Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

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Postby justdrew » Fri May 10, 2013 7:41 pm

Malcolm Shabazz, the once-troubled grandson of Malcolm X, was killed in Mexico this week. While a statement was first issued via Twitter and Facebook by Shabazz family friend and public relations professional (for whom Shabazz once worked) Terrie Williams, Talking Points Memo’s Hunter Walker confirmed it separately with Shabazz’s friend Juan Ruiz of RUMEC San Jose.

Ruiz told TPM, “He was murdered. He was in Mexico City and I believe they attempted to rob him and he didn’t allow it, so they beat him to death and he died on his way to the hospital.”

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Shabazz, who was reportedly attending John Jay College in New York, had been politically active in recent years, albeit in fringe causes like 9/11 trutherism. He said in a statement in March that his visits to Syria to study between 2008 and 2010 and to Libya with former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) in 2011 had aroused the suspicions of authorities and additionally documented a pattern of what he termed police harassment in Middletown, NY, where he had been a resident most of his adult life.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/10/malcom-xs-grandson-malcolm-shabazz-killed-in-an-apparent-robbery-attempt-in-mexico/





oh hey 8bit, look where I found that story, that liberal gatekeeper site :wink: You see that anywhere else? :P
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 10, 2013 7:48 pm

well I am in good company with Robert (October Surprise) Perry and that's just fine with me

no one can refute Perry is the MAN on republican dirty tricks...if there was one here he'd be on it like stink on shit

Republican Hypocrisy on Benghazi
May 10, 2013
Exclusive: Official Washington is obsessing over the Benghazi “scandal,” proof that the Republicans and their right-wing media can make the smallest things big and the biggest things small. It is a disparity that has distorted how Americans understand their recent history, writes Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

You have to hand it to the Republicans and their right-wing media: they are persistent in pushing their conspiracy theories no matter how improbable or insignificant, just as they are relentless in covering up GOP wrongdoing even when that behavior strikes at the heart of democratic institutions or costs countless lives.

So, we have the contrast between the nine high-profile hearings about last September’s Benghazi attack and Republican determination to cover up Watergate, Iran-Contra, Iraq-gate, Contra-cocaine trafficking, and the two October Surprise cases (sabotaging President Lyndon Johnson’s Vietnam peace talks in 1968 and subverting President Jimmy Carter’s Iran-hostage negotiations in 1980).


Lawyer Victoria Toensing.
In those cases and others, Republicans not only suppressed evidence but mounted counteroffensives against brave whistleblowers, diligent government investigators and conscientious journalists. The GOP and its right-wing media took pleasure in punishing anyone who dug up troublesome truths, even a conservative Republican such as Iran-Contra special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh.

The Republicans also showed little or no interest in delving into the facts surrounding terrorist incidents on George W. Bush’s watch, including his failure to protect the nation from the 9/11 attacks, or examining his war crimes, such as his deceptive case for invading Iraq and his approval of torture against “war on terror” detainees.

Granted, part of the blame for those short-circuited investigations must fall on the Democrats and the mainstream news media for lacking the courage and integrity to pursue investigations in the face of Republican obstructionism.

With only a few exceptions, Democrats have shied away from confrontations with Republicans, sometimes fretting that a full accounting might not be “good for the country.” Mainstream news executives, too, have shown a lack of stomach for going toe to toe with angry Republicans and their ferocious propagandists.

Thus, there has been a systematic crumbling of investigative will when the subject of a scandal is a Republican. But near-opposite rules apply when the subject is a Democrat. No matter how flimsy the evidence, Republicans and the Right demonstrate a boundless determination to build a mountain of scandal out of a molehill of suspicions.

The cumulative impact of this investigative imbalance has been that the narrative of modern American history has been wildly distorted. [See Robert Parry’s America’s Stolen Narrative.]

Nixon’s ‘Treason’

For instance, few people know that Nixon launched his extra-legal spying team in 1971 because he was frantically searching for a file that President Johnson had compiled on how Nixon’s campaign had sabotaged the Vietnam peace talks in 1968 to get an edge in that close election.

Privately, Johnson termed Nixon’s actions “treason,” but LBJ and his top aides agreed to stay silent out of concern that the story was so disturbing it might shake public faith in a prospective Nixon administration if disclosing the facts did not stop his election.

“Some elements of the story are so shocking in their nature that I’m wondering whether it would be good for the country to disclose the story and then possibly have a certain individual [Nixon] elected,” said Defense Secretary Clark Clifford in a conference call with Johnson on Nov. 4, 1968. “It could cast his whole administration under such doubt that I think it would be inimical to our country’s interests.”

However, staying silent also didn’t turn out to be very “good for the country.” After torpedoing Johnson’s peace deal, Nixon continued the Vietnam War for more than four years at the cost of some 20,000 more American dead, possibly a million more Vietnamese killed and the political discord that divided the U.S. population, turning parents against their own children.

Though not divulging Nixon’s dirty trick, LBJ did order his national security adviser Walt Rostow to remove the top-secret file containing the wiretap evidence of Nixon’s back-channel contacts urging South Vietnam to spurn the peace talks. Nixon later learned from FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover of the file’s existence, but Nixon’s top aides, H.R. “Bob” Haldeman and Henry Kissinger, could not locate it.

The missing file became a point of urgency for Nixon in June 1971 when the New York Times began publishing the Pentagon Papers, the secret history of the Vietnam War from 1945 to 1967, chronicling mostly Democratic lies that had ensnared the United States in Vietnam. However, Nixon knew something that few others did: there was a sequel that was arguably even more disgusting than the original.

That was the context for Nixon’s order to bring in ex-CIA officer E. Howard Hunt to organize a team of burglars. Their first target was to be the Brookings Institution where some of Nixon’s aides believed the missing file was hidden in the safe. Hunt’s team later spearheaded a series of spying operations that were exposed on June 17, 1972, when five burglars were caught inside the Democratic National Committee’s offices at the Watergate.

Over the next two years, the Watergate scandal led to Nixon’s political undoing, but the investigations remained focused on the cover-up, not the far-more-damning background of the foiled break-in.

With Rostow and other ex-LBJ aides still sitting on what they knew – and with Republicans circumscribing the scope of the investigation and with the news media enamored of its new favorite saying, “the cover-up is worse than the crime” – the Watergate inquiry never got around to explaining why Nixon started the burglary team in the first place, i.e. to conceal his blood-drenched “treason.”

Even four decades later, the conventional wisdom on Watergate – that it was a one-off case of Nixon’s political paranoia followed by a foolhardy cover-up – allows Republicans such as Sen. John McCain of Arizona to claim that the Benghazi case is worse than Watergate because no one died in Watergate. [For a fuller treatment of the real Watergate scandal and other Republican successes in frustrating investigations, see Robert Parry’s America’s Stolen Narrative.]

The Nothing Benghazi Scandal

But the absurdity of the Benghazi “scandal” is that – like the intensely investigated Whitewater “scandal” of the 1990s – this Republican obsession is a non-scandal.

Yes, four U.S. personnel died in what appears to have been a coordinated attack by an Islamic extremist group on a lightly guarded U.S. mission (which had become a base for CIA operations). And there are legitimate questions about levels of security for these quasi-diplomatic outposts.

However, the “scandal” part of the story has centered on an absurd notion: that the Obama administration conducted a cover-up because it didn’t want to admit that Islamic terrorists remained active after the killing of Osama bin Laden in May 2011.

The “proof” of this Benghazi cover-up has been that UN Ambassador Susan Rice went on Sunday talk shows and made comments derived from “talking points” that referred to the confusing circumstances of unrest preceding the Benghazi attack and blamed the lethal assault on “extremists,” not “terrorists” or an al-Qaeda affiliate.

What makes this “scandal” absurd is that President Barack Obama had already counted the Benghazi attack as among those “acts of terror” that, he said, would not shake America’s “resolve.” He did so in the Rose Garden the day after the assault.

Thus, the Republican conspiracy theory about Obama seeking to black-out the terrorism connection to Benghazi because he wanted voters to believe that he had defeated al-Qaeda makes no sense. Obama himself inserted the terror meme, as Mitt Romney learned during the second presidential debate when the Republican nominee famously blundered into a correction from CNN’s Candy Crowley.

A review of the various drafts of Rice’s “talking points” also reveals that the U.S. intelligence community believed, at the time, that the Benghazi attack was an outgrowth of similar protests raging across the Middle East against an American video that ridiculed the Prophet Muhammad. That impression of cause and effect also was common among major U.S. newspapers.

So, Rice appears to have been giving her rendition of the best available intelligence at the time. And she was doing so on TV talk shows, not in some official setting such as a congressional hearing or a legal proceeding.

In case no one has noticed, it is common practice on Sunday talk shows for political figures to spin the facts to benefit their favored positions. If the new standard for scandal is some misstatement on a TV talk show, there will be no end to such “scandals.”

Strange Testimony

The latest Benghazi hearing on Wednesday went off in a somewhat different direction, centering on the account of Gregory Hicks, the then-deputy chief of mission at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli who – on Sept. 11, 2012 – was some 400 miles away from the attack that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other U.S. personnel.

Hicks’s chief complaint was that military commanders from the Africa Command overruled the leader of a four-member Special Operations team who wanted to fly from Tripoli to Benghazi to join the fight against Ansar al-Sharia, the extremist group that was claiming credit for the attack.

In melodramatic – and self-serving – testimony, Hicks recounted how the disappointed team commander told him: “I have never been so embarrassed in my life that a State Department officer has bigger balls than somebody in the military.”

However, Hicks also testified that he was worried about the dangers of rushing reinforcements to Benghazi. Embassy workers had learned that “the ambassador was in a hospital controlled by Ansar al-Sharia, the group whose Twitter feed said it was leading the attack on the consulate,” Hicks said, adding that he also got several phone calls saying “you can come get the ambassador, we know where he is.”

That prompted his concern about “wading into a trap,” and he noted that Ansar al-Sharia also “was calling on an attack on our embassy in Tripoli.”

Pentagon officials offered a parallel explanation for the decision to hold back on rushing the four-member team to Benghazi, claiming the team could not have reached Benghazi in time to help and was needed for the protection of the Embassy in Tripoli.

Anyone who has been involved with – or has covered – chaotic events like a surprise terrorist attack would understand how difficult it is to make split-second decisions with limited or contradictory information. To second-guess commanders hesitant to risk more loss of life by hastily dispatching soldiers into a dangerous and confusing situation is the sort of thing that gives Monday-morning-quarterbacking a bad name.

The GOP Legal Team

There also should be some red flags over Hicks’s choice of legal counsel, the highly partisan Republican husband-and-wife team of Joseph diGenova and Victoria Toensing. The two have played roles in both covering up Republican scandals and in ginning up Democratic ones.

For instance, Toensing was a leading force in smearing former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame, who was an undercover CIA officer until George W. Bush’s administration exposed Plame’s CIA work as part of an effort to discredit Wilson for criticizing one of Bush’s false claims about Iraq’s WMD.

On Feb. 18, 2007, Toensing went so far as to pen a Washington Post Outlook article “indicting” Wilson and other Americans who tried to hold Bush’s aides accountable for destroying Plame’s career. Besides denouncing Wilson, Toensing disparaged Plame’s undercover work at the CIA by contending that Plame did not qualify for protection under a law protecting the identity of covert intelligence officers. Toensing wrote that “Plame was not covert. She worked at CIA headquarters and had not been stationed abroad within five years of the date” of her exposure.

Though it might not have been clear to a reader, Toensing was hanging her claim about Plame not being “covert” on a contention that Plame didn’t meet the coverage standards of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Toensing’s claim was legalistic at best since it obscured the larger point that Plame was working undercover in a classified CIA position and was running agents abroad whose safety would be put at risk by an unauthorized disclosure of Plame’s identity.

But Toensing, who promoted herself as an author of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, wasn’t even right about the legal details. The law doesn’t require that a CIA officer be “stationed” abroad in the preceding five years; it simply refers to an officer who “has served within the last five years outside the United States.”

That would cover someone who – while based in the United States – went abroad on official CIA business, as Plame testified under oath in a congressional hearing that she had done within the five-year period.

Toensing, who appeared as a Republican witness at the same congressional hearing on March 16, 2007, was asked about her bald assertion that “Plame was not covert.”

“Not under the law,” Toensing responded. “I’m giving you the legal interpretation under the law and I helped draft the law. The person is supposed to reside outside the United States.” But that’s not what the law says, either. It says “served” abroad, not “reside.”

When asked whether she had spoken to the CIA or Plame about Plame’s covert status, Toensing said, “I didn’t talk to Ms. Plame or the CIA. I can just tell you what’s required under the law. They can call anybody anything they want to do in the halls” of the CIA. In other words, Toensing had no idea about the facts of the matter; she didn’t know how often Plame might have traveled abroad in the five years before her exposure; Toensing didn’t even get the language of the statute correct.

At the Plame hearing, Toensing was reduced to looking like a quibbling kook who missed the forest of damage – done to U.S. national security, to Plame and possibly to the lives of foreign agents – for the trees of how a definition in a law was phrased, and then getting that wrong, too.

Protecting Bush Senior

DiGenova, who along with Toensing sat behind Hicks during his congressional testimony on Wednesday, also has performed as a legal hatchet-man for the Republicans. For instance, after the 1992 election, diGenova was chosen by a Republican-controlled judicial panel to head up an investigation into President George H.W. Bush’s attempt to disqualify his Democratic rival, Bill Clinton, by digging up dirt in Clinton’s passport file.

Though the evidence of Bush’s dirty trick was overwhelming – and Bush essentially admitted to ordering it – diGenova found every imaginable excuse to let the ex-President off the hook. DiGenova’s investigation cleared Bush and his administration of any wrongdoing, saying the probe “found no evidence that President Bush was involved in this matter.”

However, FBI documents that I reviewed at the National Archives presented a different picture. Speaking to diGenova and his investigators in fall 1993, former President Bush said he had encouraged then-White House chief of staff James Baker and other aides to investigate Clinton and to make sure the information got out.

“Although he [Bush] did not recall tasking Baker to research any particular matter, he may have asked why the campaign did not know more about Clinton’s demonstrating” against the Vietnam War while he was studying in England, said the FBI interview report, dated Oct. 23, 1993.

“The President [Bush] advised that … he probably would have said, ‘Hooray, somebody’s going to finally do something about this.’ If he had learned that the Washington Times was planning to publish an article, he would have said, ‘That’s good, it’s about time.’ …

“Based on his ‘depth of feeling’ on this issue, President Bush responded to a hypothetical question that he would have recommended getting the truth out if it were legal,” the FBI wrote in summarizing Bush’s statements. “The President added that he would not have been concerned over the legality of the issue but just the facts and what was in the files.”

Bush also said he understood how his impassioned comments about Clinton’s loyalty might have led some members of his staff to conclude that he had “a one-track mind” on the issue. He also expressed disappointment that the Clinton passport search uncovered so little. “The President described himself as being indignant over the fact that the campaign did not find out what Clinton was doing” as a student studying abroad, the FBI report said.

Bush’s comments seem to suggest that he had pushed his subordinates into a violation of Clinton’s privacy rights. But diGenova, who had worked for the Reagan-Bush Justice Department, already had signaled to Bush that the probe was going nowhere.

At the start of the Oct. 23, 1993, interview, which took place at Bush’s office in Houston, diGenova assured Bush that the investigation’s staff lawyers were “all seasoned prof[essional] prosecutors who know what a real crime looks like,” according to FBI notes of the meeting. “[This is] not a gen[eral] probe of pol[itics] in Amer[ica] or dirty tricks, etc., or a general license to rummage in people’s personal lives.”

As the interview ended, two of diGenova’s assistants – Lisa Rich and Laura Laughlin – asked Bush for autographs, according to the FBI’s notes on the meeting. Naturally, the ever-appeasing Democrats did nothing to challenge diGenova’s cover-up in defense of the well-liked ex-President. [For details, see Robert Parry’s Secrecy & Privilege.]

In other words, diGenova and Toensing are personifications of Official Washington’s double standards on investigations. When the target is a Democrat (or someone causing trouble for a Republican), the husband-and-wife legal team twists whatever facts are available into some terrible scandal. Yet, when a Republican has engaged in illicit activities, diGenova and Toensing find a way to spin those facts in the most innocent of ways.

The Benghazi “scandal” is just the latest example of how Democrats fall through the ice when a Republican would skate away.



Watergate Revenge: Republicans Yearning to Impeach Obama Over Benghazi ‘Cover-Up’


Posted on May 10, 2013
By Joe Conason

Less than four months after Barack Obama’s inauguration, the right-wing propaganda machine is already promoting the only imaginable conclusion to a Democratic administration that dares to achieve a second term: impeachment. Once confined to the ranks of the birthers, the fantasy of removing President Obama from office is starting to fester in supposedly saner minds.

Certainly impeachment is on the mind of Mike Huckabee, the Fox News commentator who—as a former governor of Arkansas and political antagonist of Bill Clinton—can be expected to know something about the subject. On Monday, he predicted that the president will be forced from office before the end of his term by the controversy over the Benghazi consulate attack last September. According to Huckabee, while the Watergate scandal was “bad,” Benghazi is worse because four Americans died there, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens.

The proximate cause for impeaching Obama, he suggested, is the “cover-up” of the facts concerning Benghazi. Moreover, he said, if the Democrats “try to protect the president and their party, and do so at the expense of the truth, they will go down.” When “the facts come out,” predicted Huckabee, “something will start” and ultimately the Democrats will lose “the right to govern.”

Presumably Huckabee believes impeachment would be easier than winning a national election. He isn’t alone in ruminating on the removal of a president who just won re-election last November—not on Fox News, anyway. (The ever-crafty Huck hedged by noting, however, that none of this will come to pass if Democrats win the midterm elections next year.)

Meanwhile, former U.N. ambassador John Bolton, whose cranky pronouncements continue to embarrass responsible conservatives, upped the ante by confiding what Huckabee left out—namely, that like every desperate Republican, he yearns for a Benghazi scandal that will stick. If there was no cover-up, Bolton insisted with characteristically twisted logic that would prove Obama (the president who dispatched Osama bin Laden) simply doesn’t understand the ongoing threat from al-Qaida. “If it was merely a political cover-up,” he noted with satisfaction, “then there can be a political cost to pay.”

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No doubt both Bolton and Huckabee—not to mention Rep. Darrell Issa, whose House Government Reform Committee maintains an ongoing Benghazi probe—plan to charge that cost not only to Obama but to a certain woman who now leads every 2016 presidential poll.
The meager substance of the “cover-up” canard was debunked months ago—and to date nothing has emerged to change those facts. (Indeed, even some of the most gullible denizens of Fox Nation have rejected the attempted frame-up lately.) Were the Republicans interested in constructive change rather than invented conspiracies, they might consult the Benghazi testimony of former general David Petraeus and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as the unvarnished report by former ambassador Thomas Pickering and Admiral Mike Mullen.

But defending American diplomats and promoting American prestige are both foreign to the Republican agenda, which is concerned with nothing more elevated than partisan power.

With his far-fetched comparison to Richard Nixon’s disgrace, Huckabee helpfully unveiled a flashing neon clue to GOP psychopathology. The desire for revenge over Watergate, a Republican obsession for decades, was the underlying motivation for the outlandish Whitewater investigations that targeted the Clintons almost 20 years ago. Now, as the Obama presidency continues, America’s political predicament increasingly resembles the worst moments of that era, when the furious derangement that grips the opposition began to emerge in full.

For years we have seen the same campaign to demonize the president, the same systematic obstruction, the same refusal to accept a democratic verdict—and now the same urge to invent high crimes and misdemeanors. The only difference is that the timetable for impeachment—which didn’t commence for Clinton until the end of 1997—appears to be accelerating.


In Benghazi, CIA Trusted Local Militia That Melted Away
by Eli Lake May 10, 2013 5:35 PM EDT
The agency seemed unaware prior to the attack of how unreliable or possibly compromised the February 17 militia actually was, reports Eli Lake.

CIA officers at the Benghazi mission’s annex had responsibility for vetting the Libyan militia that they counted on, but failed to arrive, as one of the first responders on the night of the 9-11 anniversary attacks last September, according to U.S. intelligence officers and U.S. diplomats who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the press.

Yet the CIA has managed to avoid much Congressional scrutiny as House Republicans turn attention to the dramatic testimony of two new State Department whistleblowers this week that testified before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

The CIA has been singled out for praise because of the heroic rescue performed by its security contractors at the Benghazi annex. On that evening, two former SEALs—Glenn Doherty and Tyrone Woods—helped lead a team that rescued all but two of the U.S. personnel at the Benghazi mission that evening. U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens and Sean Smith, a communications specialist, died of smoke inhalation after the attackers set the U.S. compound ablaze with cans of kerosene the raiding party found after breaching its gates. Doherty and Woods were killed at around 5:00 am the next morning by mortar fire.

While CIA operatives showed heroism during the rescue, the agency failed o properly vet beforehand the February 17 Martyr’s Brigade, a local militia comprised in part by Islamist fighters who had fought against Libyan dictator Muammar Gadhafi during the 2011 revolution. The State Department’s own Accountability Review Board (ARB) found most members of the brigade — one of the best armed militias in eastern Libya, with a membership in the low thousands — failed to show up on the evening of the attacks, despite agreeing to be the compound’s “quick reaction force,” intended to perform the role of the Libyan state in a city that lacked mature security institutions.

After the attack began, brigade members declined CIA security officers attempts to join them in mounting a rescue mission, according to the ARB — which also found that three Brigade members who were stationed that evening at the compound failed to provide advanced warning that a mob of attackers with bad intentions was approaching the embassy that night, leaving the five U.S. diplomatic security officers at the compound little time to prepare a defense.

The CIA’s failure to properly vet the February 17 Martyr’s Brigade has not been disclosed by the ARB or an interim report by House Republicans released last month.

“The Benghazi compound was a U.S. intelligence station with State Department cover.”
A U.S. official familiar with the Libya security situation told the Daily Beast, “The host country is responsible for perimeter security, but no one can provide guarantees. No matter how strong a relationship you develop or how many precautions you take, you can’t make an inherently unstable environment completely safe.” The official added, “That night some Libyan militia members bravely and immediately answered the call for help, some didn’t, and others took time to coordinate their eventual support to the evacuation.”

The role of the CIA in the security failure before the Benghazi attack also sheds light on the inter-agency squabble over the talking points drafted by the CIA, but edited by the White House for senior U.S. officials about Benghazi. Those talking points said first reports suggested the attack stemmed from a protest in front of the U.S. facility in Benghazi against an anti-Muslim YouTube video. The CIA initially drafted the talking points, but the State Department objected to some references to prior CIA warnings of terror activity in Benghazi and al Qaeda’s presence in Libya’s second city because of the CIA’s own role in providing security for the Benghazi mission.

The CIA’s role in the Benghazi facility’s security was part of an arrangement with the State Department, according to a November 1 Wall Street Journal story that first disclosed several details about the true nature of the U.S. mission in Benghazi. That piece also said 23 of the 30 people evacuated from the Benghazi compound on the evening of the attack were CIA officers using State Department cover. Other U.S. officials confirmed this to the Daily Beast. “The Benghazi compound was a U.S. intelligence station with State Department cover,” one U.S. official said.

To be sure, the State Department has had similar arrangements with the CIA in other dangerous posts. The State Department did have three full time Diplomatic Security officers stationed at the mission in Benghazi and another two officers at the compound who arrived with Stevens for the visit. The State Department was also in charge of the contract for local, unarmed security guards hired through Blue Mountain Libya, who were also faulted in the ARB for failing to provide warning of the attacks on the anniversary of 9-11 in Benghazi.

But the February 17 Martyr’s Brigade was the weakest link in the security chain on the evening of the attacks. The ARB —which only makes vague mentions of the CIA’s role at the U.S. mission at Benghazi---said it was a mistake to rely on the militia despite the fact that it had performed well in June 2012 after a bomb was placed at the special mission.

“At the time of Ambassador Stevens’ visit, February 17 militia members had stopped accompanying Special Mission vehicle movements in protest over salary and working hours,” the report said.

A spokesman for the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee did not respond to a request for comment on why the CIA’s role in the security failures has not been a target for the committee.

One explanation for the attention paid to the State Department could be the fact that Gen. David Petraeus—who headed the CIA at the time—is not expected to be a candidate for the presidency in 2016. Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state, is widely expected to be running for the office as she did in 2008.

Frank Wolf, a Republican from Virginia, who has called on House Speaker John Boehner to form a special select committee to investigate Benghazi, says he is flummoxed as to why the CIA’s role has not been examined more closely. “I think it’s a legitimate question,” he said. “It was a CIA annex and they were involved in the talking points. What were they doing there?”

Wolf has gotten more than half of the House Republican caucus to sign a letter supporting his call for the special select committee on Benghazi. He said retired CIA officers have quietly asked him to meet with whistleblowers inside the CIA.

“My sense is they want to talk about what happened,” Wolf said. “The reason they have approached me is that I have been pushing the idea of a select committee since December. They know I am interested.”
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby FourthBase » Fri May 10, 2013 10:34 pm

Lots of great points about Republican hypocrisy. Of course, they're fucking frauds!
(Well, almost all of them, I'm willing to accept that a handful are not total frauds.)
Not many good points that refute the idea that Benghazi is serious foul play.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby Jerky » Sat May 11, 2013 2:34 am

And I haven't seen anybody bring up any points that SUPPORT the idea that Benghazi was "serious foul play." Just a lot of fascist hot wind.

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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby 8bitagent » Sat May 11, 2013 2:45 am

Basic rule of thumb: Even if it's a tempting apple to sample, any conspiracy or coverup charges by the right wing are full of hot air.
Even if it's tempting to a left leaning para-political watcher.

Didn't the lurid claims about Obama and the Fast and Furious gun scandal turn out to be a lot of spurious facts and misinformation?

Yeah, there has been a few right wing talking points I thought had some validity. Able Danger, TWA 800. But for the most part most of it is pure shit(birth certificate authenticity anyone?)
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby Jerky » Sat May 11, 2013 2:57 am

Exactly. I mean, I remember the Clinton years ALL TOO WELL.

8bitagent wrote:Basic rule of thumb: Even if it's a tempting apple to sample, any conspiracy or coverup charges by the right wing are full of hot air.
Even if it's tempting to a left leaning para-political watcher.

Didn't the lurid claims about Obama and the Fast and Furious gun scandal turn out to be a lot of spurious facts and misinformation?

Yeah, there has been a few right wing talking points I thought had some validity. Able Danger, TWA 800. But for the most part most of it is pure shit(birth certificate authenticity anyone?)
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat May 11, 2013 6:25 am

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/10/in-benghazi-cia-trusted-local-militia-that-melted-away.html

But the February 17 Martyr’s Brigade was the weakest link in the security chain on the evening of the attacks. The ARB —which only makes vague mentions of the CIA’s role at the U.S. mission at Benghazi---said it was a mistake to rely on the militia despite the fact that it had performed well in June 2012 after a bomb was placed at the special mission.

“At the time of Ambassador Stevens’ visit, February 17 militia members had stopped accompanying Special Mission vehicle movements in protest over salary and working hours,” the report said.

A spokesman for the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee did not respond to a request for comment on why the CIA’s role in the security failures has not been a target for the committee.

One explanation for the attention paid to the State Department could be the fact that Gen. David Petraeus—who headed the CIA at the time—is not expected to be a candidate for the presidency in 2016. Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state, is widely expected to be running for the office as she did in 2008.

Frank Wolf, a Republican from Virginia, who has called on House Speaker John Boehner to form a special select committee to investigate Benghazi, says he is flummoxed as to why the CIA’s role has not been examined more closely. “I think it’s a legitimate question,” he said. “It was a CIA annex and they were involved in the talking points. What were they doing there?”

Wolf has gotten more than half of the House Republican caucus to sign a letter supporting his call for the special select committee on Benghazi. He said retired CIA officers have quietly asked him to meet with whistleblowers inside the CIA.

“My sense is they want to talk about what happened,” Wolf said. “The reason they have approached me is that I have been pushing the idea of a select committee since December. They know I am interested.”
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby FourthBase » Sat May 11, 2013 12:17 pm

justdrew wrote:
Malcolm Shabazz, the once-troubled grandson of Malcolm X, was killed in Mexico this week. While a statement was first issued via Twitter and Facebook by Shabazz family friend and public relations professional (for whom Shabazz once worked) Terrie Williams, Talking Points Memo’s Hunter Walker confirmed it separately with Shabazz’s friend Juan Ruiz of RUMEC San Jose.

Ruiz told TPM, “He was murdered. He was in Mexico City and I believe they attempted to rob him and he didn’t allow it, so they beat him to death and he died on his way to the hospital.”

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Shabazz, who was reportedly attending John Jay College in New York, had been politically active in recent years, albeit in fringe causes like 9/11 trutherism. He said in a statement in March that his visits to Syria to study between 2008 and 2010 and to Libya with former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) in 2011 had aroused the suspicions of authorities and additionally documented a pattern of what he termed police harassment in Middletown, NY, where he had been a resident most of his adult life.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/10/malcom-xs-grandson-malcolm-shabazz-killed-in-an-apparent-robbery-attempt-in-mexico/





oh hey 8bit, look where I found that story, that liberal gatekeeper site :wink: You see that anywhere else? :P


The death itself?

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... exico?lite

Personal question must know, right away:
Did Shabazz take any literature classes at John Jay?

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Postby JackRiddler » Sat May 11, 2013 1:30 pm

Hold up all business to talk about Whitewater and search for crimes by Clinton's penis, finally hit the jackpot (Monica). Now with post-9/11 anti-Islamic terra terra terra twist.
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Postby DrEvil » Sat May 11, 2013 3:13 pm

Someone needs to buy Cheney an iPad2.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/05/ ... op-hearts/
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby Julian the Apostate » Sat May 11, 2013 3:46 pm

The admin should have just told the truth about the situation from the beginning. Granted the Repubs would have jumped all over them for it anyway, but they could have explained that mistakes were made, and that it was impossible to save the ambassador and the others who died. The real problem for them, as I see it, is not what occurred, but that they lied about it, making up that story about the video and changing the talking points. They should have just come clean at the beginning, and I think the american people would have supported the administration. As such, they made it much worse, and I can't really sympathize with them getting hammered over it.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby 8bitagent » Sat May 11, 2013 3:55 pm

justdrew wrote:


oh hey 8bit, look where I found that story, that liberal gatekeeper site :wink: You see that anywhere else? :P


Whattt??? Rawstory is far from a gatekeeper site. Shit, they were one of the only few respectable left leaning sites not ashamed to vigorously cover 9/11 and other taboo topics.

Also, I can never get enough Cynthia Mckinney.
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Postby slimmouse » Sat May 11, 2013 4:01 pm

Julian the Apostate wrote:The admin should have just told the truth about the situation from the beginning. Granted the Repubs would have jumped all over them for it anyway, but they could have explained that mistakes were made, and that it was impossible to save the ambassador and the others who died. The real problem for them, as I see it, is not what occurred, but that they lied about it, making up that story about the video and changing the talking points. They should have just come clean at the beginning, and I think the american people would have supported the administration. As such, they made it much worse, and I can't really sympathize with them getting hammered over it.


Surely it becomes important at some point to understand the stupidity of all of this discussion, given that the Benghazi incident can be almost directly attributed to the fiscal support and consent of people from within the US administration on all sides of the house , as if that body were a matter of relevance to anyone other than the select few,

Thats what I call blowback. And its something that the neither the average US citizen or the rest of humanity really wants.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby justdrew » Sat May 11, 2013 4:18 pm

8bitagent wrote:
justdrew wrote:


oh hey 8bit, look where I found that story, that liberal gatekeeper site :wink: You see that anywhere else? :P


Whattt??? Rawstory is far from a gatekeeper site. Shit, they were one of the only few respectable left leaning sites not ashamed to vigorously cover 9/11 and other taboo topics.

Also, I can never get enough Cynthia Mckinney.


sry, I just looked in the lounge, I mean to poke operator kos, not you :P

but it's entirely within the realm of possibility he and McKinny (and/or whoever else went with them) observed some things of interest while they were in Libya.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby Simulist » Sat May 11, 2013 4:45 pm

Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Sure. For a long time there, Republicans got a little addicted to winning.*

And, like any addict, they eventually needed a fix. (Really, really bad about now, as it turns out.)

Benghazi is the Republican Party, digging through the trash for empties, hoping desperately that something's there.


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