Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[Simulist]

thanks everyone for pointing out the timestamp thing..
this is why we come together and look for answers, tho, no?

Most people here appear honestly to be looking for answers, yes; some others have appeared to be looking for confirmation of their biases.

this isn't proof that someone is 'rushing to judgment' with 'preconceived notions' at all.

"Proof"? Probably not quite. But it does seem awfully suggestive of it.

Though in all fairness wasnt it MacCruiskeen that posted it originally? Does that matter? And isnt easy to trust a prominent poster - and follow their lead? And wasnt it Mac that posted the blurry boat pic and started drawing conclusions? It just seems unfair that some of this is coming down on canadian_watcher.
edited to spell MacCruiskeen properly- I hope I did anyway?

MacCruiskeen did post the screenshot, yes. I wasn't sure just what he was trying to say, so I asked him.

Canadian_watcher responded with her thoughts, and the conversation continued on from there.

Nice to see you, by the way, Burnt Hill.

[Burnt Hill]

^ yes, I thought I had edited my post, but never hit submit, brain fog is thick lately!
I think I understand where you are coming from now, in regards to confirmation bias.
Aaand its great to have you back here Simulist!
And while I supported the temporary ban, its great to have FB back too! (see how that works iam...? just like family!).
All in all great thread, easy to get past the chaff, lets remember to respect each other- and be careful out there!

[DrVolin]

Good catch on the Sacco and Vanzetti thing.

[8bitagent]

For the record, it was just because I couldn't.
That was all stuff I had gathered up and written in the last few days.

That said, I'm not sure if there's any connection between the Boston bomb brothers and *that* circle of intrigue, but it does provide context.

Not so fast, lol, my excellent associative friend.
There may yet be a connection. Let's find out.

(That rumor I heard last Friday night? Before the Elvis dude was released?
Cops investigating Braintree Motel 6 and Braintree post office.)

Some questions I had over my mini-respite:

- How long had Sunil Tripathi been dead?
Was he ever spotted by anyone when missing?
What was the deal with that blogger who doubted the airbrushed Sunil story?
If the coroner determines Tripathi was alive up until last week...
Will the coroner wind up strapped with a bomb and barbed wire?
If the scanner ID of Tripathi led to his capture...
Would there be photos found of him on Boylston St.?
Would the few early #2 pics look enough like Tripathi?

- Did Tyler Wood and Chris Kyle ever meet? Talk?
Why does Wood keep spontaneously lying about being a veteran?
Why does he seem so...shady...shifty...faux-benevolent?

- Did the two MA National Guard dudes see anything in front of LensCrafters around 2:50?
What was their specific assignment that day? Respond to the aftermath of a WMD attack? (Nods.)
The one with the Craft hat...where did he get it? Online? Training? Employment? Friend? Boss?
(It's definitely a Craft hat, see the little flag on the right side.)

- Was the Mehanna kid right re: being persecuted (by Carmen Ortiz) for not turning informant?
How many, if any, of these previous Boston mosque militants ever met Tamerlan?
Who in the ungodly fuck is "Misha"? A white guy? A convert? Converted when?

- When do we get to see the clip of #2 setting down the backpack?
Sure, it might spoil testimony in a trial, but, the video is good enough...no?

- All the reminiscers of #2 (and #1), again: Who are they? (All of them...who.)

- A townie cab driver picked up both at Malden T; they seem to have just picked up a bomb...where?

- Wait, so now they only had a single pistol???? WTF?????

I have to say crickkets repost of your facebook articles were some of the best context in this 100 page thread regarding the history of Boston and modern foreign extremism.
You definitely nailed it. The Aaifa Siddiqi yarn is another avenue of interest most do not know about.

And now that you got me thinking, is is strange that Sunil's body would turn up in the river a few days after the Boston bombers were captured. What the heck is that all about?
With 9/11 there was a lot of odd side weirdness that may or may not have been connected(like the Memphis TN DMV gang that had WTC access passes)

And now this "Brothers Planned To Bomb Time Square"

The surviving Boston Marathon suspect has told investigators that he and his brother decided after the attack to set off more of their arsenal — as many as six bombs — in Times Square, authorities in New York said Thursday.

The suspect, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, first told investigators that the brothers were headed for New York to party after the marathon blasts, but he said under later questioning that they changed plans on the fly and intended a second attack there, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg told reporters that city officials were informed by the FBI of the turn in the investigation on Wednesday night. City officials were told that “the surviving attacker revealed that New York City was next on their list of targets. He and his brother had intended to drive to New York and detonate additional explosives in Times Square,” he said.
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Senior law enforcement officials cautioned to NBC News that the idea was undeveloped. One senior official described the plan as “aspirational at most.”

but...

The brothers’ decision was spontaneous and came after they carjacked an SUV and before a shootout with suburban Boston police early Friday, Kelly said. At that time, they had one bomb made with a kitchen pressure cooker and five pipe bombs, he said.

Well isnt that interesting.

[8bitagent]

Muntasser was not convicted for tax fraud. He was prosecuted for not declaring that his charity published a newletter and operated a website on its Form 990. Technically, that's perjury. Because just like every other person who fills out a tax form and signs it in the entire country, he did so under penalty of perjury.

That's not usually something that incurs a fine or penalty, let alone triggers a federal prosecution. If it were, there wouldn't be more than a few dozen charities in America that weren't on trial. I mean, Operation Blessing is an international relief charity. And per its 2009 filing, it spent $254, 397, 598 on "indigent, disaster relief" on six continents during the preceding tax year. That's a lot of money and very little detail. So I'm willing to take a chance on there having been some activity that wasn't disclosed. So why isn't the federal government trying Pat Robertson for his ties to terrorism?

Seriously. Muntasser was tried on those charges because the government didn't have a better case to make against him, in the absence of proof that he'd committed any crimes. If they could have proved he was giving financial or other support to terrorism, they would have charged him with doing it. It's against the law. Instead, they prosecuted him for something that's literally routinely beneath the state's notice for everybody else who does it. .

My take has long been(least for the past eight years), that the Massachusetts realm of "terror financing charities" were protected cutouts of cutouts. Meaning nesting dolls where even those accused probably had little knowledge of the true nature of which they were involved with. My take is that Wahhabist networks manipulated or attached to globalist interests by 2001 had a lot of safe houses and hidden financial networks around the United States. But even more hidden was a technological backbone, something Indira Singh gets into. By the time the feds got around to raiding some of these businesses, the real dual purpose had long been gone. Like a criminal using your backyard tool shed for nefarious purposes and then leaving by the time you go to investigate. My take is that 9/11 was a lot more hidden than an "inside job by neocons" as people allege. For all we know 9/11 could have spooked even those that truthers assume had knowledge of. "Angel is next". Perhaps there was a very hidden program aspect to Ptech that erased itself immediately after 9/11.

Indira Singh talked about BMI real estate, Ptech, Care/Al Kifah, Bannon Technologies, Logan Furniture, other fronts in Braintree/Quincy Mass as well as Yasin al Qadi. But again, all these could have been cutouts of cutouts.

[8bitagent]

No, no, no. I didn't mean it was a libel issue.

I just meant the tactics we're all decrying the threat of were used on him. That was a political prosecution. I'm totally opposed to that.

Doesn't mean none of the facts brought out by it aren't true, wrt connections, money, etc. Or that they aren't meaningful.

It's basically the flip side of the you-have-rights-or-you-don't argument. The guy was or wasn't doing something the state had a right to put him in jail for. As far as I can see, he wasn't. So it sets a worse precedent than the police using tactical gear does, imo.

Right, but, if he had been knowingly funding terrorism (and not just some tranquil interpretation of "jihad") but the government for whatever reason balked at prosecuting him on that charge, perhaps because of a shadowy can of worms it could open (*cough*PTech*cough*) or because he was indirectly part of some national security agenda, then that could actually be a political non-prosecution, and I would be totally opposed to not prosecuting him.

Well, take Anwar al Awlaki. People can search my posts to 2007 when I wrote a big thread about him(AKA Anwar al-Auluqi) I mean here's a guy totally known to the FBI as being a liason for bin Laden and al Qaeda as of 1999.
He was hanging out with two of the 9/11 hijackers in San Diego and bringing them to Falls Church Virginia to stay at a WAMY center(another bin Laden linked charity front) Now we find out Khalid Sheikh Mohamed and Ramzi bin Alshidh had Awlakis phone number, Saudi agents were guiding Awlaki in San Diego(details of a welcoming party of al Hazmi and al Midhar included Saudi agents and Awlaki, as well as that FBI informant Abdusattar Sheikh)
AND NOW we learn Awlaki bought the friggin plane tickets for Mohamed Atta and some of the other hijackers.

Yet Awlaki was invited to the Pentagon a few months later and when the FBI nabbed him finally in 2002, higher ups mysteriously told them to let him go. Fast forward 5/6 years, and he's all the sudden the "new bin Laden".
I mean gimme a friggin break. It's like Mamoun Darkazanli, a very high level middle man and bag man for bin Laden who is being protected by the German BND...despite being part of the "Hamburg Cell" with Atta.
ISI probably only gave the CIA KSM and bin alshidh as they outlived their usefulness.

You know those movies where a plucky cop discovers the other cops are crooked as hell or something isnt right? Thats like when good FBI agents tried to do their job with warning about the hijackers, charity fronts, etc.

[8bitagent]

Yea, it is understandable that many people here and elsewhere, including myself, became frustrated over some of this wild eyed speculation that has been happening, I do believe, with further wild eyed speculation, that the CT community has been infiltrated by 'someone" or some 'group' of people that seemingly have an interest in discrediting anyone and everyone who questions official stories about anything. I think it started to get real bad around Aurora and it hit a peak with Sandy Hook and the whole 'it didnt happen and no kids died' meme and has been crusing along on auto pilot on through this Boston Bombing and many otherwise intelligent people and researchers have fallen for it.

It is a disease that has spread far and wide and I hate it.

I found myself arguing on a Facebook thread momentarily who was pushing both the Sandy Hook and Boston "hoax" angles. They seriously had the gall to look at high resolution photos of stomach churning images of people with leg bones, tissue, muscle and blood everywhere and say it's all "actors". Then ya get accused of "supporting the official story". Unbelievable.

It's the same frustration I felt when people insisted there was no Flight 77 or Flight 93, or there was no planes. Or drone planes. That shit makes no sense. Now, I dont know why they never released the Flight 93 audio. I dont know why there isnt better footage of the Pentagon being hit. Or why there isnt more pictures of the passenger victims like there is of the charred Pentagon workers. I dont know. But I dont make the leap to conclude there were no passengers.

And when things ARE debunked, people dont want to hear it. Blue tarps, fake bin ladens, hidden plane pods...its so maddening. Hell I wouldnt doubt that the "Tim Osman" and "kidney dialysis" is bullshit too.

[justdrew]

Well, take Anwar al Awlaki. People can search my posts to 2007 when I wrote a big thread about him(AKA Anwar al-Auluqi) I mean here's a guy totally known to the FBI as being a liason for bin Laden and al Qaeda as of 1999.
He was hanging out with two of the 9/11 hijackers in San Diego and bringing them to Falls Church Virginia to stay at a WAMY center(another bin Laden linked charity front) Now we find out Khalid Sheikh Mohamed and Ramzi bin Alshidh had Awlakis phone number, Saudi agents were guiding Awlaki in San Diego(details of a welcoming party of al Hazmi and al Midhar included Saudi agents and Awlaki, as well as that FBI informant Abdusattar Sheikh)
AND NOW we learn Awlaki bought the friggin plane tickets for Mohamed Atta and some of the other hijackers.

Yet Awlaki was invited to the Pentagon a few months later and when the FBI nabbed him finally in 2002, higher ups mysteriously told them to let him go. Fast forward 5/6 years, and he's all the sudden the "new bin Laden".
I mean gimme a friggin break. It's like Mamoun Darkazanli, a very high level middle man and bag man for bin Laden who is being protected by the German BND...despite being part of the "Hamburg Cell" with Atta.
ISI probably only gave the CIA KSM and bin alshidh as they outlived their usefulness.

You know those movies where a plucky cop discovers the other cops are crooked as hell or something isnt right? Thats like when good FBI agents tried to do their job with warning about the hijackers, charity fronts, etc.

hey, check this out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al_Awlaki#In_the_United_States.3B_1990.E2.80.932002

it presents a lot of these factettes in more context. Totally explains why he was invited to talk at a Bs pentagon luncheon... the peon tasked with finding a moderate imam looked in the media, and found him. post 9/11 he was making the rounds in media as a moderate American Muslim cleric.

The arrest and release are also explained, including the name of the persons responsible and the reasons.

This get's played up a lot, but the primary pusher of this factette was Rupert Murdock's FOX news, his NY Post and a couple of his republican congressmen. They constantly want to play both ends, "don't take our liberty" while calling for it to be taken from any and every convenient target for their faux-populist wrath.

The overriding purpose is to make americans distrust and hate their own government, for carrying out the very policies they constantly push for. RIGHT THERE is the nexus of the beast and in the end, I bet the whole shit storm of terrorism could be tracked right back to them. No doubt murdock is just a small part of it, but we're looking for a network of OLD, RICH, WHITE (and blue?), MEN, who're orchestrating this. The Church committee happened, the citizens assassinations review board happened. All that and more can happen again, with the political will to act on findings, but NOT if most everyone who pays attention is politically disabled by a psiwar agenda that removes their votes from the equations. We CAN still clean house.

Does this script sound familiar???

Moving to the UK for several months, he gave talks to up to 200 youths at a time. He urged young Muslim followers: "The important lesson to learn here is never, ever trust a kuffar [non-Muslim]. Do not trust them! [They] are plotting to kill this religion. They're plotting night and day."

cross out muslim and write in christian and you've got a fundamental messaging point hit by right wing forces in this country everyday on tv, radio, blogs, etc.

[seemslikeadream]

would they have shut down NYC if the boys hadn't run out of gas?

[compared2what?]

Bloomberg would do that because he thought young ladies were wearing too much make-up nowadays, if he could get away with it.

Also, they do it all the time for the weather. And did it for some trouble we had at the old WTC, some years back.

So probably.

ON EDIT: Hurricane Irene was actually the first complete shutdown, as far as I can remember anyway. It actually might have been more than just NYC, though. (Suffolk, Nassau, etc.) Sandy definitely was.

[Iamwhomiam]

C_w, someone should tell that guy growing weed anywhere in the US is a felony. A few, in fact.

While I suppose federal law hasnt changed, growing mj is legal in many states, right? or am I missing something here?
And the feds have only prosecuted extremely selectively- like Tommy Chong. minor point I suppose, but I think things are changing. Our Local DA and LE have said they will no longer prosecute, or even arrest minor marijuana possession and growing.
http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=834223
Ithaca’s mayor supports legalizing marijuana, encourages police to focus on other issues

"The larger lesson here is that the drug war has failed and continues to bring hardships on average Americans — including those who are severely ill," writes Myrick. "Every year, millions of dollars are spent on law enforcement and thousands of young people — disproportionately young people of color — have their futures destroyed for possession of small amounts of cannabis."

I'm not quite sure which states allow one to grow weed. I know they do in Marin County in California. However it is still felonious to do so. The feds can prosecute at will and do.

We may in NY seem medical marijuana legalized before this year's end.

The attitude of DAs no longer willing to prosecute possession of small amounts of weed is based mostly upon the glut of first time offenders overfilling our jails and prisons, not just on moral principals. They want to free-up room for more dangerous criminals.

This is the case in Albany County. We have a two term African American DA who knows well the damage done to lives ruined by arrests for non-violent victimless crimes and is working to change that. He has introduced a drug court where alternative sentences are determined I'm pretty sure by peers, usually some sort of community service, which, if they complete it successfully and don't get into any other trouble, usually for 6 months, perhaps longer, their record is expunged. I'll ask him to clarify my understanding and get back to you early next week.

Oh, I forgot to add this, a link to a report prepared by the Center for Law & Justice entitled "What Have We Done?: Mass Incarceration and the Targeting of Albany’s Black Males by Federal, State, and Local Authorities" http://www.cflj.org/cflj/what-have-we-done.pdf

edited once to add last paragraph

[Canadian_watcher]

would they have shut down NYC if the boys hadn't run out of gas?

I would have liked to have seen that door to door search! One wonders if Park Ave would have been spared.

[8bitagent]

hey, check this out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al_A ... .80.932002

it presents a lot of these factettes in more context. Totally explains why he was invited to talk at a Bs pentagon luncheon... the peon tasked with finding a moderate imam looked in the media, and found him. post 9/11 he was making the rounds in media as a moderate American Muslim cleric.

The arrest and release are also explained, including the name of the persons responsible and the reasons.

This get's played up a lot, but the primary pusher of this factette was Rupert Murdock's FOX news, his NY Post and a couple of his republican congressmen. They constantly want to play both ends, "don't take our liberty" while calling for it to be taken from any and every convenient target for their faux-populist wrath.

The overriding purpose is to make americans distrust and hate their own government, for carrying out the very policies they constantly push for. RIGHT THERE is the nexus of the beast and in the end, I bet the whole shit storm of terrorism could be tracked right back to them. No doubt murdock is just a small part of it, but we're looking for a network of OLD, RICH, WHITE (and blue?), MEN, who're orchestrating this. The Church committee happened, the citizens assassinations review board happened. All that and more can happen again, with the political will to act on findings, but NOT if most everyone who pays attention is politically disabled by a psiwar agenda that removes their votes from the equations. We CAN still clean house.

Does this script sound familiar???

Could use some better writing, but good to see his page has been updated. My read is he gladly played his role as the invisible cipher, the dual minded jekyl/hide. I highly doubt it's all a series of coincidences.
It's like when Melvin Lattimore says he was at the wrong place/wrong time in regards to the terrorists involved in WTC 1993, OKC 1995 and 9/11. Unless these guys are like Forrest Gump.
These hidden networks(and I agree, I have long believed the real orchestrators of 9/11 are not Arabic or even Muslim as much as they may be religious) love to use men like Awlaki as much as they love their
bin Ladens/Zawahiris/KSMs. Maybe Awlaki did a lot of good inspiration and works, but in my view he was a puppet.

A prominent Saudi has stock in Fox News Corp, yet Fox News aired an hour long documentary exposing Saudi intelligence and Awlaki's role in 9/11. Which in a way makes the Bush people look bad and certainly makes the Bush era CIA look bad.

[FourthBase]

Okay, justdrew, think about it for a minute: So some lackey mistakenly invited Awlaki to the Pentagon for a conference. Okay, fine. But do you realize the kind of vetting that would've occurred? People don't get through the door there merely because a lackey finds a name through googling. Talking about one of the most intensive background checks imaginable, right? Especially for that conference?

In other news the carjackee has been identified...well, almost.
A rich kid engineer Northeastern grad from China nicknamed "Danny", is all, for now.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/0 ... story.html

Danny spoke softly but steadily in a 2 1/2 hour interview at his Cambridge apartment with a Globe reporter and a Northeastern criminology professor, James Alan Fox, who had counseled Danny after the former graduate student approached his engineering adviser at Northeastern.

Wow, Iamwhomiam, you weren't kidding!

In other news, after reading that mind-blowing Taibbi article, besides thinking of "The Other Guys", I started thinking about the recent gold plummet, and the 200 billion dollar AP Twitter fiasco. And the ricin letter, in that people are commenting on the parallels to 9/11, with the attack and the bio-warfare letter. But now, what about the financial parallel? Were the gold and AP thing the equivalent of the put options? Did maybe somebody not click their mouse fast enough to register the right put option or whatever before the marathon, and so had to scramble to hire a hacker to do the AP thing as a make-up gesture? Will the SEC find anyone who curiously benefited from that, or will the culprit have been working for someone above the law?

[Iamwhomiam]

Why not start planning for the post apocalypse now?

Yeah, I know. Everyday I engage in habits that will hasten my death. Gotta do my bit.

A question that sometimes pops up in my mind, when we enter full on martial law, will they take the opportunity to mow down us slaves? Perhaps it will matter even less then and we'll be rounded up with everyone else.

Humans are as predictably horrible as they've always been, to each other, and the planet. I just feel bad for the small portion of potential good and potential joy that is lost, and the kids, as cliche as that may sound. If there's an afterlife, and they try to send me back as a human, Ima gonna blow up the universe.

Thanks for that Willow. Your first and last lines broke me up! Not sure how to answer your question, though. I doubt they'll mow us down... too messy to clean up and too stinky. They'll probably zombify us and have us march ourselves into the furnaces to fuel the fires of industry, or to just keep 'em toasty warm.