Philip Marshall and David Graham: The Research Thread

[barracuda]

This may not be the place for this but the Calaveras Sheriff's office released a statement on the Marshall murders:

It's the place for it, alright. It reads like a remarkably conscientious piece of investigating, imo. At least I think so, maybe because it affirms my read on the case: drugs, gun, and debt are a bad combination.

Wait a minute, I'm feeling a bit confirmation bias-ish now.

[FourthBase]

This may not be the place for this but the Calaveras Sheriff's office released a statement on the Marshall murders:

It's the place for it, alright. It reads like a remarkably conscientious piece of investigating, imo. At least I think so, maybe because it affirms my read on the case: drugs, gun, and debt are a bad combination.

Wait a minute, I'm feeling a bit confirmation bias-ish now.

A couple of things raised little flags, the missing round of ammunition, the open safe. No mention of matching the handwriting for "Debt Kill" and "Hi Sean!" to Marshall. The two seconds in which the other kid would not have awoken. The general manner of the decibel testing. The questionability of the family conflicts as evidence of instability. But, I'm definitely more inclined than before to consider the possibility of outright, unsuspicious murder/suicide. Still not inclined, overall, though. And besides, even if it was, as the report points out, there are potential adverse reactions to medication to consider as a neurochemical cause for sudden psychosis. It is unfair to automatically assume that Marshall alone was negligent in self-administering medication. Nor is there, of course, any speculation about Marshall maybe receiving an unthinkable ultimatum at some point prior, because, well, who would ever conceive of such a thing, besides people like us?

Ultimately, 'cuda, your point before stands re: none of this bearing on his research.

[barracuda]

Ultimately, 'cuda, your point before stands re: none of this bearing on his research.

Absolutely, I think his books deserve reading - I wish more people here would buy Bamboozle for the sake of discussion. I think that some of the information in the report, specifically the domestic incidents of 2008, have almost no bearing and seem superfluous. Apparently there's more forensic evidence to come, and the computer contents which hopefully may contain at least a draft of the 4th book.

[elfismiles]

Hi Cuda.

The reason I asked you about Ptech and radar injects was your statement that I quoted. I've never heard any explanation of where those injects could have come from - other than the UFaux angle of Palladium I first learned about from MIRAGE MEN. If anyone else has details about how those injects may have been accomplished (presumably as part of the drills / exercises) I sure would like to hear about it.

Cuda or anyone ... is the connection to Ptech and phantom radar blip injects part of one of the previously cited videos or audio interviews?

The Big Bamboozle doesn't mention Ptech, and I haven't heard Marshall discuss it on any vid/aud presentations.

Regarding this scenario I mentioned ...

Also, to y'all's knowledge, has anyone ever suggested that Shrubya or his administration may have been framed? That they were thinking the CIA, FBI, and Mossad were tracking the hijackers and were supposed to stop them in the nick of time so that the POTUS could be seen as a hero for stopping "the worlds most potentially deadly terror attack"?

I've never heard that, but doesn't the stalling and lack of shoot-down orders contraindicate?

... I've only ever heard this from one source and it is a very personal anecdote.

However, I'm not sure what you mean by "lack of shoot-down orders" since there are multiple sources that seem to show that Cheney ordered the shoot-down of ALL civilian planes still in the air at some point on that Tuesday:

Military officials ignored Cheney’s 9/11 shoot-down order
By Stephen C. Webster / Thursday, September 8, 2011 11:07 EDT
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/08/m ... own-order/

There's a book by a Washington insider, can't remember it at the moment who also states that Cheney ordered all the planes shot down on that day.

And of course there is the recent news item about him which contradicts his 911 Commission testimony in this regard.

Lastly, something Marshall suggested, that the 4 planes were all supposed to hit their targets simultaneously at 9:11am that terrible Tuesday. Is he the only person to have suggested this or was this perhaps common knowledge / stated somewhere in the official narrative?

As far as I can tell, this is a Phil Marshall construct, and a very interesting one.

Well, it would fit right in with so many other aspects of the incident and the idea of having them all hit at about 9:11 am on 9/11/01 would seem rather poetic / symbolic / powerful to the collective consciousness. But as 8bit and others have said, having one plane hit first and giving the world's media time to "tune-in" in time for the second hit certainly has its own psychic weightiness.

But I wonder if Marshall was the only person to put this idea forward. From what little I've read of Bamboozle it seems like he felt that was central to why the attack actually failed in its goals.

[barracuda]

... I've only ever heard this from one source and it is a very personal anecdote.

However, I'm not sure what you mean by "lack of shoot-down orders" since there are multiple sources that seem to show that Cheney ordered the shoot-down of ALL civilian planes still in the air at some point on that Tuesday:

Military officials ignored Cheney’s 9/11 shoot-down order
By Stephen C. Webster / Thursday, September 8, 2011 11:07 EDT
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/08/m ... own-order/

There's a book by a Washington insider, can't remember it at the moment who also states that Cheney ordered all the planes shot down on that day.

And of course there is the recent news item about him which contradicts his 911 Commission testimony in this regard.

Marshall is pretty adamant that the protocol for the shoot down of civilian aircraft requires that such an order issue from the President alone, must be passed to the Secretary of Defense, and then relayed to the combatant commander. As such, the order issued by Cheney at ~10:15 a.m. to protect the White House was invalid, and Cheney would have known that, considering he had served as SecDef under Bush 41.

Marshall says:



(The note [8] refers to the 9/11 Commission Report.)

Well, it would fit right in with so many other aspects of the incident and the idea of having them all hit at about 9:11 am on 9/11/01 would seem rather poetic / symbolic / powerful to the collective consciousness. But as 8bit and others have said, having one plane hit first and giving the world's media time to "tune-in" in time for the second hit certainly has its own psychic weightiness.

But I wonder if Marshall was the only person to put this idea forward. From what little I've read of Bamboozle it seems like he felt that was central to why the attack actually failed in its goals.

Marshall considers it an operational failure with two primary results:

- The executive branch and State Dept. conspirators had to improvise and stall their response and their resulting performance was not credible.

- Flight 93 was forced to abandon mission and crash. Marshall thinks the hijackers gained entry to the cockpit either by using a universal key which they may have been in possession of, or by waiting until the stew opened the cockpit door. If the stewardesses waited longer than usual to access the cockpit (which may have happened for any number of reasons) Jarrah & Co. would gain control of the plane behind schedule, which in fact they did, some twenty minutes late. Consequently he was out of range to slave the autopilot to the DCA signal and had to program flight instructions manually. The delay cost him 112 miles in the wrong direction, the passengers began receiving information about the other suicide attacks, and "Let's Roll!" was born.

Regarding the phantom radar blips, I'll have to look around.

[8bitagent]

To quick points for y'all.

1. The media was abuzz back in the days following 9/11 about it possibly being an "inside job", specifically regarding the airports. A 2008 FOIA FBI thing revealed reports of suspicious activity in the days leading up, the hijackers seen with tarmac crew, reports of knives preplanted under the seats, etc.

2. According to Indira Singh

Indira Singh: "Ptech was with MITRE Corporation in the basement of the FAA for two years prior to 9/11. Their specific job is to look at interoperability issues the FAA had with NORAD and the Air Force in the case of an emergency. If anyone was in a position to know that the FAA - that there was a window of opportunity or to insert software or to change anything – it would have been Ptech along with MITRE."