Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[stickdog99]

I don't have any political objections to people voluntarily allowing cops into their houses when they reasonably believe it's in their interests.

I imagine your interpretation of "voluntary" is a bit broader than mine.

I doubt it. I forgot to put a qualifier in there. But the "afaik" was in the first post to indicate that as far as I know, nobody got fucked with -- ie, I wouldn't be surprised to learn otherwise. But I also wouldn't be surprised if people let them in voluntarily. They had a reason to believe it was in their interests.

And they can do that if they feel like it, in a free country. As I understand it. Might not be my choice. But that doesn't mean suddenly nobody in the whole country now has one, ever.

It's the same fucked-up it was before.

So, as far as you know, nobody got fucked with? As far as you know, everybody voluntarily let the police in, because they "reasonably believe it's in their interests" and not because they'd be scared not to.

And if they didn't believe it was in their interest--found the very idea unreasonable at its core? What would have happened to anyone who said, "You know what... No. You cannot search my house." I mean, as far as you know?

This latest massive action in the middle of a major urban center is precedent setting, notwithstanding the degree to which elements of it were not.

Please describe for me the person who would refuse such a search in the context of what was reported about #2 yesterday if the police informed the person that #2 was lurking in the neighborhood. Describe this person, in detail, not as some idealist abstraction.

Me. The dude was not in my house. I don't need the police to confirm that for me. That you feel you do and seem to be challenging anybody who does not to a fistfight is kind of scary.

Yea that is kinda how I feel too.

Hmm. What about duty? If there's a good chance that there is a bomb-exploding maniac in my neighborhood who has already killed three and injured hundreds — and could, conceivably, do the same to hundreds more — don't you and I have a duty to cooperate with the authorities in their efforts to stop him?

Yeah. It's my duty to allow troops to waste their time jacking up my house for no reason at all. I mean, even though I just checked and made sure there wasn't, there just might be a Jew hidden in my attic!

[Simulist]

One thing that this proved is that we no longer just have simple police forces and depts in the US, we now have paramilitary armies policing our streets. There is no difference in looks, capability and resources that they have at their disposal between the domestic police and the US military, none. They dont need to bring military troops and tanks on to the streets like Alex Jones screams about, the cops have been turned in to those troops and they also have tanks etc and they are already on the streets and can be deployed at any time as evidenced in Boston.

Exactly. What is exactly is the difference between between cops who look and perform their duties exactly like like military troops "securing" my neighborhood and actual military troops "securing" my neighborhood?

To preserve "Homeland Security", federal, state and local police forces appear to have been turned into full-fledged paramilitary units. Questioning their existence, methods or whims is not allowed. Terrorists are bad. Paramilitary units in our neighborhoods are good because they protect us from terrorists. "We will hunt them down, and if God help anyone who gets in our way."

Well, that's a pretty short-sighted view. One of the reasons police forces have taken on the look of "full-fledged paramilitary units" is because some of the citizenry in this country are better-armed than they are!

But when someone wants to try and reign in that insanity just a bit by proposing sensible restrictions on certain classes of firearms, fear-fueled portions of the populace go into batshit crazy mode.

[Simulist]

Yeah. It's my duty to allow troops to waste their time jacking up my house for no reason at all. I mean, even though I just checked and made sure there wasn't, there just might be a Jew hidden in my attic!

Seriously? That's your response?

[stickdog99]

I've been home alone all day. I have seen and heard nothing strange. I have heard there is a killer on loose, so I have been extra careful about everything, but today is just a normal day at home.

An army brigade rolls into my neighborhood, knocks at my door and asks to invade and "secure" my home. I don't want to let them in, so I say, "Sorry, but no thank you. Come back when you have a warrant."

Who should I be more afraid of right at this moment, the lone killer not in my house or the army brigade at my door?

[8bitagent]

The FBI now admits they had contact with the older brother, and the parents have suggested they spoke to someone who claimed to be FBI and they said BASICALLY in their own words that the FBI was sort of MENTORING the kid. Even if thats just parental delusion the FBI does admit contact with a potential radical muslim from Chechnya. I dont think it is a huge jump to SUGGEST that MAYBE, it is possible, just maybe, possibly, that they could have used an informant to sort of guide the kid in his beliefs and learning online, steering him to certain informant created radical sites etc and maybe put him in touch with the right people for training when he made his recent visit to the motherland and further guided him to take part in a black op that 'someone' felt needed to happen for whatever reason: more future draconian legislation and curtailing of rights, control of the internet. I suspect with the passage of CISPA and other internet type laws, they will start to show how these homegrown terrorists are created on the internet, IN FACT FOX experts are already saying this guy was in touch with other terrorists on the internet and learned his methods there etc, and they will use it to pass laws further controlling the free expression of information that we all enjoy on the net now. I just dont think a gladio strategy of tension interpretation of these events is out of the question but I am not going to jump on that bandwagon and curse anyone who doesnt agree with it, in the end shit is gonna happen all I want is a heads up so I can take care of my lady love and my cat should shit really ever go down.


I also believe they were at MIT waiting for a potential handler that was supposed to help them in some way and that person never showed up and things got desperate and off script.


All reports suggest they were acting NORMALLY as late as WEDS the kid went to class even then thursday they are at MIT with huge backpacks full of explosives and ammo and it starts there, WHY DID THEY HAVE ALL THEIR COMBAT GEAR when they hijacked that guys car, they had it ALL READY THEN AND THERE for some reason, they knew something was gonna go down that day, EITHER ANOTHER PLANNED OP or an escape with the help of someone, but they were NORMAL one day before then suddenly we find them shooting a cop and hjacking a car and EXPOLSIVES and guns materialize for their USE AT EVERY FUCKING STOP from there on out, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?!?!?! Normal for 3 days after bombing then thursday they are john fucking rambo loaded with bombs and guns and ready for war.


Does anyone see that as a little strange?

They did not have their own car all loaded with gear, they hijacked a car and then all the bombs and ammo abd shit materialized. WTF?


How did all these bombs and guns materialize if they were out carjacking and robbing a 7-11. I can see if they had their own car loaded and ready to go but they carjacked someone else and while in that car they have all these explosives, the cops reported bombs all over the place, guns etc. I dont understand this.

Very odd. I agree, many questions. Like the mystery of Mohammed Atta and Vegas. There has to be accomplices or people they thought were going to happen. But to me you just highlighted
the biggest questions in this whole saga

Fortunately, the people here who understand what I'm saying, what I'm writing...
They know that it's YOU who are the disgrace, the one without sense, without a conscience.

FWIW, I dont think you taking pride in your city has anything to do with jingoism or what people are saying. Boston to me feels unique from what I've read and yeah, it is kind of "oh you wanna do this in our town?" Trust me *I* get it. Maybe that's why Boston was chosen, because it is known for it's pride?

Yeah, and that includes this citizen.
Bad news for those here who just like to come here for their doom jollies.

To me the best threads on here are related to just random weird/sync/slice of life/time/and things more personal and anecdotal. However I just notice
that everyone comes out of the woodwork in these 55 page+ threads, and by page 35 people are at eachother.

[Simulist]

I've been home alone all day. I have seen and heard nothing strange. I have heard there is a killer on loose, so I have been extra careful about everything, but today is just a normal day at home.

An army brigade rolls into my neighborhood, knocks at my door and asks to invade and "secure" my home. I don't want to let them in, so I say, "Sorry, but no thank you. Come back when you have a warrant."

Who should I be more afraid of right at this moment, the lone killer not in my house or the army brigade at my door?

That's a fair question. If an army brigade were at my door, I'd be less concerned about their actual presence and more concerned about what brought about their actual presence.

And yes, the creeping fascism in this nation is of great concern; but a bomb-exploding maniac in the neighborhood of of greater immediate concern.

[stickdog99]

I've been home alone all day. I have seen and heard nothing strange. I have heard there is a killer on loose, so I have been extra careful about everything, but today is just a normal day at home.

An army brigade rolls into my neighborhood, knocks at my door and asks to invade and "secure" my home. I don't want to let them in, so I say, "Sorry, but no thank you. Come back when you have a warrant."

Who should I be more afraid of right at this moment, the lone killer not in my house or the army brigade at my door?

That's a fair question. If an army brigade were at my door, I'd be less concerned about their actual presence and more concerned about what brought about their actual presence.

And yes, the creeping fascism in this nation is of great concern; but a bomb-exploding maniac in the neighborhood of of greater immediate concern.

And anybody who does not assess the relative risks in this manner deserves to have her Constitutional rights taken way. Right? I mean, there is a maniac on the loose somewhere right now!!!

[compared2what?]

I don't have any political objections to people voluntarily allowing cops into their houses when they reasonably believe it's in their interests.

I imagine your interpretation of "voluntary" is a bit broader than mine.

I doubt it. I forgot to put a qualifier in there. But the "afaik" was in the first post to indicate that as far as I know, nobody got fucked with -- ie, I wouldn't be surprised to learn otherwise. But I also wouldn't be surprised if people let them in voluntarily. They had a reason to believe it was in their interests.

And they can do that if they feel like it, in a free country. As I understand it. Might not be my choice. But that doesn't mean suddenly nobody in the whole country now has one, ever.

It's the same fucked-up it was before.

So, as far as you know, nobody got fucked with? As far as you know, everybody voluntarily let the police in, because they "reasonably believe it's in their interests" and not because they'd be scared not to.

And if they didn't believe it was in their interest--found the very idea unreasonable at its core? What would have happened to anyone who said, "You know what... No. You cannot search my house." I mean, as far as you know?

This latest massive action in the middle of a major urban center is precedent setting, notwithstanding the degree to which elements of it were not.

Please describe for me the person who would refuse such a search in the context of what was reported about #2 yesterday if the police informed the person that #2 was lurking in the neighborhood. Describe this person, in detail, not as some idealist abstraction.

Me. The dude was not in my house. I don't need the police to confirm that for me. That you feel you do and seem to be challenging anybody who does not to a fistfight is kind of scary.

Yea that is kinda how I feel too.

Hmm. What about duty? If there's a good chance that there is a bomb-exploding maniac in my neighborhood who has already killed three and injured hundreds — and could, conceivably, do the same to hundreds more — don't you and I have a duty to cooperate with the authorities in their efforts to stop him?

Yeah. It's my duty to allow troops to waste their time jacking up my house for no reason at all. I mean, even though I just checked and made sure there wasn't, there just might be a Jew hidden in my attic!

There might be a guy armed with guns and bombs in your house, threatening you, for all they know. Are you saying that could never, ever happen? Or that they didn't have a reason to think there was such a guy in the vicinity?

Also, there were no troops there.

[Hunter]

I dont know but they found the cop in his cruiser shot in the head, they jack a mercedes, obviously with bug out bags, confess to the guy who they are, let him go after cruising around for a half hour

There are sure a lot of Mercedes in this story. The boys seem to favor that particular marque.

Why are they telling the carjack victim their identities? HELLO WE ARE THE BOMBERS CAN WE HAVE YOUR CAR BTW WE'RE THE BOMBERS G'BYE

This doesn't sound very promising:

7:00 a.m. ET: Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center spokesperson Kelly Lawman says she was asked by the FBI to not give any condition updates on Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. She did confirm he is still alive and currently a patient at the hospital.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2 ... ody-day-2/

Apparently he is currently unable to be questioned.

At this stage we only know of a single intelligence agency with ties to these two gentlemen, and it is our own.

I found it interesting that FOX news said the FBI told the doctors that only the FBI would be giving info out about his medical condition and progress and the doctors would be prohibited from commenting about any of it.


Also, I know doctors pretty well having dealt with many of them both professionally and as friends and I would just love to see how it plays out when the doctor is ordering the patient to be left alone or to be given such and such treatments for medical purposes, they dont generally like ANYONE questioning their orders, and the FBI is demanding access to interrogate, wife said, 'my money is on the govt getting what they want and telling the dr to go fuck himself.'

Sounds about right.


Another Mercedes was mentioned by the auto mechanic interviewed, he said the young brother came in to his shop tuesday afternoon with a mercedes and a friend and told him to fix it right away, when mechanic, who has known him a long time, told him he needed time and had to keep it overnight, the kid told him no I need it right now, please fix it now while we wait. But yea, another Mercedes in a long list of many in this story LOL. That mechanic also said the young brother had on a 900 pair of luis vutton loafers, he specifically asked him about the new shoes and how much he paid for them and the kid told him they were brand new and cost 900 bucks, so why did they need to ronb a 7-11 two days later if he is buying 900 pair of shoes and where did he get the 900 bucks, he is a college student and all reports say he and brother were both getting food stamps and living in a SECTION 8 housing, but then suddenly after the bombing they have pocket full of cash and 900 dollar shoes only to rob a 7-11 a few days later. AND BTW according to the reddit update page, the poster said they did NOT rob a 7-11 and only stopped at a shell station for gas, the 7-11 robbery was a flase report and bad media reporting, so I dont know, I havent confirmed that either way.

[Luther Blissett]

The Marathon Bombing: What the Media Didn’t Warn You About
By Russ Baker on Apr 19, 2013
http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/04/19/the-ma ... you-about/

good night y'all / may tomorrow bring truth, justice and a return to the mythical "American-Way" tm.

A must-read.

[compared2what?]

I've been home alone all day. I have seen and heard nothing strange. I have heard there is a killer on loose, so I have been extra careful about everything, but today is just a normal day at home.

An army brigade rolls into my neighborhood, knocks at my door and asks to invade and "secure" my home. I don't want to let them in, so I say, "Sorry, but no thank you. Come back when you have a warrant."

Who should I be more afraid of right at this moment, the lone killer not in my house or the army brigade at my door?

There's no army brigade at your door. There haven't been any at anybody's recently. And there's no sign or indication that any is being mobilized for that purpose.

The odds of a lone killer are also very low right at this moment.

So neither.

But when there's a suspected lone killer on the loose in the neighborhood (as evidenced by corpses and stuff) and still no army brigade, it would probably make more sense to fear the real threat more than the imaginary one.

[Hunter]

This thread exemplifies what fear will do to people.

What a really pathetic example of dialogue, almost none of this emotional batshit crazy name calling freaking out was necessary. It might be possible to take FB seriously if he got this excited about all the other crimes where people are killed or injured. But no, this turned into a jingoistic hateful pissing match. Considering all the other times the moderators come on here and knock people off their high horse it's very interesting/odd why the heck they allowed this to go on for so long. It's tarnished the reputation of the board.

From FourthBase:
"I cannot see us in Boston letting them whisk him to a secret faraway dungeon. Yes, some here will roar with approval. Torture him, slowly, etc. But even some who wish him harm want him to face it here, in a local prison, attacked by locals, not outsiders. And the majority, maybe, do not want either Gitmo or local beatings, but a fair trial, etc. It's in the constitution, anyway. He's a citizen. No way they whisk him. If they do, I'll worry then. And worry a lot."

Not sure if its possible to take your comment seriously after you waved that ridiculous jingo flag in all our faces and page after page after page told people to fuck off. You question our lack of patriotism? You act like you're the only one allowed to have feelings and rant on and on. Jesus H Christ dude, why the hell are you on this board if you're so damn offended cuz some of us aren't embracing fascism? Get a grip dude, get some sleep and quit waving that ugly flag shit in our faces, it smells of nationalistic tripe better served on Rush Limbaugh.

I said before that I like FB and all and I have tried not to throw more gas on that fire but really, the truth is that the Boston PD is not really a shining example of justice and good behavior, Boston is in fact one of the most racist places in the country and I am NOT saying everyone in Boston is but credible stats have shown that Boston is indeed one of the most racist cities in the US per capita and right up there with some of the worst offenders in the deepest of the deep south. The PD has a history of racist behavior and deep ties with Irish mobsters like Whitey Bulger and others. I understand that Boston PD is not alone wrt that and I am not singling them out for that purpose but I just cant really see how one could argue that they are any better than any other PD, they are all pretty corrupt and involved in all sorts of shady shit, you wouldnt believe the behavior I have witnessed from cops in general when it comes to the treatment of the people I defend in my practice. While I know not all cops are corrupt and far from it, there is enough of it that it is a major problem and a lot of innocent people are railroaded because of it. I have seen everything from major police brutality, suspects beaten in to confessions to outright planting of evidence. It is the reason I do what I do and believe so strongly in the rights of the accused, I respect the victim's rights but someone has to stand up for the accused also as things like habeas corpus and due process are the very bedrock upon which a free society is constructed and maintained.

[Hunter]

well, the world is lost when civil rights and defense attorneys start arguing for unlawful search, I guess.
bah... as soon as I find that rural property that still has internet and is in my price range I'm moving, turning off the news, and happily raising my dinners.

I hope youre not referring to me because if you are you didnt read all of my posts or anything I have written. I, in no way, shape or form, have argued in favor of any of that, and never will.

I am, to the contrary, quite disturbed about all of this and the PRECEDENT that it sets for future events.


STIMULIST to answer your question, yes there is some duty and obligation to cooperate, to some extent, but if I choose not to, REASONABLY, I dont think I should be treated like a criminal myself, there are countless reports all over reddit threads of people being treated very badly for asking cops questions or asking them to clarify an order, it was expected that everyone do exactly as told with no hesitation whatsoever and anyone who showed any pause at all when ordered to do this or that were apparently treated pretty harshly by the authorities.

[Spiro C. Thiery]

I've been home alone all day. I have seen and heard nothing strange. I have heard there is a killer on loose, so I have been extra careful about everything, but today is just a normal day at home.

An army brigade rolls into my neighborhood, knocks at my door and asks to invade and "secure" my home. I don't want to let them in, so I say, "Sorry, but no thank you. Come back when you have a warrant."

Who should I be more afraid of right at this moment, the lone killer not in my house or the army brigade at my door?

There's no army brigade at your door. There haven't been any at anybody's recently. And there's no sign or indication that any is being mobilized for that purpose.

The odds of a lone killer are also very low right at this moment.

So neither.

But when there's a suspected lone killer on the loose in the neighborhood (as evidenced by corpses and stuff) and still no army brigade, it would probably make more sense to fear the real threat more than the imaginary one.

All this is moot, really, because the massive display of force is not what "caught" either one of them.

[lyrimal]

With witnesses recounting authorities stating 'Be calm, it's just a drill' before the explosions, essentially commanding attendees to turn off their perp radar, I hope in the future people will remain more vigilant, especially when authorities assure them not to worry. A lot may be at stake... cough(cityinvasion,cispa,etc)cough

As well, somewhat rhetorically, since they were drilling that day, presumably, they would need fake bombs, and people to place them. By my count, there should be evidence of both fake and real bombs being placed, not simply one or the other.