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Postby Trifecta » Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:31 am

Feb. 25, 2006 <br><br>Canada Palestine Association, Halifax <br><br>Letter to The Globe & Mail. <br><br>Dear Editor: <br><br>Marvin Kurz: {"The rights of terrorists?, What rights" Feb. 25}, states: " Israel, the petri dish of anti-terrorism....." This is the height of audacity. Israel has been, since its inception, a giant laboratory for terrorism in the Middle East. <br><br>The late professor Israel Shahak, a Holocaust survivor, and then chairman of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, wrote: "There is nothing new in the fact that Israel is a terrorist state, which, almost from its inception, has used its intelligence service (the Mossad) to assassinate people on foreign soil with any violence or terror it considers necessary for its ends." <br><br>Terrorism has been the hallmark of Israeli leaders, including Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir, Ehud Barak, Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon, amongst others. The massacres, including Deir Yassin, Doueima, Safsaf, Tantura, amongst scores of others, and war crimes that they have orchestrated would take volumes to relate. <br><br>Assassination of Palestinian leaders and intellectuals, in Europe and the Middle East has gone on for years. Fathi Shikaki was assassinated in Malta in 1995 on the orders of Yitzhak Rabin. The role of Ehud Barak, dressed as an Arab woman, in the assassination of three Palestinian leaders, including the poet Kemal Nasser, in 1973 in Beirut, must not be forgotten. <br><br>Israeli assassination is not limited to Palestinians but includes the 1944 assassination of the British minister Lord Moyne in Cairo as planned by Yitzhak Shamir. <br><br>A horrible crime was committed in the assassination of the Swedish nobleman, Count Folke Bernadotte, a UN mediator, on Sept. 17, 1948, in Jerusalem, on the orders of Yitzhak Shamir, who later became prime minister of Israel. Count Bernadotte's sin was his recommendation, as the UN mediator, that Palestinian refugees who were driven out from their homes by Israel should be allowed to return to their homes. This recommendation was the substance of the UN resolution 194, on Dec. 11, 1948, stipulating the right of return for the Palestinian refugees as soon as possible. <br><br>Israeli use of chemical weapons is also on record in the botched attempt to assassinate Khalid Meshal, a Hamas leader, in Amman in 1997, on the orders of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. <br><br>The first act of air piracy in the history of civil aviation was carried out by Israel in 1954, when a civilian Syrian airliner was forced down in Tel Aviv and its passengers and crew held hostage, despite international condemnation. <br><br>The first act of shooting down a civilian airliner was deliberately carried out by Israel when a Libyan airliner was shot down by Israeli jet fighters over Sinai in February 1973, on the orders of Israeli prime minister Golda Meir, killing 107 of its passengers and its entire French crew. <br><br>Israeli terror was not restricted to Palestinians, Arabs and Europeans but included its own closest supporter and ally, the United States. In 1954, Israeli secret agents bombed the U.S. diplomatic centres in Cairo and Alexandria (known as the Lavon Affair), in an attempt to put the blame on the Egyptians. Israel later honoured the perpetrator, Marcello Ninio. <br><br>In June 1967, Israeli forces attacked the U.S. spy ship USS Liberty, and strafed rescue boats, killing 35 and injuring 170 U.S. servicemen, in an attempt to conceal its own secret communications, and again tried to blame it on the Egyptians. To this day, incredible as it may seem, the U.S. Congress refuses to hold an inquiry into this crime, as requested by the surviving crew. Needless to say, no sanctions were imposed or calls to extradite the perpetrators were made. <br><br>Zionist terror did not spare Jews. In 1940, Menachem Begin's Irgun Zwei Leumi terrorist gang bombed the ship Patria in Haifa harbor, killing 240 Jewish refugees, so as to put the blame on the British for political gain. <br><br>In 1950-1951, Israeli agents were dispatched to Iraq where they tossed hand grenades into the crowded Massauda Shem-Tov synagogue, causing numerous deaths, in order to blame it on the Iraqis and encourage reluctant Iraqi Jews to emigrate to Israel. <br><br>The late Canadian historian Frank Epp, then president of Grebel college of the University of Waterloo, wrote: "It is true that terrorist acts have been perpetrated by people identified as Palestinians. But there is another terrorism which is more vicious and brutal, that of dispossession and displacement forced upon the Palestinians. However, terrorism meted out by the Palestinians, regrettable as it is, is minute by comparison with that which has been inflicted on them. The mass media have failed to make this point adequately." <br><br>The tragedy for the Jewish people of Israel, in the crimes that are committed in their name, is highlighted in the statement made by the noted British historian Arnold Toynbee, who stated in a 1961 lecture at McGill University to a largely Jewish audience: "The Jewish treatment of the Arabs in 1948 was as morally indefensible as the slaughter by the Nazis of six million Jews . . . The most tragic thing in human life is when people who have suffered impose suffering in their turn." <br><br>The Palestinian people today are calling for a modicum of justice. For without this, there will be no peace for Arab or Jew in the Middle East. <br><br>Yours sincerely, <br><br>Ismail Zayid, MD. <br><br>President, Canada Palestine Association <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.canpalnet-ottawa.org/Israel%20state%20terrorism.html">www.canpalnet-ottawa.org/...orism.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: palestine canada

Postby havanagilla » Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:47 am

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Very good post</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, and just to show how the Palestinians, who are directly victimized by Israel - rarely resort to the kind racist BS that travels here on the board so often (by poeple who claim they havn't even met a jewish person). <br>Very good article but why do the palestinians still trust the canadian government/public to assist them ? the canadian government is buddy buddy with Israel's most notorious establishments, and the so called "rhetoric" against Israel is a pretty clever outfit. We recently found out that the German BND was providing useful intel to the USA, from IRaq (contrary to Mr. Schroeder's "anti war" slogans). I think that should suffice to understand what is going on in the world now. We are all pawns in the big money game. Israel is selling its soul and future to be "on top" of this game, and the palestinians are relying on empty words from other thieves (Iran, Russia, Germany and canada...blah blah). <br><br> <br><br><br>Today, headlines in Israel -<br>- canadian Jewish congress brought to Israel some 1st nation canadian chiefs in order to create better relations bn the two groups in canada. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Is it ok to post this?

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:25 am

Of course. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: palestine canada

Postby Qutb » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:07 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>We recently found out that the German BND was providing useful intel to the USA, from IRaq (contrary to Mr. Schroeder's "anti war" slogans). I think that should suffice to understand what is going on in the world now. We are all pawns in the big money game. Israel is selling its soul and future to be "on top" of this game, and the palestinians are relying on empty words from other thieves (Iran, Russia, Germany and canada...blah blah).<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Well put. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: palestine canada

Postby marykmusic » Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:54 pm

It's a big, big game that's being played, and all of the terror-sponsoring regimes (including our own, of course) are in it together... <br><br>The CIA put the Shah into Iran in 1953 and removed him in 1979. And within three years after that, he and the dozen or so men who stayed with him (including the father of a friend of mine), ALL died of the very same rare cancer. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Re: palestine canada

Postby havanagilla » Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:04 pm

rare cancers -<br>how come so little is written in the blogosphere about this very common killing method, namely, the variety of rare cancers and other such cowardly atrocities.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: palestine canada

Postby sunny » Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:14 pm

I don't think it is too far out to connect the "cancer" research of David Ferrie to the death by cancer of Jack Ruby; possibly the start of this method of assassination. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby mother » Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:44 pm

I agree, sunny, not too far out at all. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: palestine canada

Postby antiaristo » Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:57 pm

Mary,<br><br>Have you seen this?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Top of the Iranian grudge list is the 1953 coup that toppled the nationalist prime minister, Mohammed Mossadeq, and cemented the rule of the shah. The coup was executed largely by the CIA but its genesis lay with the British secret services.<br><br>The British had been infuriated by Mossadeq's nationalisation of the Anglo-Iranian oil company, a move prompted by widespread anger at its refusal to share a fairer proportion of its profits (vital to Britain's tax revenues) with Iran.<br><br>Having taken the matter to the UN security council and lost, Churchill's government persuaded the Eisenhower administration, then paranoid about the spread of communism, that Mossadeq was a dangerous radical who should be toppled. The resulting chicanery destabilised Iranian politics for the next generation and resonates to this day.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The rest is on the Secret Societies Primer thread. Any thoughts about the underlying theme that it is Britain manipulating Uncle Sam?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: palestine canada

Postby havanagilla » Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:27 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article4449.shtml">electronicintifada.net/v2...4449.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Munich, or Making Baklava<br>Joseph Massad, The Electronic Intifada, 3 February 2006<br><br> <br>The Mossad team assembled to take out revenge for the 1972 Munich Olympics killings (Universal) <br><br>“The best baklava is made by the Arabs in Jaffa,” insists the Mossad case officer to his chief agent in charge of assassinating those Palestinians Israel claims planned the Munich operation of 1972. Besides being excellent baklava-makers, we learn little else in Steven Spielberg’s film Munich about Jaffa’s Palestinians, the majority of whom were pushed into the sea by Zionist forces in May 1948. Many drowned while the rest escaped on boats to Lebanon and were never allowed to return. Munich is not about these Palestinians; it is emphatically about Israeli Jews and Israeli terrorism. In the context of Hollywood’s cinematic history, Munich is not the first film to discuss Israeli terror, Otto Preminger’s 1960 film Exodus was in essence a celebration of Jewish terrorism. Like Exodus, Munich poses moral questions about terrorist methods and whether the end justifies the means as it chronicles the pangs of conscience troubling Israeli terrorists while they murder Palestinian poets, writers, and politicians across Europe and in Lebanon. To a considerable extent, Munich is already having the same impact on American audiences and is playing the same role as Exodus did in legitimizing Israeli policies and the Zionist project.<br><br>Exodus was the major cinematic achievement of the Zionist movement. The film popularized the Zionist cause and remains inspirational to young American and European Zionists. The film was most effective in staging the determination and desperation of the Zionist leadership, which was depicted as having no choice but to conquer Palestine and make it the Jewish State. Exodus tells the story of the Zionist hijacking of a ship from Cyprus to Palestine by a Zionist Haganah commander, Ari Ben Canaan, who threatens to blow it up with 200 pounds of dynamite killing 611 Jewish men, women, and children. The film depicts the Jewish refugees as in agreement with the plan and vote in favor of it, rendering the terrorist threat a suicide bombing. Indeed Jewish mothers refuse to let the children off the ship when Ben Canaan asks them to, insisting that their children should die with them in the event they carry out the suicide bombing. <br><br>Exodus insists that Ben Canaan’s threat of suicide bombing was not an idle one. As in the extra-fictional world, which the film references, the Zionists had indeed blown up a similar ship in November 1940 killing 242 Jewish refugees. When questioned by a young American widow about the purpose of sacrificing so many lives, Ben Canaan tells her “call it publicity, a stunt to attract attention.” He avers that “each person aboard this ship is a soldier. The only weapon we have to fight with is our willingness to die.” While the Haganah is shown in the film as engaging in suicide bombings to achieve its goals, it is contrasted with the terrorist Irgun whose terrorist goals in the film targeted the British specifically (but not the Arabs!) and were not suicidal. Exodus finally reconciles whatever misgivings it has about Irgun-style terrorism with its approved version of Haganah-style suicide-bombings, in the interest of unifying both forces for the purpose of establishing the Jewish State. The Israeli national anthem, Hatikvah, stolen as it is from gentile Czech composer Bedrich Smetana’s symphonic poems Má Vlast (the second poem, to be exact), is played ad nauseam in the film to drive the effect home. The major achievement of Exodus besides disseminating the Zionist story was to eliminate the Palestinian people, whose lands and lives were being robbed by the Zionist project, from the equation. Munich need not dabble with such existential questions, as the matter of Israel’s existence on stolen Palestinian lands and at the expense of Palestinian lives has been settled in Exodus. Munich simply wants to update the story. Script co-writer Tony Kushner was clear on this point in a recent article he wrote for the Los Angeles Times: “my criticism of Israel has always been accompanied by declarations of unconditional support of Israel's right to exist, and I believe that the global community has a responsibility to defend that right. I have written and spoken of my love for Israel.”<br><br>When only one Palestinian, Taha, is allowed to speak in Exodus, he is permitted to do so in order to praise Zionism. Taha in fact drinks a toast “Lechaim” to the Zionist conquest of his people’s land and lives. Exodus is invested in depicting Jewish colonists as ultra-civilized compared to the Palestinians, shown throughout the film in Bedouin garb (parading as village and city apparel) as a measure of their backwardness. Munich employs similar cinematic tactics, even though when it shows Palestinians in Western “civilized” garb, it reminds viewers that they are no different from those who live in Arab villages. If Ari Ben Canaan is a cultured man who knows his way around a restaurant menu of French food and wine, Munich’s Avner Kaufman is a gourmet cook and a sensual lover, although he has questionable taste in erotic fantasies. Unlike Exodus’s more protracted focus on a number of characters, Munich focuses exclusively on the character of Avner, exploring his inner conflict, his love for his wife and yearning for his newly born child, as well as his troubled relationship with his parents –the generational connections it makes are illustrative of an established past for Jewish colonists in Israel and an uncertain future to come for their grandchildren. <br><br>The film also describes the moral conflicts of the other members of Avner’s terrorist cell, inspired by what Robert, the explosives expert, presents as Jewish ethics. Robert, who learned his expertise at the hands of the Israeli secret police, the Shin Bet, is unable to reconcile his Jewish ethics with his Israeli training and finally quits the killing spree. He is reminiscent of Dov Landau, the young Irgun explosives expert in Exodus who had learned his skills from the Nazis in Auschwitz when he had to dynamite the ground to make trenches for the burial of exterminated Jews. Unlike Munich’s Robert, Landau had no qualms about killing Jews, Arabs, and Britons when he blew up the King David Hotel. Landau’s major trauma as presented in the film was not his internment in Auschwitz or his witnessing the gassing of Jews and participating in burying them, the only thing that made him cry was his rape by the Nazis (“they used me as you would use a woman”), which impelled him to join the Irgun as a restorative act of his lost manhood. Robert in contrast has little problem sharing a homoerotic moment of dancing with Steve in celebration and rejoicing after they murder Wa’il Zu’aytar in Rome. The sexual politics of Zionism have certainly progressed, or so we are led to believe watching Munich.<br><br>The moral qualms that Robert and other members of the terrorist cell express strike the educated viewer as uncanny, since documentary accounts of and interviews with Mossad agents show them to have strong ideological commitment and determination to kill enemy Palestinians with no moral questioning. It is some of the diaspora Jewish supporters of Israel who infrequently feign moral dilemmas (on occasion, also, Israelis feign them when called upon to perform before the international media). Spielberg being one of them expressed his dilemmas in clear terms to the London Times, namely that he and his family “love Israel, we support Israel, we have unqualified support for Israel, which has struggled, surrounded by enemies, ever since its statehood was declared . . . I feel very proud to stand right alongside all of my friends in Israel; and yet I can ask questions about these very, very sensitive issues between Israelis and Palestinians and the whole quest for a homeland.” Munich is a film in which Spielberg, Kushner, and similar-minded diaspora supporters, and not Israeli Mossad agents, may recognise themselves. <br><br>The moral questions that Munich poses have more to do with the souls of Israeli Jews. In that, it does not deviate much from Zionist propaganda, which has always claimed that Jewish soldiers “shoot and cry.” Indeed, Golda Meir, who is depicted in the film as a righteous and lovable leader, had once said “We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours.” It is this racist sentiment which structures the story Munich wants to tell. The fact that Palestinian violence was in response to Zionist conquest and murder is immaterial to Spielberg’s reasoning, nor the fact that many Palestinians are willing to forgive Israeli Jews for the continued theft of their lands and livelihoods, the continued oppression they visit upon all Palestinian communities in Palestine and the diaspora, and for the major role Israeli and diaspora Jews play in the Israeli and Western media in transforming Palestinians from victims of Israeli terror into perpetrators of it. Spielberg, who is at any rate an active participant in such media depictions, humanizes Israeli terrorists in Munich but expectedly not the Palestinian terrorists who are portrayed as having no conscience. It seems that unlike their Israeli counterparts, Palestinians shoot but do not cry! We see the Israeli murderers laugh, cry, make love, cook, eat, kill, regret, question authority, but we also see them lose their souls. It is true that Munich wonders whether the policy of terrorism that Golda Meir unleashed out of anguish at the murder of Israeli athletes might have been misguided, but the film insists that it is none other than the Palestinians who forced the choice of terror on Israel. Munich’s point of contention with Meir’s policy rests on the film’s claim that because Jews have a morally superior code, Israel need not respond to the Palestinians in kind, a sentiment articulated by Robert, the explosives-expert. <br><br>Some of the legitimacy that Spielberg and Kushner hope the film will receive comes from the dissatisfaction of Zionists with it, which to the US media confirms Munich’s “objectivity.” This is hardly different from how Sharon’s policies are presented as “fair” when opposed by Palestinians and Israelis who are to the right of Sharon. While this simple-minded tactic works with naïve US audiences, it has a harder time being persuasive to more savvy ones outside the country. <br>Like in Exodus, Palestinians in Munich ventriloquise the worst that Zionist propaganda says they say. If the good Palestinian in Exodus was the collaborator Taha, who was killed by the Palestinians for his treason, Munich offers the terrorist Ali who is killed by the Israelis for not being like Taha, confirming that the only good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian. As for the rest of the Palestinian people, Munich, like the Israeli authorities, hopes that they stick to making baklava and stop resisting Israeli oppression, resistance which forces Israel to kill them and which in turn forces moral dilemmas on Spielberg, Kushner, and some of Israel’s other supporters in the diaspora. <br><br>Joseph Massad is Associate Professor of Modern Arab Politics and Intellectual History at Columbia University. His book The Persistence of the Palestinian Question will be published by Routledge in February 2006.<br><br><br>Related links<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: palestine canada

Postby slimmouse » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:15 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Joseph Massad is Associate Professor of Modern Arab Politics and Intellectual History at Columbia University. His book The Persistence of the Palestinian Question will be published by Routledge in February 2006.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> No doubt the entymological contortionist fascist fighters will be busy preparing various strategically placed ' concise versions' of this review. <p></p><i></i>
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Simple Post from a Simple Mind

Postby Floyd Smoots » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:31 pm

Hey there, anti, slim, maryk, and all the rest. I'm weighing in here at "flyweight" (old boxing weight category). antiaristo set my slow brain to speedthink on this one issue only. I don't think it's Israel, or Britain, or Canada, or the U.S.A.<br><br>Crazy as this idea might seem, I think it's really............ALL OF THEM!!!, and many others. I truly feel that, at the top of the as-yet-uncapped pyramid, most of the nations whose "governments" have participated in this horrible and bloody dog and pony show for longer than I (or even chiggerbit) have lived, are controlled by an "old boy's club"; the likes of which, before their deliberate collusion to rob, rape, and pillage the planet, ol' Mama Earth has never seen. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Food for thought, so I'll just go git me a cold beer. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Simple Post from a Simple Mind

Postby dragon » Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:18 am

<br>Drink one for me, too, Floyd. And you are correct. It is an unseen cap of the pyramid that controls all of them. I'll tell you about it some day when I have more time.<br><br><br>Dragon <p></p><i></i>
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Why Has That Guy Got Worms In His Mouth???

Postby Floyd Smoots » Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:50 am

Dragon, I eagerly await your post with "baited" breath. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Simple Post from a Simple Mind

Postby antiaristo » Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:33 am

Floyd,<br>YES.<br><br>While you are waiting on Dragon, can I suggest where you might want to look for yourself?<br><br>Look into the Order of the Garter.<br>Do the research.<br><br>Or<br><br>You might want to cheat.<br>Read my letter to F Elens-Passos dated 3 December 2003.<br>It's in Data Dump, thread title Second Batch 2002-2004. <p></p><i></i>
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