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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:16 pm

Heard about this this morning. I've been waiting to get here to make heads or tails of it.

:hug1: , 82. The first thought through my mind was your connection to the place.

Once again a possible scenario of 'multiple shooters with accomplices' become a 'single lone wolf patsy'?

And the fate of Jessica Radfield is the stuff of science fiction.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby No_Baseline » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:32 pm

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:13 pm
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mackwhite wrote:
The entire Toronto episode is out of the Twilight Zone. First she leaves the food court because of an "feeling." Then, after the shootings, she sees a guy in a Batman costume?!


Wombaticus Rex wrote:
How long have you been here on Earth? Seriously. Do you actually have days that don't feel like episodes of the Twilight Zone?


I don't know, that whole angle is so bizarre that I have found myself armchair researching if the two knew each other. Please don't think I am implying for one second that the victim should be blamed here, I am not.

Both are Aurora, CO transplants, the same age, and have that Batman connection, I don't think it means anything, but yet I am compelled to throw it out there anyway. So bizarre.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:33 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:
NBC wrote:Defense officials tell NBC News that two US Air Force reservists and two Navy service members were among those wounded in the overnight shooting spree. One of the Navy service members is missing and presumed dead.


Well, that's absurd. No, it's ridiculous, rather.

There are (don't misunderstand me) only twelve dead. If he's among them, they would very quickly know that he was among them.


Damn, you're right. I still had the figure of 71 in my head when I said that could explain why he wasn't identified yet.

But of course that includes all casualties, not those who are dead.

Yes, if he was there and he was dead I think they would know by now. I'd also have thought military men on official leave might tend to keep their ID on them at all times, for various reasons. I'll take a screenshot of that article in case they change it.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:35 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:I'm generally sceptical about "synchronicities" and tend to regard them as sub-varieties of banal coincidence. But what are the odds against a person witnessing such a thing, caring enough about it to report it, surviving a spree-shooting in the same place on the same day, and then being killed by a spree-shooter at a Batman movie only a few weeks later?

- Not a real question. I know the statistics are incalculable.


That's why they're called "synchs". I don't "believe" in them either and I don't think that "everything happens for a reason" and all the other incurious claptrap nonsense. I think the reason for synchs is for them to be missed. They aren't meant to be noticed. This is where we apply intuition and creativity with courage.

However, I had multiple synchs last night in Seattle, that could have been foreshadowing what later happened far away in Denver. (I was wearing a Denver Broncos shirt). . .

Here's just one. Me and a date were searching for a homeless person to give our left over food to. We were searching. But none were to be found. Well we run across a dude sitting on a stoop. We see his dog. A black dog. Skinny and shit. We start talking to him and we realize he has a crow tethered to his wrist. (I've always wanted to have a crow as a friend). So I start chatting with him and asking how he wound up with the crow. Tells story and stuff. Was a baby that was rejected by family and he helped it.

However. . .

Seeing a dude with a wild crow hopping around on his lap is a veritable oddity. That coupled with me being on a first date with someone IN FRONT of the place me and my ex met some 7 years ago and think of the occasion fondly. Coupled with, we bypassed the other hippish bars to go to the oldest school hangout in Ballard for drinks and ran into a friend I hadn't seen in years. Yet it was all on a lark that wouldn't have happened were it not being asked out the night before by this nice lady and we toyed with the idea of going to see Batman (decided to avoid the shitshow) that night.

I could go on. But this is all to demonstrate the ways you can weigh the synchs in life. Don't stick to your guns, but simply notice what the Universe is telling you at any given moment and if it's not given make it up to pass on. Always use rigor and intuition and don't be afraid to do so. Just do it.

And in a nutshell, I began to connect the oddities of last night in my life, my connections with Denver, the crow and on and on and on.

We are lucky to have this place. At least I am.

I spent the rest of the night crying.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:39 am

Wasnt it almost 28 years to the date that the San Ysidro Mcdonalds massacre happened?(22 dead, many injured), itself just a few days from the summer olympics?

There's been this obsessive undercurrent online writing of the curse of the dark knight franchise. But I find the sync obsession even more curious. None of it takes away from the sheer horror of people going to engage in a ritual I absolutely have loved all my life: the anticipation and fun of going to the local cinema. I'll probably see the movie this weekend.
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Re: 14 dead 50 injured Aurora Colo - Batman Movie

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:54 am

Ok, nvm 82 28 mentioned san ysidro.

I also remember the chuck e cheese 1993 denver massacre, besides columbine.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Nordic » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:12 am

I saw an account today, probably on Facebook, about another person who was missing, a girl. The parents were freaking out and wanting to know what happened to their daughter. WTF? I wonder if I could find it again.
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Postby The Consul » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:50 am

FTowers. Darkness, crowds. Code words, conflicting reports and sttled images. Experimentation on a grand scale. Alternate endings to alternate realities. We may never know. A bird flew in the back of the car flapping in panic, but landed briefly on the green foile candy box given by a friend in Shanghai. Foreboding is monetized outside the gates of eden. Nothing will ever bring back the illusion of unity or utopia. Its too late to fall in love with Bonnie Rait. Dark Towers, compounding psychological oppression. We are in the blinds of unmindful minds. Thunder, lightning, open wide the barn doors. Let the horses trample your pity. The name that cant be spoken is on your lips. Sleep will move you through these souls. They will recognize yoinu for what you could never understand in their dreams. There are too many hidden programs on the plate. and still contracts are drawn up to quantify the immeasureable. i am bound in the throes of passionate absurdities. The insult of forgiveness thickens yet in those eyes. As the bird flew out of the car my relief was welcomed by rolling thunder. Infinite uncaptured magic was in the air.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby justdrew » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:57 am

The killer's dad's "boss" at HSC software:

this is kinda weird...

Robert Hecht-Nielsen (born 1947) is an adjunct professor of electrical and computer engineering at the University of California, San Diego. He co-founded HNC Software, and became a vice president of R&D at Fair Isaac Corporation when it acquired the company.

In March, 2005, he held an event to announce "the fundamental mechanism of cognition", which he believes is a process of confabulation (neural networks). He posits that all actions and thoughts begin as the "winners" of competitions, where confabulations are tested for cogency based on antecedent support. He presented some mathematical models of the proposed mechanism, and some experimental results where software using this system was able to add several words to a stub of a sentence, keeping that stub coherent and, optionally, maintaining some connection to a full input sentence supplied as context.

For example, given "But the other ..." the program returns "But the other semifinal match between fourth-seeded ...". Given "Japan manufactures many consumer products." for context, and the same three-word stub, it returns "But the other executives included well-known companies ...". Five pages of such examples were given.

He made red, green, and blue-striped medallions to commemorate the event, and had them distributed to the audience along with pamphlets explaining their significance: "This new era, which as yet has no name, will be characterized by the eternal universal freedom from want provided by intelligent machines."


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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Jeff » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:48 am

justdrew wrote:The killer's dad's "boss" at HSC software:

this is kinda weird...


Thanks Drew.

Not as weird, but I find this disturbing. Headline from CBSNews: The mystery of James Holmes' missing Facebook account. But wait, it's not missing. He simply didn't have one. That's what passes for a mystery these days.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby bks » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:33 am

Jeff wrote:
justdrew wrote:The killer's dad's "boss" at HSC software:

this is kinda weird...


Thanks Drew.

Not as weird, but I find this disturbing. Headline from CBSNews: The mystery of James Holmes' missing Facebook account. But wait, it's not missing. He simply didn't have one. That's what passes for a mystery these days.


Following this up, from the article Jeff linked:

"It's certainly unusual. Data suggests that 95 to 98 percent of people Holmes' age are on social media," Dr. Megan A. Moreno, of University of Wisconsin-Madison School of Medicine and Public Health, told CBS News. As for that other 5- to 2 percent, Moreno, who has no connection to the case, highlighted a link between extreme Internet use - or lack of use - and depression.


A study titled "A U-shaped association between intensity of Internet use and adolescent health," published by the journal Pediatrics, attempted to draw a correlation between mental health and intensity of Internet use. The theory being that poor mental health may result in either heavy use of the Internet or little to none.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162- ... ok-account


Of course.

This could just be a poorly-written article, but on what planet does social media usage not implicate internet usage? I'll read the study and report back unless someone beats me to it [and please do].

If in fact 95-98% of young people are using social media, do you really need a further argument that SM functions as a means of social control and dissent management? Which I believed already, but there it is in black and white.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby bks » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:36 am

bks wrote:
Jeff wrote:
justdrew wrote:The killer's dad's "boss" at HSC software:

this is kinda weird...


Thanks Drew.

Not as weird, but I find this disturbing. Headline from CBSNews: The mystery of James Holmes' missing Facebook account. But wait, it's not missing. He simply didn't have one. That's what passes for a mystery these days.


Following this up, from the article Jeff linked:

"It's certainly unusual. Data suggests that 95 to 98 percent of people Holmes' age are on social media," Dr. Megan A. Moreno, of University of Wisconsin-Madison School of Medicine and Public Health, told CBS News. As for that other 5- to 2 percent, Moreno, who has no connection to the case, highlighted a link between extreme Internet use - or lack of use - and depression.


A study titled "A U-shaped association between intensity of Internet use and adolescent health," published by the journal Pediatrics, attempted to draw a correlation between mental health and intensity of Internet use. The theory being that poor mental health may result in either heavy use of the Internet or little to none.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162- ... ok-account


Of course.

This could just be a poorly-written article, but on what planet does social media usage not implicate internet usage? I'll read the study and report back unless someone beats me to it [and please do].

If in fact 95-98% of young people [ALL young people? Only those of certain means?] are using social media, do you really need a further argument that SM functions as a means of social control and dissent management? Which I believed already, but there it is in black and white.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Hammer of Los » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:43 am

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Cosmic coincidence control must be on overtime.

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby cptmarginal » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:19 am

Thanks for that, justdrew. I also saw this at cryptogon about HNC:

HNC Software Inc. is San Diego’s largest software company and develops predictive software solutions for business-to-consumer service companies. These solutions allow companies to make more intelligent and profitable decisions and are marketed to industries- including financial, insurance, retail, telecommunications and the Internet.

Like many San Diego-based software companies, HNC Software Inc. traces its origins to the defense industry. When the company was launched in 1986, it focused on defense-related research and development. But over the years as defense budgets shrank not only in San Diego, but nationwide, HNC quickly realized that in order to succeed and grow, other commercial applications had to be found for its products.



But perhaps the most exciting frontier awaiting exploration and commercial development by HNC is in an area that scientists still know very little about: the human brain. HNC is working on a long-term research project launched in 1998 that is jointly funded by HNC and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), part of the U.S. Defense Department, to investigate ‘cortronic neural networks,’ a concept originally proposed by Robert Hecht-Nielsen, HNC’s co-founder and chief scientist.

HNC hopes to develop new capabilities in the areas of textual, aural and visual representation, and to actually build three new predictive, neural-net based systems: one that reads, interprets and searches text more effectively; a second recognizing speech and other sounds, enabling users to perform audio searches; and a third that can scan for and interpret images. The ultimate goal is to integrate all three systems. The net result – machines that someday might be able to reason like humans.

“This is the most important scientific challenge of our time, and finding the answer will be the adventure of the millennium,” says Hecht-Nielsen.


The Motivation Behind the Colorado Killings Is Murky, but the Horror Is Crystal Clear

Two months before he was charged with killing 12 people and wounding 59 others at a midnight opening of The Dark Knight Rises, James Eagen Holmes was scheduled to conduct a seminar on how the tiniest bits of genetic material can signal psychiatric and neurological disorders.

Whether or not he actually delivered his talk on micro RNA biomarkers is not yet clear, and he has since dropped out of the graduate neuroscience program at the University of Colorado Medical School in Denver.

But what soon became murderously clear is that none of our present societal markers are able to prevent a maniac from obtaining an arsenal and coldly plotting a massacre.

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Before dropping out of graduate school in June, 24-year-old Holmes made the same benign impression on the brilliant professors and doctoral candidates who study the brain and behavior at the school’s neuroscience center. The professor who ran his course on the biological basis of psychiatric and neurological disorders is a prominent member of the medical school’s department of psychiatry. The two student-led seminars scheduled immediately after Holmes’s seminar were on psychosis and paranoid delusions.


http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/neur-sci/2 ... 55098.html

The link I picked for this coincidentally-dated article is, appropriately enough, from a neuroscience discussion group:

Below I have reproduced (in ASCII) a front-page New York Times article from 1977 that I copied from microfiche.

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The New York Times, Thursday, July 21, 1977
Page A1

C.I.A. Data Show 14-Year Project On Controlling Human Behavior

By Nicholas M. Horrock
Special to The New York Times


WASHINGTON, July 20 -- The Central Intelligence Agency conducted a 14-year program to find ways to "control human behavior" through the use of chemical, biological and radiological material, according to agency documents made public today by John Marks, a freelance journalist.

Mr. Marks, an associate of the Center for National Security Studies, asserted at a news conference that Adm. Stansfield Turner, Director of Central Intelligence, in a letter to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence last week, "seriously distorted" what the C.I.A. research programs involved.

Mr. Marks said that, based on documents about the program he had received under the Freedom of Information Act, he had concluded that Admiral Turner "seems to be practicing what used to be called 'a modified limited hangout'" when he called the agency's activity "a program of experimentation with drugs."

"To be sure, drugs were part of it," he said, "but so were such other techniques as electric shock, radiation, ultrasonics, psychosurgery, psychology, and incapacitating agents, all of which were referred to in documents I have received."


It made me, and surely many others, take immediate notice when they saw that this latest bizarre massacre took place so near to the Columbine event. Also right by the Colorado NSA facility, Lockheed Martin, the mysterious Denver airport - I'm sure there's many more to list.

CIA Plans to Shift Work to Denver

CIA Plans to Shift Work to Denver
Domestic Division Would Be Moved

By Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 6, 2005

The CIA has plans to relocate the headquarters of its domestic division, which is responsible for operations and recruitment in the United States, from the CIA's Langley headquarters to Denver, a move designed to promote innovation, according to U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials.

About $20 million has been tentatively budgeted to relocate employees of the CIA's National Resources Division, officials said. A U.S. intelligence official said the planned move, confirmed by three other government officials, was being undertaken "for operational reasons."

A CIA spokesman declined to comment. Other current and former intelligence officials said the Denver relocation reflects the desire of CIA Director Porter J. Goss to develop new ways to operate under cover, including setting up more front corporations and working closer with established international firms.

Associates of Goss said yesterday that the move was also in keeping with his desire to stop the growth of CIA headquarters and headquarters-based group-think, something he criticized frequently when he was chairman of the House intelligence committee.

Other CIA veterans said such a relocation would make no sense, given Denver's relative distance from major corporate centers. "Why would you go so far away?" one asked. "They will get disconnected."

The main function of the domestic division, which has stations in many major U.S. cities, is to conduct voluntary debriefings of U.S. citizens who travel overseas for work or to visit relatives, and to recruit foreign students, diplomats and businesspeople to become CIA assets when they return to their countries. It was unclear how many CIA employees would relocate to Denver under the plan.

Although collecting information on U.S. citizens under suspicion for terrorist links is primarily an FBI function, the CIA may also collect information on citizens under limited circumstances, according to a 1981 executive order. The exact guidelines for those operations are spelled out in a classified document signed by the CIA director and approved by the attorney general.

The Denver move, which is tentatively scheduled for next year but has not been finalized, coincides with several other developments related to the CIA's domestic intelligence work.

Last week, the CIA and FBI agreed to a new "memorandum of understanding" on domestic and foreign operations, the first change in decades. The negotiations surrounding the memo were highly contentious, with the FBI saying that it should control and approve the CIA's domestic activities, including its pool of U.S.-based assets that have been invaluable in the past to understanding the intentions of foreign nations and groups.

But the FBI is having significant problems developing its own domestic intelligence branch and the CIA is generally viewed across the intelligence community as more experienced and skilled at handling foreign informants who eventually return abroad, where the CIA has the lead in intelligence gathering and operations.

Both the CIA and FBI are trying to deepen their outreach to U.S. research and academic institutions and to private subcontractors working on major government contracts abroad.

Originally, the FBI also pressed to have the bureau disseminate all intelligence reports from sources -- foreigners or U.S. citizens -- living in the United States. It was undercut, however, by the fact that the bureau routinely falls behind in issuing counterterrorism reports and, at the time of the most heated negotiations, in December, the FBI had a backlog of more than 100 reports it had not distributed.

In response to questions this week about the new agreement, the FBI and CIA issued a joint statement to The Washington Post. "The FBI and CIA are committed to effective, joint operations to safeguard our nation," it says. "To that end, we are completing work on a memorandum of understanding that will codify our joint operating principals. We are pleased with both the process and the outcome and we recognize that our joint efforts will enhance national security."

Under the agreement, the CIA must coordinate its operations with the FBI. The CIA's domestic division has agreed to provide the FBI with more information about its operations and debriefings. One goal of updating the memo was to ensure that the two agencies were not working at cross purposes and were aware if one or the other had already recruited or debriefed someone.

It is unclear how a move to Denver would increase the effectiveness of the domestic division's operations, said several former intelligence officials.

Colorado has become a major intelligence hub since Sept. 11, 2001.

The Denver suburb of Aurora is home to the little-known Aerospace Data Facility. Located inside Buckley Air Force Base, it has become the major U.S.-based technical downlink for intelligence satellites operated by the military, the National Security Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office, according to military and government documents obtained by William Arkin, author of "Code Names," a book about secret military plans and programs.

About 70 miles away, the U.S. Northern Command, based at Peterson Air Force Base, in Colorado Springs, is tasked with homeland defense and has been increasing its domestic intelligence work.

It could not be learned whether the CIA's Denver plans are linked to the presence of either facility.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby cptmarginal » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:29 am

See also: Operation Aurora

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/featu ... ing-201109

Last year Google became the first major company to blow the whistle on Chinese hacking when it admitted to a penetration known as Operation Aurora, which also hit Intel, Morgan Stanley, and several dozen other corporations. (The attack was given that name because the word “aurora” appears in the malware that victims downloaded.)

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They also linked the RSA attack to the penetration of computer networks at some of RSA’s most powerful defense-contractor clients—among them, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and L-3 Communications. Few details of these episodes have been made public.

...

A former White House official told me, “After Google got hacked, they called the N.S.A. in and said, ‘You were supposed to protect us from this!’ The N.S.A. guys just about fell out of their chairs. They could not believe how naïve the Google guys had been.” (In response to detailed questions regarding Operation Aurora and the company’s response to it, Google declined to comment.)
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