMBAUD, CRASS (ANARCHIST UK PUNK BAND)


The nation entered a mode of heightened security after the appearance of alien youth that grew its hair long and balked at the idea of hurling itself into the Asian inferno. This was the summer of the Denver Pop Festival at Mile High Stadium, featuring Jimi Hendrix, Joe Cocker, the Mothers of Invention and Credence Clearwater Revival, among other emerging acts. The festival was marred by slugfests between club-swinging cops, gatecrashers, and-foreshadowing the hellish landscape of Altamont-bikers hired to maintain security. Thousands in the stadium were forced onto the field when tear gas wafted through the stands, a police response to bottle-throwing gate-crashers. The next day, the police arrived armed to the molars. Some 300 cops with police dogs assembled at the foot of a hill where a group of non-paying long-hairs sat listening to "free music." The police brought along a weapon called the "Pepper Fog," a device that pumped plumes of tear gas and scalding mace. They were also armed with high-caliber rifles loaded with bird shot.

The mood of the crowd was idyllic. Nevertheless, the authorities cranked up the Pepper Fog machine, and its loud motor attracted the attention of some concert-goers who wandered down the hill to investigate. A single watermelon rind flung by a young rocker or provocateur arced into the platoon of cops. Immediately, the rind toss was addressed by a huge cloud of choking and blistering Pepper Fog. Everyone on the hill swallowed the gas.

Police clubbed anyone caught scaling the fence to crash the concert, even women, into a sorry state of submission. To force a mass confrontation, the men in blue marched into the stadium with their rifles raised -- but there was no show of resistance from the crowd. After the event, the Denver police chief mislaid blame for the violence on the American Liberation Front, a group of anti-war activists who had recently held a "live-in" at City Park to demonstrate that "revolution through music is possible." [1]

A clandestine counter revolt was waged by the intelligence agencies and their allies in the corporate sector. Former FBI agent Paul Rothermeil told reporter Peter Noyes that he had been asked by Texas Millionaire Nelson Bunker Hunt (his father, bombastic ultra-conservative H.L Hunt, was a suspect in the killing of John Kennedy; Nelson himself was at one time among the world's wealthiest men, the sole title-holder to all of the oil reserves in Libya) to form a "killer force" in Southern California to prey on liberal organizations and peace activists. Hunt's death squads would recruit from the John Birch Society (a fascist front that received generous financial support from the Texan) and train in the desert. The killers were to be armed with exotic "gas guns" manufactured in Europe. These beauties induced heart attacks that deceived any coroner. Rothermeil refused the offer, and shortly thereafter discovered that his telephone had been tapped by the millionaire's private security force. [2]

LSD appeared on the streets as if on cue to destabilize student dissent. More potent drugs used in federally-sponsored behavior modification studies also found their way to society at large. STP, a hallucinogen developed by the Dow Chemical Company in 1964, was considered an "incapacitating agent" by scientists on the CIA payroll. Research subjects were rendered semi-comatose for several days after dropping the hallucinogen. In 1967, Lee and Shlain report in Acid Dreams, "for some inexplicable reason, the formuIa for STP was released to the scientific community at large."

Five thousand tablets of STP were distributed in Haight-Ashbury as the "Summer of Love" embarked. "Few had heard of the drug, but that didn't matter to the crowd of eager pill poppers. They gobbled the gift as if it were an after-dinner mint." Some of the attendees were still tripping three days later. Emergency wards in San Francisco were choked with freaking bohemians.

Phencylidine, or PCP, an animal tranquilizer sold by Parke-Davis, made its first appearance in San Francisco's bohemian underground, one of many mind-blistering drugs that spilled from the CIA's medicine cabinet into the streets of San Francisco. [6]

The marketing possibilities were not lost on La Cosa Nostra, of course. The Mob revived its Prohibition role, opened mass production labs and a meticulously organized a network of traffickers to move black market hallucinogens. [7]

Lee and Shlain ask, "And what was the CIA up to?":

According to a former CIA contract employee, Agency personnel helped underground chemists set up LSD laboratories in the Bay Area during the Summer of Love to "Monitor" events in the acid ghetto. But why, if this assertion is true, would the CIA be interested in keeping tabs on the hippie population? Law enforcement is not a plausible explanation, for there were already enough narcs operating in the Haight. Then what was the motive? A CIA agent who claims to have infiltrated the covert LSD network provided a clue when he referred to Haight-Ashbury as a "human guinea pig farm."

A dozen years earlier in the same city, George Hunter White and his CIA colleagues had set up a safe house and begun testing hallucinogenic drugs on unwitting citizens. White's activities were phased out in the mid-1960s when the grassroots acid scene exploded in the Bay Area. Suddenly there was a neighborhood packed full of young people who were ready and willing to gobble experimental chemicals -- chemicals that had already been tested in the lab but seldom under actual field conditions. [8]

Charles Manson and Timothy Leary arrived in San Francisco at roughly the same time. Both had a keen interest in mind control. In the labyrinth of Helter Skelter, Vincent Bugliosi observes: "Somewhere along the line -- I wasn't sure how or where or when -- Manson developed a control over his followers so all-encompassing that he would ask them to violate the ultimate taboo -- say 'kill' and they would do it."

In 1993, a book appeared in Germany offering up a partial solution to the Manson mind control mystery, an intimate glimpse of the CIA's activities in the Haight district: Murder's Test-Tube: The Box of Charles Manson, by Carol Greene. A French review found the book's other characters "far more frightening than Manson himself." There was Dr. Wayne O. Evans, director of the Military Stress Laboratory of the US Army Institute of Environmental Medicine in Natick, Massachusetts in the 1960s. Evans took part in the Study Group for the Effects of Psychotropic Drugs on Normal Humans, a conference held in Puerto Rico in 1967, and issued a report, Psychotropic Drugs in the Year 2000.

In considering the present volume, it is our hope that the reader will not believe this to be an exercise in science fiction. It is well known that the world of 15 years hence presently exists in the research laboratory of today.

When we consider the effects of these advances in pharmacology we must ask:

A. TO WHOM DO THE YOUTH LISTEN?

B. WHAT ARE THEIR SOCIAL AND PERSONAL WORTH?


Evans glimpsed shimmering vistas of mass mind control on the horizon. The average citizen might consider military psychopharmacology a morbid subject. "If we accept the position that human mood, motivation, and emotion are reflections of a neurochemical state of the brain, then drugs can provide a simple, rapid expedient means to produce any desired neurochemical state that we wish. The sooner that we cease to confuse scientific and moral statements about drug use, the sooner we can rationally consider the types of neurochemical states that we wish to provide for people." The unstated provider of said "neurochemical states" would, of course, be agents of the federal government.

Consider Charles Manson's contacts in Haight-Ashbury:

Dr. David E. Smith [currently an associate clinical professor of occupational medicine and toxicology at the University of California, San Francisco, and a visiting associate professor of behavioral pharmacology in the department of psychiatry, University of Nevada Medical School] and his colleague Roger Smith (no relation), both of whom were associated with the famous Haight-Ashbury Clinic in San Francisco. They shared an interest in the concept of "behavioral sinks"; believed that rats, in response to overcrowding, were naturally inclined to violence, criminality, and mass murder; and believed that the percentage of rats who would engage in such behavior could be increased by the influence of drugs. Dr. David Smith added a new imension by injecting the rats with amphetamines. Author Greene presents and defends the thesis that for both Smiths, Haight-Ashbury represented an opportunity to test these theories [on humans]. David Smith referred to Haight-Ashbury as the national center for habitual drug abuse, and the first slum for teenagers in America. Both Smiths were personally acquainted with Manson, and Roger Smith was Manson's parole officer when Manson first came to Haight-Ashbury, direct from prison. [9]

"No doubt about it," Lee and Shlain conclude, "LSD was a devastating weapon." [10]

And that's exactly how officials of the CIA saw it. Allen Dulles wrote in a memo to the Secretary of Defense in 1955 that Langley took an interest in hallucinogens in the first place due to "the enthusiasm and foresight"of Dr L. Wilson Greene, technical director of the chemical and radiological labs at the Army Chemical Center. Greene was the author of a 1949 paper, Psychochemical Warfare: A New Concept of War, a bit of Orwellian inspiration for CIA and Army officials who have cited the report as their inspiration in the study of drugs as military ordnance.

Dulles reported in his memo that the Agency was testing hallucinogens on "groups of people" or "individuals engaged in group activities." [11]

The list of groups susceptible to drugging did not exclude the Nixon administration. UCLA's Sidney Gottlieb testified in September, 1977 that once, when Nixon visited a foreign country, his traveling party was secretly drugged by the CIA. [12] ABC News later reported that the incident took place during Nixon's sojourn to the Soviet Union in May, 1972. [13]
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Postby American Dream » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:27 pm

http://www.psychedelic-library.org/clark2.htm


"BAD TRIPS" may be the BEST TRIPS

Walter Houston Clark

FATE Magazine, April 1976

A unique blend of Freudian analysis and Mexican shamanism may represent a breakthrough for psychotherapy.


NEARLY A century has passed since Sigmund Freud revolutionized our understanding of mental illness and its treatment. Many significant thinkers—such as Carl Jung—went considerably beyond Freud in plumbing the depths of the human psyche. But none of the myriad psychotherapeutic techniques developed during these decades of research has succeeded completely in fulfilling its theoretical promise in terms of practical results. Psychotherapy for most people remains a dubious, chancy and expensive undertaking.

An unheralded Mexican physician has evolved a technique that comes as close to fulfilling its promise as any with which I am familiar. It combines various forms of Western psychotherapy with the wisdom of Mexican Indian shamans. These approaches have been blended through the genius of Dr. Salvador Roquet, an eminent Mexican public health doctor whose accomplishments include banishing yellow fever from Mexico. Dr. Roquet's responsibilities brought him into contact with the Mexican Indians and consequently with their unusual approaches to health, including their use of hallucinogenic plants for searching the soul in order to heal the mind.

When Dr. Roquet learned of my interest in the use of psychedelic drugs for prisoner rehabilitation, he. invited me to Mexico City to investigate his technique. Early in 1974 I visited the Robert S. Hartman Instituto de Psicosintesis, as he calls his Mexico City clinic. The Instituto is one of the three branches of the Asociacion Albert Schweitzer; the others are a medical mission to the Indians and a school based on the psychological insights discovered by Dr. Roquet in his psychiatric work. Dr. Roquet persuaded me that the best way to observe his technique was to take part in the sessions myself. In turn I believe that the best introduction to his highly original psychotherapy is to relate my own experiences with it.

I REPORTED to the Instituto at 10:00 P. M. on a February evening, along with a number of other patients. We were given a psychological test called the "Hartman Values Questionnaire. " After this, more patients arrived and we assembled in an adjacent room to get acquainted. Since I cannot speak Spanish I felt somewhat isolated until one of the participants asked me in English to say something about myself. As he translated my remarks for the others I felt more at ease and more a member of the group. Eventually there were about 25 of us.

Between midnight and one o'clock we were led into a room not larger than 30 by 40 feet. About 1,000 square feet had been set aside as a treatment area for the patients. During the next 20 hours no patient was allowed to leave the treatment area except to go to the adjoining bathroom. A space of about 10 by 30 feet allotted to the medical corps and electronic equipment was divided from the treatment area by a table at which Dr. Roquet, his staff and a few observers sat. Their white coats distinguished them from the patients. The walls were covered with bizarre pictures painted by former patients and likenesses of Freud, Gandhi and former Chilean President Salvador Allende. A crucifix hung on one wall.

After a brief period of yoga-type exercises each of us was allowed to select a pallet as a kind of home base for the period of the treatment. The patients lay down and restful music was turned on. Shortly thereafter, the lights were turned down and a series of sound movies were shown. These were scenes of violence, death and crude pornography, apparently designed to shock and disturb the sensibilities of the average patient, although other scenes reflected natural beauty, love, tenderness and the like so that the whole sweep of human passion and experience was represented. In other parts of the room still pictures with similar themes were projected against the walls. As this variety show continued the music gradually rose in volume and cacophony. Patients could watch the scenes or not as they pleased but it was difficult to ignore the assault upon our ears. However, the staff prevented us from falling asleep.

During this time one patient after another was called to the table, weighed and examined by a physician. The doctor checked me over and remarked that my heart was strong enough for the treatment but should not be abused. The altitude of Mexico City had brought back an irregularity which had been under control before I left the United States. This news, accentuated by some of the scenes of the video show, helped turn my thoughts to death and associated problems. The other patients seemed similarly disturbed.

At about four or five o'clock the staff began administering psychedelic drugs or plants, the drug and dosage tailored for each patient. (My watch had been taken from me so my sense of time was disoriented.) My own turn came at what I judged was about six o'clock. I received 250 micrograms of LSD-25. Shortly after all the dosages had been administered the sensory overload reached its peak. The cacophonous music and an alternation of bright lights and total darkness punctuated with strange neon effects created an extremely weird atmosphere.

By this time the room began to resemble a l9th-Century snake pit or even an 18th-Century bedlam. Many of us were weeping, others rolled on the floor and shouted in anguish, others vomited, some stared into space and still others made hostile movements toward the electronic equipment. At times I was afraid some patients might attack Dr. Roquet as he sat impassively directing the stage effects responsible for this violence and disturbance.

I myself became possessed by a confused notion that the persons in white coats were tormentors appointed by the Inquisition to drive me out of my mind. They all seemed so undisturbed by the confusion they were creating that I strode up to the table and violently denounced them for their smugness, an act hardly characteristic in my normal state of mind. With my rapid alternation between concerns about approaching death, the remorse that assails me whenever I experience psychedelics, and distress over many things I had intended to do but had left undone, the whole experience can best be described as a descent into hell. I hardly could distinguish what was outer from what was inner.

Toward the end of this phase of the treatment the music and other sensory stimuli were moderated or turned off and the lights were turned up. Referring to individual records when necessary, Dr. Roquet summoned a number of the patients to the table in succession and questioned them about their problems and experiences while the rest of us listened. Translators interpreted the various languages for the other patients. Some patients were asked to read short passages appropriate to their problems, perhaps something personal of their own or perhaps something chosen by the doctors, often with expressions of poignant anguish. One young woman read a passage from Flaubert's novel Madame Bovary, which drew out a painful identification with the personality of the novel's Emma.

During this phase of the treatment certain subjects received an injection of ketamine hydrochloride, a powerful new psychedelic drug as used by Dr. Roquet. Its effects vary with different persons but often it produces a violent abreaction. One young man who had received an injection was carrying on a conversation when suddenly he dropped to the floor in a violent display of anguish and terror, vomiting and writhing in torment.

At this point two staff members with vomit bags and towels came to his assistance showing infinite gentleness and compassion. This scene struck me as forcefully as had my previous conviction that the staff were persecutors. I realized that the whole ordeal had been manufactured for the patients' benefit and that what had seemed like hell had really been a heaven. This perception called my attention to the positive aspects of the treatment and helped bring me back to normality.

After an hour or so, this phase of the treatment ended, the lights were turned down again, soft music was played and we were invited to rest for several hours. At the end of this time the windows were thrown open, letting in the sunlight. We were not permitted to leave the room but were invited to exercise and express ourselves, by dancing if we wished. By this time I felt intensely tender toward my fellow subjects and grateful toward the staff. Since I could not communicate in their language I found myself expressing my feelings in improvised dance.

After the rest period, the few unprocessed patients received attention. The staff distributed to each patient significant pictures from his file—usually family photographs, pictures of the patient himself at various ages or photos of friends and lovers. These sometimes touched off further emotional scenes. But by late afternoon, some 20 hours after I had reported to the Instituto, everyone had returned to a normal state of consciousness. About this time relatives began to call for the patients and I found great comfort in seeing my wife. At about nine o'clock we had the final ceremony; a rose was presented to each subject. In my three weeks' stay in Mexico City every patient I encountered either as an observer or as a participant had returned to normal consciousness by the close of the treatment.


A FEW days afterwards members of my group reassembled for five-hour-group therapy sessions or for some individuals, private sessions of shorter duration. Each patient composed a written account of his session for his file. These follow-up sessions continued until the staff decided the patient would benefit from another long session, sometimes as soon as a month later, although the time was longer as the patient improved. Improvement was measured by the Hartman test and also by the clinical impressions of the psychiatrists.

Since I was not strictly speaking a patient and since my stay in Mexico was brief, I did not participate in all this follow-up but I did get to participate in a second long session about two weeks after my first one.

I had hoped to take ketamine hydrochloride during my second session but my heart irregularity persisted and the doctors judged that inadvisable. This decision again turned my mind to the theme of death. At my second session there were only 10 patients, a more manageable number and yet sufficient for valuable interaction between patients. Otherwise the procedure was similar to the first time except that now I ingested fresh Psilocybe mushrooms sent for my benefit by Maria Sabina, a curandera from Huautla.

This time I re-experienced the death phenomena but instead of a descent into hell the experience took on almost the character of a festival although against a background of solemnity nurtured by the strains of Brahms' Requiem. I not only attained delightful and moving insights into my own subjective life but I could see humorous aspects associated with my death which brought refreshing laughter. I also realized how the cacophony and sensory overload which was designed to "frighten me out of my wits" has a parallel in society where the perfectly natural occurrence of death is transformed into a fearful event in the average person's mind.

On the whole, this second session was the richest of my 10 to 15 experiences with psychedelic materials. It was the first such experience in which guilt played no conscious part. I don't credit the happy outcome of this "trip" to the mushrooms but rather to the important conditioning of my previous "descent into hell."

The effectiveness of Dr. Roquet's technique is evident in my state of mind since my experiences with him. For nearly two years now my zest for life has been more positive than ever before. My appreciation of music has grown almost to an addiction and other aspects of my life have-been 'similarly enriched. Naturally this has given me subjective insight into what the treatment might accomplish for persons whose mental health is not as well established as my own.


WHAT ARE the implications of Dr. Roquet's exciting technique for the field of mental health? Based on my three weeks of intensive involvement with his program I feel that what the average psychoanalyst accomplishes in five or six years Dr. Roquet often achieves in as many months—and better—at from a 10th to a 20th the cost! Dr. Roquet has brought psychiatry into the 20th Century. Doubtless someday his methods will be improved but I do not doubt that they will be hailed as a crucial breakthrough in the progress of psychiatry.

In my research with psychedelic drugs I often have found that the "bad trips" are the best trips, especially when handled properly. Dr. Roquet deliberately sets up a bad trip to bring the patient's worst fears and problems to the surface although this may mean, and usually does, a visit to his own private underworld where madness lurks. For this reason Dr. Roquet refers to his technique as "psychodisleptic," meaning "temporarily disruptive of the mind's functions." The specific aim of this technique is to overwhelm the carefully built defenses that often make the patient's neurosis or psychosis invulnerable to a physician. Many conventional psychiatrists might argue that such violent methods may damage the psyche. The successful outcome for nearly 3,000 patients treated at the Instituto obviously best answers such objections.

How important are the drugs in the treatment? Dr. Roquet says the drugs constitute no more than 10 percent of the total treatment. I would agree but also would argue they are a very important 10 percent. The drugs appear to multiply the cogency of the experience and enable it to penetrate the levels of the unconscious seldom uncovered in ordinary psychotherapy.

Among the other important factors in the technique are the interpersonal relationships. The staff's matter-of-factness and lack of alarm assure the patient that Dr. Roquet and his colleagues are completely in control of the situation. More important, their actively compassionate attitude during the final phases of the therapy acts as a vital healing influence. Almost as important is the interaction between the patients themselves—including the supportive touching and the awareness that one's own anguish is matched by another's across the room.

Dr. Roquet has developed a thoughtful and perceptive theory that underlies his therapy but this is too complex for presentation here. Doubtless Dr. Roquet eventually will speak for himself in English translation. I believe that in time Dr. Roquet's contribution to psychotherapy will seem equal to that of Sigmund Freud.


ON NOVEMBER 21, 1974, Dr. Salvador Roquet, his assistants and 25 patients were arrested during a group therapy session by Mexican police, who burst into the Institute brandishing pistols and machine guns The raid was instigated by Guido Belasso, director of-the Mexican Center of Drug Independence, according to the Mexican newsmagazine "Tiempo".

The patients were jailed only briefly but Dr Roquet and his assistant Dr Pierre Favreau were imprisoned for several weeks due to the seriousness of the drug charges Dr Roquet had operated his clinic in complete openness for more than six years and had earned the gratitude of government officials for his help in stemming unrest at the Universidad de Mexico by successfully treating a radical student leader.

An organization of Roquet's former patients, led by influential Mexicans, came to Roquet's defense and a number of distinguished American psychiatrists testified to the validity and effectiveness of his methods. Ultimately Drs Roquet and Favreau were cleared of the charges and allowed to reopen the Instituto.
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FATE Magazine wrote: ON NOVEMBER 21, 1974, Dr. Salvador Roquet, his assistants and 25 patients were arrested during a group therapy session by Mexican police, who burst into the Institute brandishing pistols and machine guns The raid was instigated by Guido Belasso, director of-the Mexican Center of Drug Independence, according to the Mexican newsmagazine "Tiempo".

The patients were jailed only briefly but Dr Roquet and his assistant Dr Pierre Favreau were imprisoned for several weeks due to the seriousness of the drug charges Dr Roquet had operated his clinic in complete openness for more than six years and had earned the gratitude of government officials for his help in stemming unrest at the Universidad de Mexico by successfully treating a radical student leader.

An organization of Roquet's former patients, led by influential Mexicans, came to Roquet's defense and a number of distinguished American psychiatrists testified to the validity and effectiveness of his methods. Ultimately Drs Roquet and Favreau were cleared of the charges and allowed to reopen the Instituto.


A Google robot translation of: http://www.cronica.com.mx/nota.php?id_nota=93521

Dr. Salvador Roquet's ally in these crimes was Miguel Nazar Haro, the infamous DFS/CIA agent:
I was tortured with natural and chemical drugs: Ulloa

Raymundo Sanchez
11.09.2003


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Emery Federico Ulloa had a meeting yesterday with a bitter part of his past. Walking through the narrow corridors of the Palace corridor Lecumberri M recalled that afternoon of October 2, 1968, when he was on the presidium of speakers at the Plaza of Three Cultures in Tlatelolco.

Chronicle talked to spent more than two years of his life behind these walls are now called the National Archives, but during his youth, was "the worst" prison for political dissidents. "They grabbed me at the meeting of October 2, was José Luis Nazar Haro. From there I took the Military Camp No. 1, and then brought me here, Lecumberri and locked me in this bay, was the M" he said as recognized the recesses of this dark room. - What do you remember that time?. -That here were José Revueltas, Ely de Gortari and Heberto Castillo. - What charges against him? -Conspiracy, inciting rebellion, conspiracy, theft and murder. - How to endure the confinement? He wrote at least three hours a day and others were preparing their final exams. The tests applied UNAM in jail. -From a distance, what do you think? It was a hard life but bearable. We were together even though we had different ideological positions, but the closure has taught us much about the respect for plurality. He states that before being transferred to Lecumberri, kept in a safe house, where Nazar Haro himself was questioned for 20 hours.

- What do you ask? - He began the questioning by saying, you're a mouse, I'm a cat, I raised my hand like this (up) and I felt it was a mouse. - Were you tortured? Yes, well I got a lot of drugs, natural and chemical. - Who gave them and for what? The psychiatrist Salvador Roquet. - What effects did they have? 'It was a horrible thing, impressive, psychological torture, where he produced cycles in which altered my behavior, passed from the terror hysteria.

Former political prisoner explained that Nazar Haro and his people wanted to denounce other fellow students who participated in the movement. At 35 years away from the massacre of October 2, the man expected that with the recent decision of the Supreme Court opens the possibility of punishing those responsible for disappearances and torture during the 70s. Affected toured the "famous" creaking M About a hundred former political prisoners of the dirty war gathered yesterday at the place where dissidents were being detained by the Mexican State: The Black Palace of Lecumberri. They met in what is now known as the National Archives to sign the "Declaration of Lecumberri" which requires the executive and judicial punishment for those responsible for the "arbitrary executions" and repression of social activists of years past, as well as the perpetrators of enforced disappearances. Four days after the Supreme Court's Office determined that the crime of unlawful deprivation of liberty prescribed as the body is not located or abducted person, who suffered political persecution during the decades of the 60, 70 and 80, returned to see the faces. Some after a couple of decades. At noon, under a cloudy sky autumn, the former political prisoners entered the room. They walked the corridors and cells that now bear the historical memory of Mexico, but first stack was used for dangerous criminals and people uncomfortable with the government. They recognized the place and rebuilt the past. About the halls, mounted photos of dozens of people who, by their ideology, they were imprisoned. Those affected by the dirty war also came to the famous bay M, which were housed political prisoners and where they were José Revueltas, Heberto Castillo, and other dissidents.
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