Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[The Consul]

"..brutal but cautious..." But not so cautious that they kept me or took away my cell phone and dumped me somewhere where I couldn't get to a phone for at least 2 hours."

And now comes the linking of Tamerlane to the triple murder (being called a "near beheading") in Waltham a couple of years ago with comments supposedly coming from unamed law enforcement officials who say Tamerlane was training with one of the victims....so WTF didn't they interview him after the crime? or did they try and were they blocked by FBI? I mean if the msm is going to speculate using words like "perhaps" "he could have" "wondered if" why not go all the way and speculate as to who his controllers "might have been" if what his mother is saying is true?


Only one thing is certain: This one is going to get weirder and weirder.

[stickdog99]

Also, the guy claims his life was spared because he's not American. But he refrained from sharing his nationality with us. Why? Could it be that he's Russian or Chechen?

[stickdog99]

"..brutal but cautious..." But not so cautious that they kept me or took away my cell phone and dumped me somewhere where I couldn't get to a phone for at least 2 hours."

And not so brutal that they hurt him physically in any way. LOL. Where did this guy come up with "brutal and cautious" from? They were anything but either in their interactions with him, at least as the story goes.

[justdrew]

FBI disputes mother's claim they tracked elder bombing suspect
By Terry Frieden, CNN Justice Producer | April 22, 2013 -- Updated 1510 GMT

Washington (CNN) -- The FBI has flatly rejected an assertion by the mother of the two suspected Boston bombers that the bureau had been tracking her oldest son and had spoken with him last week after the deadly marathon bombing.

The chief spokesman for the FBI, Mike Kortan, said he continues to stand by an FBI statement issued Friday that said that the only communication the FBI ever had with Tamerlan Tsarnaev was an interview agents conducted with him in 2011 at the urging of a foreign government, since identified as Russia.

Zubeidat Tsarnaev, the mother of the suspected bombers, told reporters the FBI had tracked her oldest son for as long as five years.

The FBI on Sunday referred again to the previous statement that agents did not know the identities of alleged bombers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev until Friday.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26 was killed in a gunfight with police early Friday. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, was captured Friday night and is hospitalized in serious condition.

[stickdog99]

Time asks: Why were these guys so stupid?

How does this fit in the "They let me go because I was not American" narrative?

Tarek Ahmed was working at gas station in Cambridge, Mass. Thursday night when a young man ran into his store screaming.

"Call the police! Call the police! These people are trying to kill me!"

The young man was allegedly carjacked at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology by the two men authorities now say have been identified as the Boston Marathon bombing suspects.

Authorities said early Friday the suspects dropped off the victim after driving around with him for about 30 minutes.

Ahmed, 45, described the young man as Caucasian and between 20 and 25 years old. He said the young man ran into his store "shaking and scared and very nervous."

[stickdog99]

Kid's friends say he was a nice, regular kid

[stickdog99]

LOL

Police sources said the driver of the Mercedes knows he is lucky to be alive.

'Considering they were killing people at will, he know he is lucky they did not shoot him,' said the source.

'They had just killed a police officer so had no worries about killing again. He is very lucky.'

[barracuda]

[stillrobertpaulsen]

"..brutal but cautious..." But not so cautious that they kept me or took away my cell phone and dumped me somewhere where I couldn't get to a phone for at least 2 hours."

And now comes the linking of Tamerlane to the triple murder (being called a "near beheading") in Waltham a couple of years ago with comments supposedly coming from unamed law enforcement officials who say Tamerlane was training with one of the victims....so WTF didn't they interview him after the crime? or did they try and were they blocked by FBI? I mean if the msm is going to speculate using words like "perhaps" "he could have" "wondered if" why not go all the way and speculate as to who his controllers "might have been" if what his mother is saying is true?


Only one thing is certain: This one is going to get weirder and weirder.

Thanks for mentioning, hadn't heard the Waltham triple murder story, very interesting.

A sinister link? Those who knew bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev question involvement in triple homicide
Tsarnaev once said he was best friends with a Waltham, Mass., man named Brendan Mess. He was found dead with two other men in September 2011, and the case remains unsolved. Officials have declined to speculate on a connection between Mess' death and Tsarnaev.

By Erik Ortiz / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, April 22, 2013, 1:17 PM

Has he killed before?

Given the tarnished reputation of dead terror suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, his former acquaintances are questioning whether there’s a more sinister link between him and a grisly triple homicide two years ago involving one of his close friends.

The unsolved case continues to stump investigators in the Boston suburb of Waltham, where Tsarnaev’s friend, 25-year-old Brendan Mess, was found murdered Sept. 12, 2011, in his apartment.

Mess, along with two other men, had their throats slit by either an ice pick or knife, and their bodies were covered in marijuana. The attack was made even more bizarre after police said $5,000 was left at the blood-splattered scene.

A man identified as Ray, a friend of Mess who also knew Tsarnaev in the same social circle in Cambridge, told BuzzFeed that it was strange how Tsarnaev was nowhere to be found after his buddy’ death.

“Tam wasn’t there at the memorial service, he wasn’t at the funeral, he wasn’t around at all,” Ray said. “And he was really close with Brendan.”

Tsarnaev — accused of plotting the Boston Marathon bombing — was fatally wounded in a shootout with cops early Friday. The former competitive boxer previously told a photographer that he had no American friends after immigrating to the U.S. from Russia in 2002.

But the owner of a gym where Tsarnaev used to train said he once introduced Mess as his best friend, The Boston Globe reported.

“That’s why it’s so weird when he said, ‘I don't have any American friends,’” Ray said.

“He was somebody who was in contact with Brendan on a daily basis,” he added. “Anybody like that you would think they would have been around.”

Authorities believe Mess’ murder was not random and could have been drug-related, The Globe reported at the time.

The Middlesex County District Attorney’s Office declined to discuss any possible connection between his death and Tsarnaev.

DA spokeswoman Stephanie Guyotte wouldn’t say whether they've received any new tips in the case because of the increased attention.

“We will continue to pursue any leads provided to us,” she told the Daily News on Monday.

Mess’ family couldn’t immediately be reached for comment.

I can't help thinking, where there's drug connections, often there is intelligence connections.

[General Patton]

Other posted this, but it's quite a contrast:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/t ... bled=false

“Tam wasn’t there at the memorial service, he wasn’t at the funeral, he wasn’t around at all,” Ray said. “And he was really close with Brendan.”

“That’s why it’s so weird when he said, ‘I don't have any American friends,’” Ray said.

“He was somebody who was in contact with Brendan on a daily basis,” he added. “Anybody like that you would think they would have been around.”

"The photos reveal that, despite living in the US for more than five years, he had trouble assimilating, and claimed not to have "a single American friend" and didn’t understand “them”."

So they're thinking he was first radicalized sometime between 2009 and 2010.

[Iamwhomiam]

"Call the police! Call the police! These people are trying to kill me!"

2 hours to find a phone? Hardly believable that after 2 hours time he would say the words quoted above, and completely unbelievable that it took 2 hours to locate a telephone, imo.

NPR reported hearsay today from a friend who's lived on the same block as the alleged Bomber Brothers. But then unless you were there, all news is hearsay. What this fellow said was that the family was trouble and troubled and that the police had been called to quell disturbances at their home several times. He also claimed that the brothers were neighborhood bullies.

It could be understandable that the family had been or is dysfunctional, consider the horrors they experienced while in Russia or Chechnya or Dagestan or wherever it was the Russians were trying to and still are reclaim control of. Seems a bit difficult to pin down where exactly they originated. The Aunt I believe it was, who claimed the boys had never been in Chechnya.

[barracuda]

"Call the police! Call the police! These people are trying to kill me!"

2 hours to find a phone? Hardly believable that after 2 hours time he would say the words quoted above, and completely unbelievable that it took 2 hours to locate a telephone, imo.

No, that's not right, it didn't take him two hours, you're misunderstanding something. He entered the gas station very shortly after he was released/escaped.

[Julian the Apostate]

CBS News

Meanwhile, the FBI said in an affidavit that Dzhokhar Tsarnaevwas seen using a cellphone after placing a knapsack on the ground at an explosion site. The document did not say whether he is thought to have used the cellphone as a detonator.

The affidavit also said one of the bombers told a carjacking victim, "Did you hear about the Boston explosion? I did that."

Carjacking "victim" spared because he wasn't American

The two brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon’s finish line told the man they carjacked on Thursday night that they only decided not to kill him because he “wasn’t an American,” according to a report Monday. NBC’s Pete Williams said the man, who asked not to be identified, told police that Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev said they spared his life because he was not an American.

“He also told the police investigators after this episode, when they finally got to him — he is the one who called 911 — that they let him out of the car and didn’t kill him because he wasn’t an American,” Williams said.

Williams said NBC had exchanged e-mails with the victim, who described the suspects as “brutal but cautious.” He said the victims didn’t want to appear on camera.

Meanwhile, a senior United States official told The New York Times that the Tsarnaev brothers may have been headed to New York City in the Mercedes-Benz SUV they hijacked Thursday, although it’s not clear if they planned on further attacks there. Williams said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that the carjacking victim had heard the suspects - who were speaking in a foreign language - use the word “Manhattan.”

“He told the police that he couldn’t understand what they were saying but that he thought it was, quote, blah, blah, blah, blah, Manhattan blah, blah, blah,” Williams said, adding: “The police who have heard this story understand what the [victim] was saying, but doubt that he could really understand what they were saying.”

What a surprise that the guy asked not to be identified, doesn't want to be seen on camera, and will only respond via email. Once again I ask, "Who is this victim?"

Apologize if stuff to this effect has already been addressed, I'm having trouble keeping up with this thread...

Anyway the victim understood them speaking a foreign language. What language did they speak? Chechen? If so there are only about 1.3m speakers, according to wiki. Quite a fortuitous carjacking...

[KeenInsight]

FBI disputes mother's claim they tracked elder bombing suspect
By Terry Frieden, CNN Justice Producer | April 22, 2013 -- Updated 1510 GMT

Washington (CNN) -- The FBI has flatly rejected an assertion by the mother of the two suspected Boston bombers that the bureau had been tracking her oldest son and had spoken with him last week after the deadly marathon bombing.

The chief spokesman for the FBI, Mike Kortan, said he continues to stand by an FBI statement issued Friday that said that the only communication the FBI ever had with Tamerlan Tsarnaev was an interview agents conducted with him in 2011 at the urging of a foreign government, since identified as Russia.

Zubeidat Tsarnaev, the mother of the suspected bombers, told reporters the FBI had tracked her oldest son for as long as five years.

The FBI on Sunday referred again to the previous statement that agents did not know the identities of alleged bombers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev until Friday.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26 was killed in a gunfight with police early Friday. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, was captured Friday night and is hospitalized in serious condition.

Hahaha. FBI is just covering their associates who are linked to it, and do work for the FBI. Saves them the embarrassment for the rampant corruption in those agencies since they have no control over whoever is pulling the puppet strings. I seriously feel bad for people in those agencies that do want to make a difference and aren't involved in any conspiracy of the willing, like the Mulders and Scullies.

They can say the same thing about JFK, RFK, or MLK, but they aren't fooling anyone, accept for those that pull the wool over their eyes.

[Iamwhomiam]

Yes, I certainly did!. Thanks fish. It happens sometimes. Here's what I misinterpreted, from Consul's posting, the first on P. 76:

"But not so cautious that they kept me or took away my cell phone and dumped me somewhere where I couldn't get to a phone for at least 2 hours." Seems I skipped over "But not so cautious that..."

Now the 30 minute detention before release makes complete sense, too.

Edited once to insert missing 'but'.