How Absurd: 8 Crazy Reactions, Ridiculous Conclusions, and

[Canadian_watcher]

Am I incorrect in my interpretation? Please correct me if I am.

Yes. But it's my fault. I wasn't clear.

I think that he sees them as crisis actors because he's making the same mistake that enabled soldiers in Abu-Ghraib to take wacky photos of themselves torturing prisoners. So I'm not sure there's even one degree of separation there.

I'm still missing it - what is the common mistake?

I don't see how the prospective ease with which tyrants will be able to shut down debate in the future could possibly be very greatly affected one way or the other by my arguing that innocent people should not be hurt now, then or ever.

I'm sorry if I led you to believe that I was saying that you shouldn't argue against innocent people being hurt. I did not mean that in any way. You believe that the people in the photos are all bona fide victims of a terrorist (or other) attack, and so when people question the photos you think they are hurting innocent people. And I suppose that's true.

What I'd like to know, though (and this is important) is how can we question such things, then? Do you allow for the possibility that the government or some agency would ever use actors in these situations?

Incidentally, that tyrant thing is exactly what Zimbardo hypothesizes leads to situational evil -- ie, it's enabled by that kind of alteration to the power dynamic

I do not follow.

The quote from the article, above, can be applied another way, though. It can be applied to the people trying to shame others into not looking into hard to look in to areas - ie the use of actors and props and other propagandistic tools at the scenes of world events.

And that is too. Even more so.

I'm not trying to shame you. I don't see a cause for shame. I sincerely believe you're making a mistake.

don't know what you mean by the first part. As to the rest, I'd like to tell you that you are shaming me and others - most obviously Dave McGowan. By failing to address the substance of his writing and choosing instead to associate him verbally and visually with horrors that have happened in the past you shame not only McGowan, the writer, but also the people who speak up in even glancing support of it. You also prevent anyone else from speaking up in support. (If they are more shy than some of us here, that is)

Also, the Kabbalah thing was an entirely different point.

And there was nothing sly about it. I was wrong to say there was a causal association. But it was an honest mistake. That might be to my discredit. Bu it didn't discredit the basic argument -- ie, that the crisis-actor pitch is very similar to the introductory pitches made by cults -- at all.

A lot of things sound like pitches made by cults. AA comes to mind. Cancer support groups. Every non-cult church on earth. . It's all about making people feel okay enough about their deep hidden questions and curiosities, making them understand that there's a community for them so that they don't feel isolated and alone. I think that's better than the alternative.

Quit slinging mud at me, please.[/quote]

[Canadian_watcher]

What stuff?

obviously he's running off to set up the holographic projectors so that people will see a plane flying into the other building instead of the missle that actually...

oh wait. sorry. wrong thread.

nice to see you enjoy a little gang bang, Op Ed.

[OP ED]

when in Rome.

[Canadian_watcher]

SERIOUS QUESTION:

should any of you have the parts to answer:

Ready? here it is:

Let's say that the government sunk so low as to stage an event and employ people to play victims. Or maybe blackmail them into it, or let them out of jail early for it or whatever.

How would we ever know?

[Canadian_watcher]

when in Rome.

stay classy.

[barracuda]

Let's say that the government sunk so low as to stage an event and employ people to play victims. Or maybe blackmail them into it, or let them out of jail early for it or whatever.

How would we ever know?

There might be actual evidence rather than made up nonsense. Imagine that.

the parts

They are currently hanging.

[Wombaticus Rex]

How would we ever know?

That's the ideal end goal of most psyops, FWIW. That precise question.

[Canadian_watcher]

and also, where's all the blood? it's an honest question. The three in the pile with Jeff ought to be covered in blood - his legs are already gone, so the blood ought to be everywhere.

You mean this blood?



Is that enough blood for you?

How about this shot of an Iraqui child:



Where's all the blood? Fake?

I think the person who gets up and runs out of the scene does so because they are meant to distract from the other stuff that's happening.

What stuff?

the blood in the original picture that I was actually asking about. Distraction, misdirection. Start a thread about something other than bicycles or girls and maybe I can take you as being a genuine concerned citizen rather than someone who just likes to derail the threads of others.

[Canadian_watcher]

i'm not getting into any fake victim accusations but i gotta ask, what is the guy in the grey hoodie doing to jeff b's leg in the attached pic?

His name is Christian Williams, not "guy in the grey hoodie". Let's try not to further depersonalize these people, if possible.

Interview with Jeff Bauman.

Yes, that's right. and he owns a media effects company.

here it is

http://www.christianwilliams.us/About-Me

[Wombaticus Rex]

This thread hasn't been derailed at all, it's just become a performance art re-enactment of the title.

[Iamwhomiam]

C_w, what seems to you and others endorsing the crisis actor theme to be an insufficient blood loss was well explained by Burnt Hill. I believe I also mentioned that sometimes with the more severe the injury there is not the blood loss one would expect due to the body's innate ability to attempt to preserve life.

It's easy to demonize victims if you think they are frauds, amputee crisis actors working to rob you of your liberties. Why do you think the military training recruits are taught that their 'enemy' is less than human and deserving of death? You can't feel compassionate and be an effective killer.

[Canadian_watcher]

This thread hasn't been derailed at all, it's just become a performance art re-enactment of the title.

you haven't given him enough time.

[barracuda]

the blood in the original picture that I was actually asking about. Distraction, misdirection.

Pretty obviously, the blood was underneath Christian Williams. That's why you can't see it from the angle of the other photo. Do I really have to hand hold you through stuff like this?

Start a thread about something other than bicycles or girls and maybe I can take you as being a genuine concerned citizen rather than someone who just likes to derail the threads of others.

Like I give a shit how someone like you "takes" me, lover girl.

[OP ED]

when in Rome.

stay classy.

hey at least i didn't write an article detailing ridiculous nonsense about how the victims of a massacre were actually the perpetrators.

[Canadian_watcher]

C_w, what seems to you and others endorsing the crisis actor theme to be an insufficient blood loss was well explained by Burnt Hill. I believe I also mentioned that sometimes with the more severe the injury there is not the blood loss one would expect due to the body's innate ability to attempt to preserve life.

I disagree. femoral arteries completely severed. ain't much the body can do about that. it's outstanding that he's conscious also.

It's easy to demonize victims ...

I object. How does this make him a demon? If he's for real he's for real. If he's fake then he's got some answering to do.

if you think they are frauds, amputee crisis actors working to rob you of your liberties. Why do you think the military training recruits are taught that their 'enemy' is less than human and deserving of death? You can't feel compassionate and be an effective killer.

I do not want to kill anyone, I just want the truth. Care to take a stab at answering the question I asked of the whole board? I think it's important and maybe I could learn something. (if you didn't see it, it's HUGE and a handful of posts back.)