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Postby Avalon » Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:17 pm

Yes, penises can be good things when attached to good people.<br><br>But now after the "Hand of Light" phrase I can't get the idea of "Penis of Light" out of my head.<br><br> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: the heart

Postby * » Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:22 pm

<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"The heart is not a simple pump." </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.rsarchive.org/RelArtic/Marinelli/">The Heart is Not a Pump</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>A REFUTATION OF THE PRESSURE PROPULSION PREMISE OF HEART FUNCTION<br>Ralph Marinelli 1; Branko Fuerst 2; Hoyte van der Zee 3; Andrew McGinn 4; William Marinelli 5<br><br> 1. Rudolf Steiner Research Center, Royal Oak, MI<br> 2. Dept. of Anesthesiology, Albany Medical College, Albany, NY<br> 3. Dept. of Anesthesiology and Physiology, Albany Medical College, NY<br> 4. Cardiovascular Consultants Ltd., Minneapolis, MN. Department of Medicine, University of Minnesota, MN<br> 5. Hennipen County Medical Center and Dept. of Medicine, University of Minnesota, MN<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Abstract</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>In 1932, Bremer of Harvard filmed the blood in the very early embryo circulating in self-propelled mode in spiralling streams before the heart was functioning. Amazingly, he was so impressed with the spiralling nature of the blood flow pattern that he failed to realize that the phenomena before him had demolished the pressure propulsion principle. Earlier in 1920, Steiner, of the Goetheanum in Switzerland had pointed out in lectures to medical doctors that the heart was not a pump forcing inert blood to move with pressure but that the blood was propelled with its own biological momentum, as can be seen in the embryo, and boosts itself with "induced" momenta from the heart. He also stated that the pressure does not cause the blood to circulate but is caused by interrupting the circulation. Experimental corroboration of Steiner's concepts in the embryo and adult is herein presented.<br> <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Introduction</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>The fact that the heart by itself is incapable of sustaining the circulation of the blood was known to physicians of antiquity. They looked for auxiliary forces of blood movement in various types of `etherisation' and `pneumatisation' or ensoulement of the blood on its passage through the heart and lungs. With the dawn of modern science and over the past three hundred years, such concepts became untenable. The mechanistic concept of the heart as a hydraulic pump prevailed and became firmly established around the middle of the nineteenth century.<br><br>The heart, an organ weighing about three hundred grams, is supposed to `pump' some eight thousand liters of blood per day at rest and much more during activity, without fatigue. In terms of mechanical work this represents the lifting of approximately 100 pounds one mile high! In terms of capillary flow, the heart is performing an even more prodigious task of `forcing' the blood with a viscosity five times greater than that of water through millions of capillaries with diameters often smaller than the red blood cells themselves! Clearly, such claims go beyond reason and imagination. Due to the complexity of the variables involved, it has been impossible to calculate the true peripheral resistance even of a single organ, let alone of the entire peripheral circulation. Also, the concept of a centralized pressure source (the heart) generating excessive pressure at its source, so that sufficient pressure remains at the remote capillaries, is not an elegant one.<br><br>Our understanding and therapy of the key areas of cardiovascular pathophysiology, such as septic shock, hypertension and myocardial ischemia are far from complete. The impact of spending billions of dollars on cardiovascular research using an erroneous premise is enormous. In relation to this, the efforts to construct a satisfactory artificial heart have yet to bear fruit. Within the confines of contemporary biological and medical thinking, the propulsive force of the blood remains a mystery. If the heart really does not furnish the blood with the total motive force, where is the source of the auxiliary force and what is its nature? The answer to those questions will foster a new level of understanding of the phenomena of life in the biological sciences and enable physicians to rediscover the human being which, all too often, many feel they have lost.<br> <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Poem

Postby Project Willow » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:24 pm

Obviously I didn't know what it referred to. I thought the object was her heart, she was declaring herself free of domination.<br><br>Well, poetry has never been my thing. <p></p><i></i>
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poem

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Heart

Postby Avalon » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:55 pm

If it weren't for the title giving the specific context to those who remembered the incident which occcurred way back in 1993, thinking it was about the heart would be a totally appropriate reading.<br><br>I think it's a great poem in terms of showing insight into someone's imagined state of mind. But its lyrical way of saying that is in such contrast to the subject matter, that it sets up a real cognitive dissonance that whomps the reader over the head.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Well Crap

Postby RollickHooper » Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:09 pm

I was just trying to make the point that women need to learn to defend themselves. Project Willow and sw (see, since you told us it means "soul warrior" I think it should be SW instead of sw), I appreciate that for you and many many waay too many others such admonishment comes too late and little children simply cannot defend themselves. But I don't think there's a statute of limitations on these things, if you happen to know who the perpetrators are, and my feeling is that revenge is therapeutic and cathartic, in cases like these. Don't know that for a fact, it's just my feeling.<br>I could have just said Be Strong, or something, instead . . .<br><br>In an effort to get back on topic--and this might fail miserably as well--have you ever felt a sneeze coming on, and to help bring it out you look up at the sun, or a bright light, and it helps you somehow to sneeze? I thought I read somewhere that there are photosensitive receptors in the nasal cavity, but when I mentioned it to a surgeon (she was operating, I was assisting as a student, she was wearing a surgical mask and felt a sneeze coming on--she automatically looked up at the bright light, and I said, "It won't work, because you're wearing a surgical mask")--she thought about it for a long time, and finally said, "I've never heard of such a thing as photosensitive receptors in the nasal cavity--I think that's bullshit." Nevertheless, she did not sneeze. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Heart

Postby Project Willow » Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:11 pm

That is quite some dissonance, and now the reason for its posting is clearer.<br><br>belle laide<br> <p></p><i></i>
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off thread line but wanted to respond

Postby sw » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:05 pm

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Still off topic but...

Postby Col Quisp » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:16 pm

In reading these recent posts about different "parts," I began to wonder if the perpetrators have different "parts" as well. Remember the show, Twin Peaks? Wasn't the big secret that Laura's father was abusing her, but she thought it was an evil man named "Bob?" In one episode, her father turned into "Bob" onscreen. My point is, maybe that's why it's easy for you, sw, to forgive your father. You realize instinctively that what he did does not represent him at his core. Or, I could be totally offbase. <p></p><i></i>
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that is it...

Postby sw » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:23 pm

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Revenge

Postby Project Willow » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:33 pm

I don't think revenge is possible or therapeutic, but I appreciate the sentiment. The only reason I might contemplate such actions would be to stop any more people from getting hurt, and of course if I had to defend myself. <br>Hopefully the country will decide it is under attack and will stop these people. <br><br>Other than that, a violent act would temporarily diffuse some rage, but it would not relieve me of the underlying pain. I would surely go to prison, the perp would not suffer anymore than he already has in life, and might actually find relief in death if I killed him. In the throws of my deepest rage it feels as if relief could only come from annihilating those perps. But then I know I would damage my own soul if I used violence in revenge.<br><br>I was told if one wished to repress a sneeze, he should think of fish. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: that is it...

Postby RollickHooper » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:41 pm

That's the other point I tried to make in my post at the top of page two (and elsewhere)--there's a part of me that says I have no right to an opinion on this subject because it didn't happen to me. Just as, if you were to ask where I stand on abortion, I'm very comfortable saying it's a woman's decision, and not mine. I can't detach myself from the issue of abuse because people I care about have been wounded by abuse and it breaks my heart. I suppose if I didn't know anyone personally who has been sexually abused, ever, it would be different; but the older I get, the longer I live, the more victims I meet. This cannot go on. This has got to stop.<br>This is war. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rollickhooper>RollickHooper</A> at: 9/18/05 6:42 pm<br></i>
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Adult children of former children

Postby Avalon » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:46 pm

It really helps me to be a parent now and look at my father not just as my dad, but as his father's son. To see what may be the hurt child in him acting out under the surface. I can see it as developmental delays that persist to this day, see that if one anecdote told by one of his older siblings is true, my father was emotionally abused by his own father on at least that occasion if nothing else.<br><br>He's a good man at his core, despite some behavior that I've hated over the years. I don't think that that behavior is stuff that would go away without a lot of work or insight, especially in his eighties. <p></p><i></i>
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Yes Yes Yes

Postby RollickHooper » Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:08 pm

Most criminals in prison today can be said to have been "brought up wrong," it's a given that abusive adult males were abused as children. I see a "victim" when I look at George W. Bush.<br>We're all inextricably linked to our childhoods and we can blame (or credit) our parents and their parents and their parents, all the way back to Adam and Eve, and no one gets held accountable and no one takes responsibility. Let's empty all the prisons, if it's not really their fault they're criminals.<br>It has to stop somewhere; I propose we stop it here and now. <p></p><i></i>
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that sneeze brought us to the front of the line..

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