Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[Spiro C. Thiery]

I don't have any political objections to people voluntarily allowing cops into their houses when they reasonably believe it's in their interests.

I imagine your interpretation of "voluntary" is a bit broader than mine.

[compared2what?]

As long as the only casualty is the Constitution, I say we all need to give a hearty round of the applause to the police state!

Exactly.


http://m.local10.com/news/Watertown-man ... index.html

PEMBROKE PARK, Fla. -
A man living in Watertown, Mass., described having police officers search his apartment as they looked for one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects.

"It started around midnight last night with hearing gun shots and explosions," Jim Bonasoro told Local 10's Christina Vazquez. "It's sort of one of those things where you see it on TV and then all of a sudden you hear it outside. It's totally crazy."

Bonasoro said when he and his fiancé woke up Friday morning, their neighborhood looked like a war zone.

"There's police, state police, military everywhere. There's a Black Hawk helicopter in the sky," he said.

The neighborhood was locked down as authorities searched for Dzhokar Tsarnaev, who escaped an overnight shootout in Watertown with police that left his brother Tamerlan Tsarnaev -- the other man wanted in the bombings -- dead.

"I was hoping we had enough food and there was enough beer in the fridge," said Bonasoro.

Bonasoro said two state police officers donning full tactical gear later searched his home.

"I went to my back door where they were coming up the steps. They had entered through the basement, through the side door, which was actually unlocked," he said. "They had their guns drawn, asked if anyone else was home. I opened the door, they made me put up my hands, asked me a couple of questions, cleared the house, and just moved on. They were professional but it did scare me and my fiancé."

My stepdaughtet was caught in one of these a few nights ago. The police locked down an entire neighborhood quite close to us where she was visiting a friend. She was stuck there all night. We could not reach her and she was not allowed to leave the building she was in. If she had tried to leave who knows what would have happened? There were cops and SWAT all around her, looking for one particular jewelry store thief who hadn't even hurt anyone. But that's ok because the LAPD are above the law and have our safety as their priority, right? Who cares about the Constitution when those shining knights in blue are protecting uf from evildoers?

And its especially ok because lets face it -- LA is just a little bit better than your shitty city!

But that's not new. Or related. The cops have been allowed to do knock-and-announce searches under exigent circumstances since the 19-fucking-70s. It's a little late in the day for a righteous citizen to be proud of getting upset about it now.

And just because the LAPD have been abusing their authority with impunity for decades, it doesn't make the residents of LA pussies or cowards.

So. Exactly what, exactly? Nothing has changed yet.

[RocketMan]

I wonder if they'll go for the Jack Ruby Gambit with Tsarnaev later on...

Man this whole deal stinks to high heaven.

Got a chill last night when I watched live as a convoy of 20 Humvees rolled on the Boston streets. Bidness as usual these days I guess.

[FourthBase]

Wow. Full blown retard on this thread.

I feel like i'm back in high school.

"this is MY city! Mine! It's better than your city!"

And

"we staff our own government".

Am I really reading this kind of juvenile pap at RI?

Sure let's throw away the 4th amendment because we're scared.

Pussies, every ladt one of you fucking cowards who feels that way.

Once again, just for the sake of accuracy...

We don't. I don't, anyway. Speaking for myself.

What a sickening few days it's been.

Yes, wasn't it? On behalf of everyone here, thank you for offering your condolenc...

Not because of the bombings

Oh.

which were sickening in their own way,

Which way, exactly? Will you tell us later?

but because of americans acting like a bunch of hypocritical high schoolers and bloodthirsty gullible lynch mobs. And why would anyone with half a brain be proud of their own provincialism?

Perhaps because of all the full brains who have preceded me in this particular geographical setting?

Astounding. One little bombing, something our country dishes out every fucking day of the week -- only hell, lets face it, had we perpetuated this attack in, say, a wedding party in Afghanistan nobody would have given the slightest fuck at all.

"One little bombing"? Is this what we weren't supposed to take personally? Please go on.
Oh wait, that must be what you meant by "in their own sickening way", okay, understood.

A favor to ask: Can you point me to the people here who do not give the slightest fuck about bombed Afghan weddings? Would we be able to distinguish them from those who don't give the slightest fuck about a bombed Boston marathon? Look for the place names and skin color of the victims, sure, but are there any other ways?

America -- they can dish it out but they sure can't take it.

For the record: I have never dished any such thing out, personally.

MY city! MINE!

Yes. My city. Not only mine, of course.

(Wow. It's quite a rush to underreact. I'm doing this more often!)
So, what was that you were saying about hypocritical high schoolers?

[Nordic]

C2W:

Wtf are you talking about? Everything has changed. Where you been since 2001, locked up in Gitmo or something? Comments like that make me wonder if you're really that ignorant or forgetful, or just bored and looking for a fight?

Patriot Act, NDAA, blah blah blah. This kid, if they dont just kill him while in custody (because he messed with the coolest city in the world, allegedly) is probably gonna get disappeared as an "enemy combatant" and all of that shit, and it could happen to anybody. It could start happening to any of us because of what we write here, and you don't give a shit about it and blithely proclaim that "nothing has changed"?

Bye. I may be back or i might not be. This isn't the place i used to frequent. Y'all have taken the emoti-bait. Nice to see.

[justdrew]

not really scared of trucks myself.

I got a chill when the initial reports were coming in and I thought we were looking at a Beslan or Mumbai type incident on MIT campus.

[stickdog99]

As long as the only casualty is the Constitution, I say we all need to give a hearty round of the applause to the police state!

But the Constitution wasn't and hasn't been affected by it, one way or the other. It's exactly where, how and what it was on April 14.

It's not a police state unless the police are running it in some way that goes beyond doing police work. And I wasn't applauding them. I was pointing out that there's no reason to expect an imminent expansion of the crackdown on liberties.

Corporate profits usually have to be at risk before that happens. For one thing. Markets were barely affected by this.

Yep. Nothing to see here, folks. The huge military response to two probable patsies should be applauded. Look on the bright side, fellow frogs! The water is no more than one degree hotter than it was a minute ago!

[compared2what?]

I don't have any political objections to people voluntarily allowing cops into their houses when they reasonably believe it's in their interests.

I imagine your interpretation of "voluntary" is a bit broader than mine.

I doubt it. I forgot to put a qualifier in there. But the "afaik" was in the first post to indicate that as far as I know, nobody got fucked with -- ie, I wouldn't be surprised to learn otherwise. But I also wouldn't be surprised if people let them in voluntarily. They had a reason to believe it was in their interests.

And they can do that if they feel like it, in a free country. As I understand it. Might not be my choice. But that doesn't mean suddenly nobody in the whole country now has one, ever.

It's the same fucked-up it was before.

[justdrew]

C2W:

Wtf are you talking about? Everything has changed. Where you been since 2001, locked up in Gitmo or something? Comments like that make me wonder if you're really that ignorant or forgetful, or just bored and looking for a fight?

Patriot Act, NDAA, blah blah blah. This kid, if they dont just kill him while in custody (because he messed with the coolest city in the world, allegedly) is probably gonna get disappeared as an "enemy combatant" and all of that shit, and it could happen to anybody. It could start happening to any of us because of what we write here, and you don't give a shit about it and blithely proclaim that "nothing has changed"?

Bye. I may be back or i might not be. This isn't the place i used to frequent. Y'all have taken the emoti-bait. Nice to see.

emoti bait?

come on you are so locked into your pet theory you're twisting everything to fit. As for my comment, "we staff our government" - we must not cede contested territory simply because it is contested. I know there's a lot of fishy shit and things look bad, but I'm taking an optimistic view. If I thought things were as bad as you seem to, I don't really see why I would even go on bitching about it, the game would be, as they say, OVER.

sorry if that pisses you off, but I actually think we've still got a chance here, and... most importantly... any bad guys out there, certainly want people as pessimistic and hopeless as possible.

[stefano]

I'm still agnostic about what happened - certainly not seeing the abundant evidence for a Gladio operation that has been jumping out at other, possibly more perspicacious posters - but there is no way that this will not be used to further limit civil liberties. Nothing has happened yet, but let's see what happens next week. You can look at the opinions tweeted by Senator Lindsey Graham (not more extreme than some of your other lawmakers, just less diplomatic):
- "If captured, I hope Administration will at least consider holding the Boston suspect as enemy combatant for intelligence gathering purposes."
- To the Washington Post: "It sure would be nice to have a drone up there."
Congressman Pete King: "Police [...] have to realize that the threat is coming from the Muslim community and increase surveillance there.”

Also the voluminous amount of video evidence that was available to investigators has already made Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel say something about how important security cameras are, and you know this thing is going to be used as motivation in other cities to put up more of them.

[Spiro C. Thiery]

7-Eleven robbery not related to Boston bombing suspects

Margaret Chabris, the director of corporate communication at 7- Eleven, says the surveillance video of the crime was not taken at a 7-Eleven and that the suspect that did rob the 7-Eleven does not look like Tamerlan or Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

"The suspect in the photos for that particular 7-Eleven robbery looks nothing like the suspects," Chabris says. "The police or someone made a mistake. Someone was confused."

The suspects were at the 7-Eleven around the time of the robbery but they did not rob the store said, State Police Superintendent Timothy Alban at an evening press conference on Friday.

In this case there is someone to contradict the story as it has been framed.

In the case of "Authorities say the suspect, along with his brother, killed an MIT police officer, severely wounded another lawman and hurled explosives at police in a car chase and gun battle," there may be no Margaret Chabris to say otherwise.

Not that if things did not play out the way it has been claimed it means the suspects are not guilty of the crime for which they were being pursued. Nevertheless, I cannot wait to see the video that is supposed to implicate the suspects. I'm just surprised that, almost without exception, they are still being classified as such.

[FourthBase]

Wtf are you talking about? Everything had changed. Where you been since 2001, locked up in Gitmo or something? Comments like that make me wonder if you're really that ignorant or forgetful, or just bored and looking for a fight?

Patriot Act, NDAA, blah blah blah. Rhis kid, if they dont just kill him while in custody (because he messed with the coolest city in the world, allegedly) is probably gonna get disappeared as an "enemy combatant" and all of that shit, and it could happen to anybody. It could start happening to any of us because of what we write here, and you don't give a shit about it and blithely proclaim that "nothing has changed"?

Please point us to the....

Oh fuck it. /underreactionoff You are a despicable human being. Quite a few of you, I see.
I'd put up to 10 of you on ignore, but I don't think missing your garbage input would be useful.

Bye. I may be back or i might not be. This isn't the place i used to frequent. Y'all have taken the emoti-bait. Nice to see.

Don't tease. Just leave. Get the fuck out of here, douche. Begone.
It won't be the same place. It'll be better without you. Without several of you, for that matter.
If you don't leave, I might. Start a new board. I'd try to take the best two dozen people with me.
Jeff won't mind, I think. Uh...where is Jeff, anyhow? Jeff?

Anyway, you or me. Who do you think best members here would choose?
If you said you, I think you'd be wrong. If you wouldn't be wrong, then I'm outta here.

[compared2what?]

As long as the only casualty is the Constitution, I say we all need to give a hearty round of the applause to the police state!

But the Constitution wasn't and hasn't been affected by it, one way or the other. It's exactly where, how and what it was on April 14.

It's not a police state unless the police are running it in some way that goes beyond doing police work. And I wasn't applauding them. I was pointing out that there's no reason to expect an imminent expansion of the crackdown on liberties.

Corporate profits usually have to be at risk before that happens. For one thing. Markets were barely affected by this.

Yep. Nothing to see here, folks.

Was the constitution fucking affected? Or not?

The huge military response to two probable patsies should be applauded.

Nobody was applauding.

Also, there was no military response. How you can tell that is:

The military wasn't present or involved in any way.

Look on the bright side, fellow frogs! The water is no more than one degree hotter than it was a minute ago!

How so? It's exactly the same fucking temperature it was last week.
Once again, no applause. I'm just not such a pussy and/or self-indulgent American that I shout "Eek! An infringement on my consitutional rights!" when there hasn't been one and none is being threatened. .

[justdrew]

....

that was not necessary 4B, ones who love peace should TRY making it once in a while

[FourthBase]

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that was not necessary 4B, ones who love peace should TRY making it once in a while

Oh come on. I tried PLENTY. This thread is much, much longer than this page. Read it.
And what, you think the way Nordic is and what he's saying, there'd be peace?
82_28 is verging on it, walking a tightrope between douche and non-douche.
But Fresno and...whatever too lazy to look up names...
Shit is now and forever irreconcilable between me and them.
I learned a lot about people in this thread. Some are good, smart.
Some are tunnel-vision doomophiles who'd rather wank to fear than think.
I don't ever, ever, ever need to interact with those people, that type, ever again.
I suggest other people shit them out of mind, too, because they are POISONED and POISON.