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8bitagent wrote:My only problem is that a lot of people say "Reptillian" is also thrown around or code for anti Semitic beliefs. Is this true?
I always, always hear Icke conflated with Anti Jewry and I want to know what the real story is. As I have read some of his books(simply for food for thought)
and checked out a number of his interviews or talks online over the years. I think when he's talking about the manipulation of thought processes, wars, etc he's pretty spot on.
"Reptillian" I guess can be metaphor for anything. But I don't get along well with paranoid Godlikeproduction/Icke/C2C type folks
An untestable theory — with no small degree of racist and antisemitic undertones
Like most demagogues, Icke mixes in a bit of truth with his fiction.
American Dream wrote:8bitagent wrote:My only problem is that a lot of people say "Reptillian" is also thrown around or code for anti Semitic beliefs. Is this true?
I always, always hear Icke conflated with Anti Jewry and I want to know what the real story is. As I have read some of his books(simply for food for thought)
and checked out a number of his interviews or talks online over the years. I think when he's talking about the manipulation of thought processes, wars, etc he's pretty spot on.
"Reptillian" I guess can be metaphor for anything. But I don't get along well with paranoid Godlikeproduction/Icke/C2C type folks
The author calls the Reptilian model:An untestable theory — with no small degree of racist and antisemitic undertones
Also the author says:Like most demagogues, Icke mixes in a bit of truth with his fiction.
Wrestling with the assertion "Reptilian=Jew", (never made here) would be in this context to wrestle with a straw man,,,
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Some Mormon scholars believe that Quetzalcoatl, who has been described as a white, bearded god who came from the sky and promised to return, was actually Jesus Christ. According to the Book of Mormon, Jesus visited the American natives after his resurrection.[13]
Latter-day Saint President John Taylor wrote:
The story of the life of the Mexican divinity, Quetzalcoatl, closely resembles that of the Savior; so closely, indeed, that we can come to no other conclusion than that Quetzalcoatl and Christ are the same being. But the history of the former has been handed down to us through an impure Lamanitish source.[14]
These ideas were adapted by science fiction author and Mormon Orson Scott Card in his story America.
New Age
Various theories about Quetzalcoatl are popular in the New Age movement, especially since the publication of Tony Shearer's 1971 book "Lord of the dawn: Quetzalcoatl and the Tree of Life" republished also under the title "Lord of the dawn: Quetzalcoatl, the plumed serpent of Mexico."
Other theories
The British author Graham Hancock published a controversial theory that Quetzalcoatl is a being that is shared across many cultures including Egyptian, Aztec, Mayan and Olmec. The stories of a bearded white man bringing "knowledge" are alleged to be common, and sprouting from a central source or "master" culture. (Source: Fingerprints of the Gods, Graham Hancock, 1995)
The double symbolism used in its name is considered allegoric to the dual nature of the deity, where being feathered represents its divine nature or ability to fly to reach the skies and being a serpent represents its human nature or ability to creep on the ground among other animals of the Earth, a dualism very common in Mesoamerican deities. [1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga
From Hindu and Buddhist culture:
Mahabharata
In the great epic Mahabharata, the depiction of Nagas tends toward the negative, and they are portrayed as the deserving victims of the snake sacrifice and of predation by the eagle-king Garuda. The epic calls them "persecutors of all creatures", and tells us "the snakes were of virulent poison, great prowess and excess of strength, and ever bent on biting other creatures" (Book I: Adi Parva, Section 20). At the same time, nagas are important players in many of the events narrated in the epic, frequently no more evil nor deceitful than the other protagonists, and sometimes on the side of good.
The epic frequently characterizes Nagas as having a mixture of human and serpent-like traits. Sometimes it characterizes them as having human traits at one time, and as having serpent-like traits at another. For example, the story of how the Naga prince Sesha came to hold the world on his head begins with a scene in which he appears as a dedicated human ascetic, "with knotted hair, clad in rags, and his flesh, skin, and sinews dried up owing to the hard penances he was practising." Brahma is pleased with Shesha, and entrusts him with the duty of carrying the world. At that point in the story, Shesha begins to exhibit the attributes of a serpent. He enters into a hole in the Earth and slithers all the way to bottom, where he then loads the Earth onto his head. (Book I: Adi Parva, Section 36.)
Arguments about whether or not there “are” or “are not” reptilian humanoids from the lower fourth dimension necessarily degenerates into inanity, because the statement can be neither proven nor disproven.
American Dream wrote:The author clearly has a point:Arguments about whether or not there “are” or “are not” reptilian humanoids from the lower fourth dimension necessarily degenerates into inanity, because the statement can be neither proven nor disproven.
Pierre d'Achoppement wrote:The verification principle itself is a metaphysical proposition which can be neither proven nor disproven.
American Dream wrote:The author clearly has a point:Arguments about whether or not there “are” or “are not” reptilian humanoids from the lower fourth dimension necessarily degenerates into inanity, because the statement can be neither proven nor disproven.
The first incompleteness theorem states that no consistent system of axioms whose theorems can be listed by an "effective procedure" (e.g., a computer program, but it could be any sort of algorithm) is capable of proving all truths about the relations of the natural numbers (arithmetic). For any such system, there will always be statements about the natural numbers that are true, but that are unprovable within the system. The second incompleteness theorem, a corollary of the first, shows that such a system cannot demonstrate its own consistency.
Wombaticus Rex wrote:Pierre d'Achoppement wrote:The verification principle itself is a metaphysical proposition which can be neither proven nor disproven.
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Pierre d'Achoppement wrote:
Here's a 2hr+ video debunking David Icke from a christian perspective:
He also has one on Zeitgeist and is working on one on History Channel's Ancient Aliens.
Pierre d'Achoppement wrote:Here's a 2hr+ video debunking David Icke from a christian perspective...
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