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DrVolin wrote:The simplest explanation is that Kennedy got drunk, drove into the water, and left Kopechne to die. It wouldn't be so surprising. That doesn't mean there isn't more to it. That Kennedy didn't know Kopechne died is also a pretty good fit to the facts. Expect for one thing: Why would he then take the blame and claim he was there and even dove for her repeatedly before walking away and sleeping it off? There is one way this makes sense: Wherever he was, and whoever with, was worse than leaving a young woman to drown in his car while he got back to his hotel and had a night's sleep.
Who Is Charles Schlund -- And Why Does He Matter? 10/19/05
"They believed that if they killed him it would look like the CIA had assassinated all three brothers so the CIA decided to allow him to live and to embarrass and discredit him to stop him from being reelected to the Senate by framing him at Chappaquiddick for the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. . . . The following is how the CIA framed Ted Kennedy for the death of Mary Joe Kopechne at Chappaquiddick. . . . "
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1216&p=12446 <-- RI EZ-Board archive, which is very hard to read;
http://rigorousintuition.yuku.com/forum ... _JhXM2JRIG <-- Yuku archive, which is much more legible, but removes the poster's name
Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick, the true story
Thursday, 27 August 2009
" The dreadful truth of that night is well-known among Kennedy staffers and his surviving family, and it is that Teddy was nowhere near the car when the accident occurred. . . . "
http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/27/ted ... rue-story/
John Simkin wrote:Posted 23 June 2012 - 07:57 AM
Jack Caulfield died last week. Unlike most of the other figures in the story, he never wrote his account of the Watergate Scandal. I suspect he was behind setting up Edward Kennedy at Chappaquiddick.
In April, 1969, Caulfield was appointed as Staff Assistant to Richard Nixon. Soon afterwards Nixon decided that the White House should establish an in-house investigative capability that could be used to obtain sensitive political information. After consulting John Ehrlichman and H. R. Haldeman the job was given to Caulfield.
Caulfield now appointed an old friend, Tony Ulasewicz, to carry out this investigative work. Ulasewicz's first task was to investigate the links between Bobby Baker and leading Democratic Party politicians. Was this the way Nixon discovered who was behind the assassination of JFK?
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Brian De Palma's "Blow Out" (1981)
The film alludes to elements of the Watergate scandal and the JFK assassination. The film also recalls elements of the Chappaquiddick incident, although De Palma intentionally tried to downplay the similarities...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blow_Out
Context of 'July 18, 1969: Nixon Sees Chappaquiddick Tragedy Damages Kennedy'
April 2, 1969: Nixon Begins Secret Political Intelligence Operations
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Former New York Police Department detective Jack Caulfield begins his new job as a White House aide. Caulfield was added to the White House by Nixon aide John Ehrlichman after President Nixon’s decision to use private, secretly held funds for political intelligence operations (see January 30, 1969). Caulfield is to conduct various political intelligence operations without being noticed by the CIA, the FBI, or the Republican National Committee. Originally, the idea was to pay Caulfield out of unspent campaign funds from the 1968 elections (see November 5, 1968), but Caufield insisted on being given a White House position. [Reeves, 2001, pp. 67]
Entity Tags: Federal Bureau of Investigation, Central Intelligence Agency, Richard M. Nixon, John Ehrlichman, John J. ‘Jack’ Caulfield
Timeline Tags: Nixon and Watergate
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Great thread! It got me curious about this story and while I was looking at some related books on amazon, this review for the book "Death at Chappaquiddick", caught my eye...Iamwhomiam wrote:I really have no idea what the truth is in this matter but I can share with you what I was told by someone who attended the party that night. The fellow said Mary Jo had gotten drunk and crawled into the backseat of a car, not know or caring whose it was, and passed out. Supposedly Kennedy was entirely unaware of her presence.
Who knows? Maybe she made some noise and scared the shit out of him just before he drove off the bridge?
Narrow inlets with fast currents often have shoreline counter-currents
3.0 out of 5 stars Was Ted in the car?;, May 12, 2006
By Robert Washburn "BobRI" (Portsmouth, RI)
This review is from: Death at Chappaquiddick (Paperback)
I attended a Haloween party in 1969, and a fellow guest told me this story, that he heard from Kenny O'Donnell, aide to the late President Kennedy: Ted was in the car with another woman (not one of the boiler room girls). When Ted saw a police car, he stopped, got out of the car to hide, and told the woman to drive the car over the Dike Bridge and he would meet her on the other side. Neither knew that Mary Jo was passed out in the back seat. When the woman drove the car into Poucha Pond (due the bend in the bridge), she escaped, was taken off Chappy and left the Island.
Ted established his alibi at about 2 am, and didn't find out about Mary Jo's death until the car was pulled from the water around 10 am the next day.
This story has always made more sense than the diving heroics tale. The coverup was to prevent the public knowing about "the other woman". And wasn't a wooden purse, not Mary Jo's, found in the front seat floor?
Did you know Howard Hunt? Didn't he work in the office?
Yeah, I knew Howard. -Nice? -He's a nice person. He's secretive, he is secretive, but a decent man.
Do you have any idea what he did?
The White House said he was doing some investigative work.
What do you say?
[Sharon chuckling] -He was doing investigative work.
On what?
Different things.
Like what?
She warned me.
I'm not going to take my book out. I'm just asking you.
The scuttlebutt for a while was that he was investigating Kennedy.
Go on.
The White House was real paranoid about Teddy Kennedy. I remember seeing a book about Chappaquiddick on his desk. And he was always getting material out of the White House Library... and the Library of Congress, and anything he could find.
RECEPTIONIST: White House Library.
Hi, this is Carl Bernstein of the Washington Post... and I was just wondering if you can remember... any books that a Howard Hunt checked out on Senator Kennedy?
Howard Hunt?
Yes, ma'am.
Yes, I think I do remember. He took out a whole lot of material. Why don't you hold on and I'll see?
I sure will. Thank you very much.
Mr. Bernstein?
Yes, ma'am?
I was wrong.
I beg your pardon?
The truth is, I don't have a card that says Mr. Hunt took any material. I don't remember getting material for.... I do remember getting material for somebody, but it wasn't for Mr. Hunt.
All right.
The truth is, I didn't have any requests at all from Mr. Hunt. The truth is, I don't know any Mr. Hunt.
I was just wondering if you have any books.... Hello?
DrVolin wrote:The simplest explanation is that Kennedy got drunk, drove into the water, and left Kopechne to die. It wouldn't be so surprising. That doesn't mean there isn't more to it. That Kennedy didn't know Kopechne died is also a pretty good fit to the facts. Expect for one thing: Why would he then take the blame and claim he was there and even dove for her repeatedly before walking away and sleeping it off? There is one way this makes sense: Wherever he was, and whoever with, was worse than leaving a young woman to drown in his car while he got back to his hotel and had a night's sleep.
Iamwhomiam wrote:I really have no idea what the truth is in this matter but I can share with you what I was told by someone who attended the party that night. The fellow said Mary Jo had gotten drunk and crawled into the backseat of a car, not know or caring whose it was, and passed out. Supposedly Kennedy was entirely unaware of her presence.
Who knows? Maybe she made some noise and scared the shit out of him just before he drove off the bridge?
Narrow inlets with fast currents often have shoreline counter-currents
Iamwhomiam wrote:I really have no idea what the truth is in this matter but I can share with you what I was told by someone who attended the party that night. The fellow said Mary Jo had gotten drunk and crawled into the backseat of a car, not know or caring whose it was, and passed out. Supposedly Kennedy was entirely unaware of her presence.
Who knows? Maybe she made some noise and scared the shit out of him just before he drove off the bridge?
Narrow inlets with fast currents often have shoreline counter-currents
stoneonstone wrote:Iamwhomiam wrote:I really have no idea what the truth is in this matter but I can share with you what I was told by someone who attended the party that night. The fellow said Mary Jo had gotten drunk and crawled into the backseat of a car, not know or caring whose it was, and passed out. Supposedly Kennedy was entirely unaware of her presence.
Who knows? Maybe she made some noise and scared the shit out of him just before he drove off the bridge?
Narrow inlets with fast currents often have shoreline counter-currents
It would explain why she left her purse in the cottage...which was both unlikely and troublesome. But I think I also read that her blood alcohol was CLOSE to the legal limit, not in excess of it.
stoneonstone wrote:Iamwhomiam wrote:I really have no idea what the truth is in this matter but I can share with you what I was told by someone who attended the party that night. The fellow said Mary Jo had gotten drunk and crawled into the backseat of a car, not know or caring whose it was, and passed out. Supposedly Kennedy was entirely unaware of her presence.
Who knows? Maybe she made some noise and scared the shit out of him just before he drove off the bridge?
Narrow inlets with fast currents often have shoreline counter-currents
It would explain why she left her purse in the cottage...which was both unlikely and troublesome. But I think I also read that her blood alcohol was CLOSE to the legal limit, not in excess of it.
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